Hello Jeff, Altho' I haven't found a definitive answer for you, it's been an interesting trawl. On balance of evidence, I'd say that GARRICK was American, not British. Here's a bit quoted from:http://northyorkshirehistory.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-faceby-mormons-cross-atlantic.html "They were sailing on the Siddons, a packet ship of the Dramatic Line.  Packet ships were the workhorses of the Atlantic, constantly crossing the ocean, owned by Americans and crewed by Europeans. The Siddons was about 20 years old.  Her sister ship, the Garrick, was the fastest packet of her day; her quickest westbound crossing was completed in 18 days, though her average was 32 days. The Siddons was a ship of 895 tons measuring 158 feet by 35 feet, with a depth of hold of 21 feet.  Her master was Captain John S Taylor." You'll note that in that text, GARRICK, is a link. Clicking on it takes you to a painting of her in a 2009 art auction, and I quote from the description: "Note: The Garrick was built at New York in 1836 under Edward Knight Collins, and was one of three vessels of the "Dramatic Line" of American packet ships to Liverpool. She weighed just over 895 tons. " Then there is this site:http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm Searching here for GARRICK brings up to other vessel names for the Dramatic Line, also references to "Tapscott" ("Tapscott's American Emigration Office" placed the adverts in the British papers). >From this page on The Ships List, Tapscott's were less-than-ethical:http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm Regards,Adi   From: Jeff Coleman via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com; mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:34 PM Subject: [MAR] Migrant ship GARRICK 1853 I am trying to discover the Official Number of the migrant ship GARRICK, about 800 to 900 tons, which sailed regularly between Liverpool and New York in 1853. The voyage which left Liverpool in September 1853 involved Cholera deaths. One report earlier in 1853 mentions that the vessel may have been American, rather than British. Advertisements refer to the master as Walker and '1800 tons' but the passenger list shows what might be 895 tons. If it was an American vessel, will there be any crew lists or logs available anywhere? Jeff

*The Morning Chronicle* (London), Wednesday, December 31, 1856 "Cardiff Dec.30: The American ship Garrick, from London, is on shore at Breaksea." *The Bristol Mercury* (Bristol), Saturday, February 14, 1857 [Meeting of Bristol Town Council] "...The Society of Merchant Venturers ... recommended .... the dismissal of a pilot named James Critson, for having caused the loss of the American ship Garrick.", In 19th century newspapers I found occasional references to "American [packet] ship Garrick", but none describing her as British. In this contemporary painting, she is flying the US ensign: http://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/2482/lots/280 Advertisements also described her as American, eg: http://www.pbagalleries.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/29/lot/94442/ David On 21 October 2015 at 06:24, Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello Jeff, > Altho' I haven't found a definitive answer for you, it's been an > interesting trawl. On balance of evidence, I'd say that GARRICK was > American, not British. > Here's a bit quoted from: > http://northyorkshirehistory.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-faceby-mormons-cross-atlantic.html > "They were sailing on the Siddons, a packet ship of the Dramatic Line. > Packet ships were the workhorses of the Atlantic, constantly crossing the > ocean, owned by Americans and crewed by Europeans. > > The Siddons was about 20 years old. Her sister ship, the Garrick, was > the fastest packet of her day; her quickest westbound crossing was > completed in 18 days, though her average was 32 days. > > The Siddons was a ship of 895 tons measuring 158 feet by 35 feet, with a > depth of hold of 21 feet. Her master was Captain John S Taylor." > You'll note that in that text, GARRICK, is a link. Clicking on it takes > you to a painting of her in a 2009 art auction, and I quote from the > description: > "Note: The Garrick was built at New York in 1836 under Edward Knight > Collins, and was one of three vessels of the "Dramatic Line" of American > packet ships to Liverpool. She weighed just over 895 tons. " > Then there is this site: > http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm > Searching here for GARRICK brings up to other vessel names for the > Dramatic Line, also references to "Tapscott" ("Tapscott's American > Emigration Office" placed the adverts in the British papers). > From this page on The Ships List, Tapscott's were less-than-ethical: > http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm > Regards,Adi > > > From: Jeff Coleman via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com; mariners@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:34 PM > Subject: [MAR] Migrant ship GARRICK 1853 > > I am trying to discover the Official Number of the migrant ship GARRICK, > about 800 to 900 tons, which sailed regularly between Liverpool and New > York in 1853. The voyage which left Liverpool in September 1853 involved > Cholera deaths. > > One report earlier in 1853 mentions that the vessel may have been > American, rather than British. Advertisements refer to the master as Walker > and '1800 tons' but the passenger list shows what might be 895 