Hello Everyone Can anyone advise me where I might find records of the following vessels? HMS Hazard 1745 HMS Royal Charlotte 1765 & 1800 These vessels, I believe, operated under the Excise department and were likely stationed at Leith. Any advise or directions would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Gordon

Hi Gordon, I can't confirm that it is the same Royal Charlotte but in 1802 a vessel of that name was serving as the Royal Yacht of King George 111 and between about June and September of that year was acting as the floating holiday home to the King in Weymouth Bay, protected by a squadron of Royal Navy guard ships including the 3rd. rate HMS Fortunee which fired a 21-gun salute each time the King boarded or disembarked, sometimes twice daily. The source for this is Master's Log HMS Fortunee ADM 52/3030. Regards, Nigel -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Troup Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:56 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] BRITISH EXCISE YACHTS 1745, 1765 & 1800 Hello Everyone Can anyone advise me where I might find records of the following vessels? HMS Hazard 1745 HMS Royal Charlotte 1765 & 1800 These vessels, I believe, operated under the Excise department and were likely stationed at Leith. Any advise or directions would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Gordon

Hi All, Can anyone help me with some biographical information on captain Sadler master of "Fanny" one of the 1820 settler ships that came to South Africa? His son Thomas Farrar Sadler came with him and stayed in South Africa. Kind regards, Albie Gibson, South Africa

Hi Gordon Firstly I'm no expert on what you are looking for, but will attempt to communicate what I've discovered along the way, whilst researching RN vessels i.e. there appears to be mention below of one of those you're looking for. If you are looking for information on Excise / Revenue / Preventive Service vessels then you should probably be looking for cutters, which were usually the preferred vessels, but they can vary quite considerably in size, form about 30-40 tons up to about 250+ tons bm (builders measurement ie the way that ships were measured in those days, compared with the later displacement etc.) Since you mention Leith, I should perhaps advise that in those days the Scottish Revenue services etc., were entirely separate from the English, Welsh and Irish Revenue vessels, probably because of Scotland's often separate legislation, and one occasionally discovers that Scotland and England both have vessels with the same names. >From research of Scottish Revenue vessels I did recently, I think I came to the conclusion that you best avenue of research is the National Archives of Scotland : http://www.nas.gov.uk and I seem to remember that we discovered that "revenue cutters" gave us a starting point when it came to making a search of their material. You may need to change the criteria, I've not looked to see what happened if I put the vessel's names in the search box. I wouldn't include "HMS" since it isn't really relevant ; try using the name + the relevant "customs" or "revenue" department. Regarding finding out about these vessels regret that since they aren't RN vessels I'm not really au fait with them, but am aware that some of these vessels were listed in WWM/P/7/26 - Steel's original and correct list of the Royal Navy, hired armed vessels, gun-boats etc., packets, excise and revenue cutters etc., with their commanders and stations...., this copy for 1801 being available at the Sheffield City Archives. I've got some Excise/Revenue etc vessels listed in my database of RN vessels from about 1793-1920, and have included Revenue vessels etc. when I've come across them, but since I don't know when they entered service or were broken up, I know that some references refer to more than one vessel : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/Index.html occasionally some of these vessels were attached to the RN during the Napoleonic wars, such as during the incursion into Holland circa 1809, and also had fights with French privateers and in some cases managed to detain them, or were captured themselves. I have a mention of one Scottish Royal Charlotte: http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/R/04011.html Royal Charlotte, <-1799-> Type: Excise Cutter, Scotland ; Armament 18 Notes: 1 Jan 1799 skipper = Charles Elder, 227 tons ; 60 men ; station : St Abb's Head to Caithness. Some of these vessels would appear to have remained in service for many years, whilst regular usage meant that some required earlier replacement. So that you can perhaps separate RN vessels from the Revenue vessels etc. there was an RN sloop named the HAZARD from 1749-1783, of 149 tons bm. There was a Royal Charlotte, 14 guns, transport, late French Privateer, captured 1780 and sold 1783. Under the heading of Royal or Dockyard Yachts the Royal Charlotte, 10 guns, late Royal Caroline, was renamed 1761, 232 tons bm, which was broken up 1820. I understand that Queen Charlotte was considered to be a favourite in the country and that one often finds references to her. Her husband, King George, came down to Weymouth to stay on a regular basis, and set in motion the craze for spending time at the sea side and I gather that he lived in a large house on the sea front that was eventually to become the Gloucester Hotel, but has now been converted into flats. There was a fairly large garrison of German troops maintained ashore when he was here. And as previously mentioned, when he was in town, the RN maintain a presence here and provided water transport, if needed. Whilst in Weymouth, he often used to come across here, to the Island of Portland, to spend time with the locals and eat and drink in some of the local pubs..... but since Portland is a Royal Manor, he owned the Island anyway, and used to take a cut of the money made by selling Portland Stone ;-) It isn't an Island, but that was all George saw and so he determined that it must be an Island. Apologies for all the waffle..... Hope this helps a little, Regards Paul On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 01:56:21 -0600, Gordon Troup via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hello Everyone >Can anyone advise me where I might find records of the following vessels? >HMS Hazard 1745 >HMS Royal Charlotte 1765 & 1800 >These vessels, I believe, operated under the Excise department and were likely stationed at Leith. >Any advise or directions would be greatly appreciated. >Kind regards >Gordon > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html