Thanks Paul for all this interesting information and I will scout again for the two ships in the early 1800's Albie -----Original Message----- From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 3:28 PM To: Albie Cc: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Private Ship- of- war taken another as prize 1807 Hi Albie, Don't know about Loyds registers, but would have thought it highly likely, perhaps someone else can help, but do note that the Lion is mentioned quite a bit on Loyds Lists at : http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-list.html which are perhaps the origin of the newspaper articles we discussed briefly ? With some exceptions, such as former French naval or RN vessels, I think that most dedicated Privateers were generally little more than commercial vessels, but with a heavier armament, larger crew, in addition to ship handling, manning the guns, some would be needed to take the prizes back to the home port, and the vessel would probably have had appropriate scantling (ie the width and thickness of a timbers) increased to cope with the stresses and strains caused by her own guns, plus against incoming shot, and somewhere to keep detained crews? Apart from that privateers were often little more than merchant vessels with a Letter of Marque, otherwise their activities could be condemned for piracy. Paul On Mon, 4 May 2015 15:50:18 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Thank you very much for your kind reply. >I could not get any positive results either but also had a look in the >British Newspaper Archives and after abandoning the search for the >Fadrenclandet I tried the Lion and I cannot believe that this ship was >such an operator and how did they remain victorious for such a long >time! Excuse my ignorance but would such privateers be registered so >that one can get a little more information from the Loyds registers? > >Regards, >Albie > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] >Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 1:39 AM >To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MAR] Private Ship- of- war taken another as prize 1807 > > >Hi Albie, > >Not sure if you are interested in exploring the capture of the >Fadrenclandet, but can confirm that the privateer Lion appears to have >been a busy "bee," bringing quite a few vessels heading to and >departing from north European ports, back to her home port of Plymouth, >according to the Ship News in The Times newspaper. Had a quick look >through 1806-7 for items which had been satisfactorily indexed, but >couldn't find her bringing in the Fadrenclandet, nor any mention in the >on-line London Gazette, where details of prize money etc. are detailed, >but the quality of print in those days, at times, hardly lends itself >to being OCR'd for indexing purposes, or for reading by the mark I >eyeball, for that matter ;-), and a name like the Fadrenclandet must >lend itself to various phonetic spellings, although, by the look of it your spelling is correct per Danish literature. > >But if you have access to The Times and time to spare you might find it >a useful exercise, although you may need to be inventive to find a >mention in the London Gazette : > >https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices > >Regards > >Paul > > > >On Sun, 3 May 2015 10:02:10 +0200, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> >wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old >>family ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" >> >>2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? >>Ex "Fadrenclandet" >>2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior >>to hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. >>14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth >>(1808/45) Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson >(Butcher) N-Shields >> 16-7-1845 Collided >> >> >>Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I >>can >>find: >>1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I >>tried other spelling of the Danish ship also 2. What happens to the >>O/N as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records afterwards? >>3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a >>ship wreck incident? >> >>Regards, >>Albie >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html