Hi Paul, Thank you for your thoughts about Harold George Wheeler. I have found an Army Medal card for Harol G Wheeler but it only gives his name , rank and number so not much help there either and I have not found any enlistment papers either so they may have been in the ones that were destroyed. Thank you once again Regards Liz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Wheeler Boys Hi Liz >I guess it is back to the drawing board for Harold In which case I think it'll is back to the drawing board for both the Medals and for the Service record for Harold George Wheeler, i.e. the Service Number of J19936 for the person you found who received the medals was the same for the person whose service details I found, which was why I was certain that he was your man, the letter J indicating that he had served either as a Seaman or Signalman in the Royal Navy, but if the birth date and place of birth are wrong for this record then I think it suggests you will need to search again for both medal and service records. When enlisting he may have had to join the Army, since by the time the war started the RN, according to many applicants, often appears to have enough men, but the Army never had enough men, even after conscription was introduced, unfortunately however, many of the Army records were destroyed in a bombing raid in 1940, so a service record may not have survived and the medal record may be all that you will find ? Should you wish to search further following that line, then I believe that the Army records are held by ancestry.co.uk. ; see the following web page for the National Archives help guide for Army personnel : <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/looking-for-person/britisharmysoldierafter1913.htm> which includes a link to the Ancestry site. Regards Paul On Fri, 1 Nov 2013 07:28:01 +1100, "liz and john" <[email protected]> wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Thank you very much for the information > >I looked at The National Archives site you sent and I am pretty sure that >Archibald is mine . > > I don't think that Harold is.I have Harold being born in Colchester Dec q >1894 whereas the Harold on the Archives site has a birth date of 11th >March >1896.The medal details I found had no birth date or place.so I was hoping >that it was my Harold. > >As their father was in the Navy I thought that it was possible that both >his >sons had also persued that career. >I guess it is back to the drawing board for Harold > >Thanks once again for you great help > >Liz Maxwell >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul Benyon" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 3:30 AM >Subject: Re: [MAR] Wheeler Boys > > >Liz > >His location is described as being "Overseas Royal Navy," I would >therefore suggest that Misc. Locations is where most of the non-UK >census forms were filed, ie those for personnel entitled to be >included in the census, but are serving abroad, all the UK census >forms either being filed with each county or perhaps island etc. > >Paul > >On Thu, 31 Oct 2013 19:00:15 +1100, "liz and john" ><[email protected]> wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>After the that I recieved from this list about Archer Wheeler. I am hoping >>that someone can help me with his 2 sons. >> >>Archibald John Wheeler was born 1890 Medway Kent >>On the 1911 census I found Archibald J Wheeler age 20 born Gillingham, >>Kent >>on the List of Officers,Crew and Royal Marineson Board at midnight on >>Sunday ,April 2nd 1911 Misc. Locations >>I also found on the UK,Naval Medal and Awards Roll >> Name Archibald J Wheeler. >> Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal >> Service Year 1914-1920 >> Service Location Europe >> Campaigne or >> Service World War 1 >> Service No. 234599 >> >> >> >>Harold George Wheeler was born Colchester Essex >>On the 1911 census he age 16 and is living at home with his mother Lucy >>and >>sister Daisy >>I found a UK, Naval Medal and Awards Roll >> Name Harold G Wheeler >> Medal or Award Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal >> Service Year 1914-1920 >> Service Location Europe >> Campaigne or >> Service Worl War 1 >> Service No. J19936 >> >> >>I Have tried looking on The National Archives site for service records but >>was unable to find them. I am hoping that someone can point me in the >>right >>direction to "prove' that these are my Archibald and Harold. Also what >>does >>Misc. 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