Hi everyone, I watched a program last week on channel five in the UK which dealt with a retired detective inspector from the Metropolitan Police called Trevor Marriott who was re examining the case of Jack The Ripper who terrorized the UK in 1888, I hope everyone doesn't mind me mentioning this in the group as I hope you will agree that it is interesting and I think it is a plausible theory and I thought of the excellent knowledgeable people who help so many of use and that they may be able to solve the mystery which was put forward at the end of the program. The conclusion of the case which the retired police officer came up with was a new theory based on a German merchant seaman called Carl Feignbaum, who sailed on a ship of the Nor Deutsche Lloyd line called the Reiher. He was able to prove through the excellent German records that the ship had docked in St Kathrine's dock London, which is approximately twelve minutes walk from White chapel where the murders took place on the dates in question. But the actual records for the ships crew were missing, so although he could say the ship was there he was unable to confirm that Carl Feignbaum was part of the crew. "Marriott thought that Feignbaum's attorney had known this and removed the records"? This is the question which needs solving and I wonder if anyone would be able to confirm that Carl Feignbaum was indeed part of the crew on the dates in question from 31 August-09 November 1888. Some further information, Feignbaum, ended up in New York in the 1890s where he committed two further murders of similar MO to the White-chapel murders but he was caught carrying out the second murder and tried and convicted and eventually executed by electric chair in Sing Sing Prison. Best Regards, Alan. On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:00 AM, <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Records of soldiers and families in transit to and from > (JOHN GOSLING) > 2. Movements smaller English Mechant ships (Albie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2015 10:31:52 +0000 > From: JOHN GOSLING <jd.gosling@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Records of soldiers and families in transit to and > from > To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1425205912.46383.YahooMailNeo@web87906.mail.ir2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Hi > > Sorry for the mad moment that caused me to put my previous reply into the > subject line. > > No idea how that happened, user error pure and simple. > > Regards > > John > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2015 08:37:40 +0200 > From: "Albie" <albie@astonbay.co.za> > Subject: [MAR] Movements smaller English Mechant ships > To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001701d054b3$62a64f50$27f2edf0$@co.za> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, > > > > Some real novice questions: > I see there are 2 numbers that relates to a ship, for instance, 3134 "The > Mountain Maid" and O/N 1246 what are their respective meanings? > > Is there a way, except newspaper notices, to get more information and > movements of smaller English merchant ships (300-500)tons that worked the > Baltic, Mediterranean and Black see, East Indies and Quebec? > > Thanks, > > Albie Gibson > > South Africa > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to > MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 40 > **************************************** > -- Alan Turnbull, Minstlm Telephone: 01388 459 188 Mobile: 07809 839 758 uk.linkedin.com/pub/alan-turnbull-MinstLM/49/292/532 <http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/alan-turnbull-minstlm/49/292/532>

Alan Turnbull wrote: I watched a program last week on channel five in the UK which dealt with a retired detective inspector from the Metropolitan Police called Trevor Marriott who was re examining the case of Jack The Ripper who terrorized the UK in 1888 <<<<<<<<snip> The conclusion of the case which the retired police officer came up with was a new theory based on a German merchant seaman called Carl Feignbaum, who sailed on a ship of the Nor Deutsche Lloyd line called the Reiher. He was able to prove through the excellent German records that the ship had docked in St Kathrine's dock London, which is approximately twelve minutes walk from White chapel where the murders took place on the dates in question. But the actual records for the ships crew were missing, so although he could say the ship was there he was unable to confirm that Carl Feignbaum was part of the crew. "Marriott thought that Feignbaum's attorney had known this and removed the records"? >>>>>><snip> >>>>>>>>>> The programme, at least to UK viewers, is available for another three weeks at http://www.channel5.com/shows/jack-the-ripper-new-suspect-revealed/episodes/jack-the-ripper-killer-revealed-2 Looks like the same thing as National Georgraphic's "Jack The Ripper: The German Suspect." http://natgeotv.com/uk/jack-the-ripper-the-german-suspect A classic case of trying to fit the evidence to support a suspect - and failing. (Which doesn't mean that he didn't do it.) And it's not new - Marriott's theory was published a whole decade ago - and in any case the suggestion of Feigenbaum's complicity has been in print for at least 119 years! http://policegazette.us/FromTheMorgue_5-16-1896_Feigenbaum.html The identification of the REIHER was from examination of shipping records in London (though I think that he says in the programme that it was present in St Katharines for "all but one" of the key dates (ie only three out of four), and he didn't mention whether another NDL ship was present then. The Bremen archives, though are indeed very fine, but in reality all they did was confirm that Feigenbaum was employed by Norddeutscher Lloyd, on a veriety of ships. I was struck, though, that crew lists for the REIHER appear to have been removed from the bound volumes for the period in question (that is, if they were originally there). The suggestion that Feigenbaum's lawyer, William Sanfor Lawton, managed to get hold of these - they were presumably at that time still in the hands of the NDL company itself - strikes me as far-fetched; and lacking in credible motive. More likely removed by an earlier investigator following up the press stories of the 1890s. David