Here is additional information, what I know so far, and some leads I could pursue if you think they would provide good additional validation/info. Can anyone tell me what kind of information is available on these types of Merchant sea records or if there is another source (online) for this material? Trying to decide if I should order these films for viewing at the local Family history center. UNITED KINGDOM, MERCHANT NAVY SEAMEN RECORDS, 1835-1941 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC39-KK3 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC3C-KGR I found the below on Ancestry and believe this to be John Nutman Jr. but need to verify and have seen a shipping news article where the Ringdove was in Calcutta in 1857. Could not find anything saying the Ringdove was in Calcutta in 1863. Also want to find out more about the circumstances of his death. Name: John Nutman Gender: Male Age: 35 Birth Date: 1828 Death Date: 12 Aug 1863 Burial Date: 12 Aug 1863 Burial Place: Calcutta, Bengal, India FHL Film Number: 499011 I believe this is where John Nutman Sr. is buried http://www.toxtethparkcemetery.co.uk/dbase/toxsearch.php Surname Forename Age Rank Address Buried Folio Entry C/N Section Grave Class NUTMAN John 74 years Mariner Workhouse 22 December 1863 893 17847 C R 509 352 CEM 9/1/4 There are records on Ancestry of a John Nutman beginning in 1851 until before his death, that was in and out of lunatic asylums in Lancashire. So I think this may be him. His wife, Anne Nutman (maiden Morgan), my 4th GR GM died in Liverpool in 1858. Their son, John Nutman, likely died in Aug 1863. Their daughter, Elizabeth Butler (Nutman) Stinson was a widow. Her husband William Frederick Stinson died at sea, a first mate on the Ship Michigan, which sunk. She had a young son and had moved to Maine in the US to marry her brother-in-law, a Sea Captain named John Huston Stinson. I have not found evidence they had additional children. So by the time he died, John Nutman Sr. may have been alone in this world, maybe with depression and/or dementia. This is the marriage record of John Nutman and Ann Cornish (Cornish was her first husband, my 4th GR GF and also a Mariner) in South Shields in 1821 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNVQ-DVW Findmypast had a free weekend a couple of weekends ago and I found the baptismal records for Elizabeth (1823) and John Jr. (1828) with parents Anne and John Nutman, Mariner in Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales. Ann Morgan was born in Wales, though I have not found her birth record and do not know her parent's names so not sure where in Wales. Records I have seen for John Nutman Sr. say he was born in England. Just trying to piece together their story and verify these are my people. You're the Mariner experts so... Thanks very much, Kathleen -----Original Message----- From: mariners-request <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> To: mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 10, 2015 12:04 am Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 170 Today's Topics: 1. John Nutman (senior and junior) and the Ringdove (mktgmaven2001@aol.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 01:15:03 -0400 From: mktgmaven2001@aol.com Subject: [MAR] John Nutman (senior and junior) and the Ringdove To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <150502c7877-12cb-363bc@webprd-m11.mail.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 My 4th Great Grandmother's second husband was John Nutman, a Mariner. They had a son, also John Nutman born in April, 1828. John Sr., my GM Anne, and their daughter Elizabeth Nutman are listed in the 1841 census in Liverpool. I found John Nutman Junior's Masters & Mates certificate on Ancestry.com and he lists my 3rd GR GF's (William Reed) schooner The Volunteer as one of the ships he worked on. I did not find a M&M certificate for John Nutman Sr. Anything more you can tell me about either of these John Nutman's is greatly appreciated. I found this article about a Captain John Nutman of a barque called the Ringdove but I have not been able to find out more about this John Nutman and if he is either of the two above http://digital.sfasu.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/RSP/id/5406/rec/21 Thanks very much, Kathleen ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 170 *****************************************

Hello Kathleen, There is no date visible on your Dallas Herald clipping about runaway slaves. I am sending you another clipping offlist from March 1858 about Captain John Nutman, master of RINGDOVE, which was in Calcutta ~January 1858. However it appears dubious that this is indeed *your* John Nutman as he is described as being "half an American" which doesn't fit your description of his parentage. Nutman appears in American Lloyds volumes for 1859,1861 and 1862 (always on RINGDOVE) at the Mystic Seaport site here:http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/MSearchIndex.cfm I believe that those merchant navy microfilms at familysearch.org are the same files that are on FindMyPast. It would seem that the head honchos at familysearch.org think that the word "navy" automatically means "military" as they are indexed under "Military Service" (smile). Regards,Adi   From: mktgmaven2001 via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2015 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 170 Here is additional information, what I know so far, and some leads I could pursue if you think they would provide good additional validation/info. Can anyone tell me what kind of information is available on these types of Merchant sea records or if there is another source (online) for this material? Trying to decide if I should order these films for viewing at the local Family history center. UNITED KINGDOM, MERCHANT NAVY SEAMEN RECORDS, 1835-1941 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC39-KK3 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC3C-KGR I found the below on Ancestry and believe this to be John Nutman Jr. but need to verify and have seen a shipping news article where the Ringdove was in Calcutta in 1857. Could not find anything saying the Ringdove was in Calcutta in 1863. Also want to find out more about the circumstances of his death.   There are records on Ancestry of a John Nutman beginning in 1851 until before his death, that was in and out of lunatic asylums in Lancashire. So I think this may be him. His wife, Anne Nutman (maiden Morgan), my 4th GR GM died in Liverpool in 1858. Their son, John Nutman, likely died in Aug 1863. Their daughter, Elizabeth Butler (Nutman) Stinson was a widow. Her husband William Frederick Stinson died at sea, a first mate on the Ship Michigan, which sunk. She had a young son and had moved to Maine in the US to marry her brother-in-law, a Sea Captain named John Huston Stinson. I have not found evidence they had additional children. So by the time he died, John Nutman Sr. may have been alone in this world, maybe with depression and/or dementia. This is the marriage record of John Nutman and Ann Cornish (Cornish was her first husband, my 4th GR GF and also a Mariner) in South Shields in 1821 https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NNVQ-DVW Findmypast had a free weekend a couple of weekends ago and I found the baptismal records for Elizabeth (1823) and John Jr. (1828) with parents Anne and John Nutman, Mariner in Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire, Wales. Ann Morgan was born in Wales, though I have not found her birth record and do not know her parent's names so not sure where in Wales. Records I have seen for John Nutman Sr. say he was born in England. Just trying to piece together their story and verify these are my people. You're the Mariner experts so... Thanks very much, Kathleen