On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com > wrote: > <snip>Also Edward Byrne is listed in the 1867 Mercantile Navy List as > owner of the 165 ton, 60 HP vessel ELFIN of Hong Kong, Official Number > 42955. > (The Official Number was a permanent and unique identifier of a vessel. It > remained the same no matter how many times the vessel changed owner, > changed name or changed Port of Registry.) > When you plug that O.N. in at the CLIP website I gave you in the previous > post, you'll see that she was built in Canada. > >>>>>>>>>>> > Intriguing snippets to be found on ELFIN. Built Prince Edward Island and registered there 6 Nov 1862 as 174nrt sailing vessel (ON 42955) 14/7/1865 registry cancelled as "sold foreign" 1865 re-registered at Hong Kong as a steamship of 165nrt and 60nhp in ownership of Edward Byrne, Shanghai by 1868/1869 British registry cancelled (not in Mercantile Navy List 1870). Also found that she was already a steamer by late 1864. Assuming that this is the same vessel, a steamer ELFIN, 174 tons, Capt Thomas, arrived in Formosa from Yokohama in Dec 1864 with general cardo and was dispatched to Yokohama 1/1865 with general cargo (apparently the first exports from Formosa as it opened itself to foreign trade) [James W Davidson "The Island of Formosa Past and Present", author, Yokohama 1903 - page 179] http://tinyurl.com/pxpozce North China Herald, 12 Jul 1873 "A small river steamer named the Elfin was launched from Farnham's building yard at New Dock yesterday The original Elfin was seized it will be some ten back at on the pretext that it had not the requisite Custom House. The hull having become room it was determined to place her which still remained in a new shell and this has been success fully" [a biy cryptic, from an OCR - http://newspaperarchive.com/chn/shanghai/shanghai/north-china-herald/1873/07-12/page-5 The 1873 ELFIN doesn't seem to have been registered as a British ship. David

Thank you very much David, This information has been very helpful. Do you know if there were any census records for the Merchant Vessels for those abroad at the time of the census? If that makes sense? Thanks Jackie > On 19 Mar 2015, at 12:53, David Asprey via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com >> wrote: > >> <snip>Also Edward Byrne is listed in the 1867 Mercantile Navy List as >> owner of the 165 ton, 60 HP vessel ELFIN of Hong Kong, Official Number >> 42955. >> (The Official Number was a permanent and unique identifier of a vessel. It >> remained the same no matter how many times the vessel changed owner, >> changed name or changed Port of Registry.) >> When you plug that O.N. in at the CLIP website I gave you in the previous >> post, you'll see that she was built in Canada. > Intriguing snippets to be found on ELFIN. > Built Prince Edward Island and registered there 6 Nov 1862 as 174nrt > sailing vessel (ON 42955) > 14/7/1865 registry cancelled as "sold foreign" > 1865 re-registered at Hong Kong as a steamship of 165nrt and 60nhp in > ownership of Edward Byrne, Shanghai > by 1868/1869 British registry cancelled (not in Mercantile Navy List > 1870). > > Also found that she was already a steamer by late 1864. Assuming that this > is the same vessel, a steamer ELFIN, 174 tons, Capt Thomas, arrived in > Formosa from Yokohama in Dec 1864 with general cardo and was dispatched to > Yokohama 1/1865 with general cargo (apparently the first exports from > Formosa as it opened itself to foreign trade) [James W Davidson "The Island > of Formosa Past and Present", author, Yokohama 1903 - page 179] > http://tinyurl.com/pxpozce > > North China Herald, 12 Jul 1873 "A small river steamer named the Elfin was > launched from Farnham's building yard at New Dock yesterday The original > Elfin was seized it will be some ten back at on the pretext that it had not > the requisite Custom House. The hull having become room it was determined > to place her which still remained in a new shell and this has been success > fully" [a biy cryptic, from an OCR - > http://newspaperarchive.com/chn/shanghai/shanghai/north-china-herald/1873/07-12/page-5 > > The 1873 ELFIN doesn't seem to have been registered as a British ship. > > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message