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1. Re: [MAR] Capt Sadler
2. Mme_N_Carmichael via
3. Hello Albie, Mentions and dates of that voyage by FANNY here: http://www.geni.com/projects/1820-British-Settlers-in-South-Africa/162 and here: http://www.geni.com/projects/1820-Settlers-Butler-s-Party/9933 FANNY brought Irish emigrants from the port of Cork, Ireland. Here's a quote from another website:"The English settled in South Africa mostly after 1820 when a group of 3,675 British subjects settled in eastern Cape Province in that year. These settlers are well documented. A memorial museum that has genealogies of their descendants is located at: Albany Museum Somerset Street Grahamstown 6140 South Africa Web site: http://www.ru.ac.za/affiliates/am/ " Since FANNY was chartered to carry "assisted" emigrants, there may well be references to FANNY and Sadler at TNA, possibly? in Admiralty papers? Re Mate/Only Mate, there is a good description on the website of The Mariners List here:http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/GenBosunMastersExam.html Regards,Adi From: Albie <albie@astonbay.co.za> To: 'Mme_N_Carmichael' <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca>; mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:45 AM Subject: RE: [MAR] Capt Sadler Thank you very much Adi for your willingness to help again!The information I have is from the 1820 settlers that came to South Africa and settled near Grahamstown South Africa and was well documentedThis Capt. Sadler and the “Fanny” was one of the ships bringing in a settler group and his son Thomas Farrar Sadler (1799-180) came out with him and stayed. From my records it seems that the first name “William” is most likely and “Thomas” as a second. I think that #146 as you mentioned below is most probably correct.Adi, can one get more information about this William Sadler somewhere from mariner’s resources?Can you perhaps tell me the difference between the rank as “Mate” and “Only Mate” the latter being a certificate of one of our family members? Regards, Albie From: Mme_N_Carmichael [mailto:mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 4:12 AM To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt Sadler Hello Albie, Do you have a first name for Captain Sadler? Or any other information or context? The newspapers show a FANNY with Sadler as master in 1816 and 1817 trading Pernambuco <-> London. Lloyd's 1820 Register of Shipping here:http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.htmlshows FANNY, a London transport, with master W. Sadler as #146 under the "F", but the information in those registers is often up to a year out of date.However the same information does also appear in the 1821 edition. But ... I don't see any 1820 references to FANNY under Sadler in the 1820 Lloyd's List newspaper here:http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=Sadler;id=hvd.32044105226344;view=1up;seq=5;start=11;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 Regards,Adi From: Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt Sadler Hi, Could someone please guide me to research Capt Sadler and the ship "Fanny" in 1820 to East London, South Africa? Regards, Albie Gibson, South Africa
09/09/2015 10:41:36
1. Re: [MAR] Capt Sadler
2. Albie via
3. Adi, thank you very much for your help! Kind regards, Albie From: Mme_N_Carmichael [mailto:mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 6:42 PM To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt Sadler Hello Albie, Mentions and dates of that voyage by FANNY here: http://www.geni.com/projects/1820-British-Settlers-in-South-Africa/162 and here: http://www.geni.com/projects/1820-Settlers-Butler-s-Party/9933 FANNY brought Irish emigrants from the port of Cork, Ireland. Here's a quote from another website: "The English settled in South Africa mostly after 1820 when a group of 3,675 British subjects settled in eastern Cape Province in that year. These settlers are well documented. A memorial museum that has genealogies of their descendants is located at: Albany Museum Somerset Street Grahamstown 6140 South Africa Web site: <http://www.ru.ac.za/affiliates/am/> http://www.ru.ac.za/affiliates/am/ " Since FANNY was chartered to carry "assisted" emigrants, there may well be references to FANNY and Sadler at TNA, possibly? in Admiralty papers? Re Mate/Only Mate, there is a good description on the website of The Mariners List here: http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/GenBosunMastersExam.html Regards, Adi _____ From: Albie <albie@astonbay.co.za> To: 'Mme_N_Carmichael' <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca>; mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, September 9, 2015 5:45 AM Subject: RE: [MAR] Capt Sadler Thank you very much Adi for your willingness to help again! The information I have is from the 1820 settlers that came to South Africa and settled near Grahamstown South Africa and was well documented This Capt. Sadler and the “Fanny” was one of the ships bringing in a settler group and his son Thomas Farrar Sadler (1799-180) came out with him and stayed. >From my records it seems that the first name “William” is most likely and “Thomas” as a second. I think that #146 as you mentioned below is most probably correct. Adi, can one get more information about this William Sadler somewhere from mariner’s resources? Can you perhaps tell me the difference between the rank as “Mate” and “Only Mate” the latter being a certificate of one of our family members? Regards, Albie From: Mme_N_Carmichael [mailto:mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca] Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 2015 4:12 AM To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt Sadler Hello Albie, Do you have a first name for Captain Sadler? Or any other information or context? The newspapers show a FANNY with Sadler as master in 1816 and 1817 trading Pernambuco <-> London. Lloyd's 1820 Register of Shipping here: http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html shows FANNY, a London transport, with master W. Sadler as #146 under the "F", but the information in those registers is often up to a year out of date. However the same information does also appear in the 1821 edition. But ... I don't see any 1820 references to FANNY under Sadler in the 1820 Lloyd's List newspaper here: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=Sadler;id=hvd.32044105226344;view=1up;seq=5;start=11;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 Regards, Adi _____ From: Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2015 5:15 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt Sadler Hi, Could someone please guide me to research Capt Sadler and the ship "Fanny" in 1820 to East London, South Africa? Regards, Albie Gibson, South Africa
09/10/2015 08:27:02