tons. > > If it was an American vessel, will there be any crew lists or logs > available anywhere? > > Jeff > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This Breaksea is, of course, not the more well-known one in Western Australia but a very small headland of South Glamorgan on the north shore of the Bristol Channel, a contender for the most southerly point of the Welsh mainland, about halfway between Swansea and Newport. Or, for those who live nearer, come out of Cardiff by boat, turn West and it is between Cardiff Airport and Aberthaw powerstation. How the pilot got his ship aground here where the channel is a good 20km wide is a good question. Are the Board of Trade enquiries available on line ? Graham (Cardiff) On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 10:46 AM, David Asprey via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > *The Morning Chronicle* (London), Wednesday, December 31, 1856 > "Cardiff Dec.30: The American ship Garrick, from London, is on shore at > Breaksea." > > *The Bristol Mercury* (Bristol), Saturday, February 14, 1857 > [Meeting of Bristol Town Council] > "...The Society of Merchant Venturers ... recommended .... the dismissal of > a pilot named James Critson, for having caused the loss of the American > ship Garrick.", > > In 19th century newspapers I found occasional references to "American > [packet] ship Garrick", but none describing her as British. > > In this contemporary painting, she is flying the US ensign: > http://www.skinnerinc.com/auctions/2482/lots/280 > Advertisements also described her as American, eg: > http://www.pbagalleries.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/29/lot/94442/ > > > David > > > On 21 October 2015 at 06:24, Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > > > Hello Jeff, > > Altho' I haven't found a definitive answer for you, it's been an > > interesting trawl. On balance of evidence, I'd say that GARRICK was > > American, not British. > > Here's a bit quoted from: > > > http://northyorkshirehistory.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-faceby-mormons-cross-atlantic.html > > "They were sailing on the Siddons, a packet ship of the Dramatic Line. > > Packet ships were the workhorses of the Atlantic, constantly crossing the > > ocean, owned by Americans and crewed by Europeans. > > > > The Siddons was about 20 years old. Her sister ship, the Garrick, was > > the fastest packet of her day; her quickest westbound crossing was > > completed in 18 days, though her average was 32 days. > > > > The Siddons was a ship of 895 tons measuring 158 feet by 35 feet, with a > > depth of hold of 21 feet. Her master was Captain John S Taylor." > > You'll note that in that text, GARRICK, is a link. Clicking on it takes > > you to a painting of her in a 2009 art auction, and I quote from the > > description: > > "Note: The Garrick was built at New York in 1836 under Edward Knight > > Collins, and was one of three vessels of the "Dramatic Line" of American > > packet ships to Liverpool. She weighed just over 895 tons. " > > Then there is this site: > > http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm > > Searching here for GARRICK brings up to other vessel names for the > > Dramatic Line, also references to "Tapscott" ("Tapscott's American > > Emigration Office" placed the adverts in the British papers). > > From this page on The Ships List, Tapscott's were less-than-ethical: > > http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm > > Regards,Adi > > > > > > From: Jeff Coleman via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > > To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com; mariners@rootsweb.com > > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:34 PM > > Subject: [MAR] Migrant ship GARRICK 1853 > > > > I am trying to discover the Official Number of the migrant ship GARRICK, > > about 800 to 900 tons, which sailed regularly between Liverpool and New > > York in 1853. The voyage which left Liverpool in September 1853 involved > > Cholera deaths. > > > > One report earlier in 1853 mentions that the vessel may have been > > American, rather than British. Advertisements refer to the master as > Walker > > and '1800 tons' but the passenger list shows what might be 895 tons. > > > > If it was an American vessel, will there be any crew lists or logs > > available anywhere? > > > > Jeff > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Whilst I appreciate that its a only a quote Adi, and nothing to do with you, but I don't think I can let it pass without comment ;-) > Packet ships were the workhorses of the Atlantic, constantly crossing the ocean, owned by Americans and crewed by Europeans. Most countries with a coastline had packets in one form or another, be they government owned, as some were in the UK, which operated out of Falmouth by the Admiralty for many years, to Lisbon, the Mediterranean, the West Indies, South and North America, etc., to a time table, or privately owned, but set up by contract to carry people, mail and goods over set routes to a time table, even across the World, (or at least the best time table that could be operated by wind driven vessels, until steam became the norm), from any suitable port, or by private companies using the good name of the word packet, to further their own business ends, for better, or worse i.e. many companies successfully operated coastal packets, or packets to the continent, for many years to the satisfaction of their customers until the roads were improved and/or canals and railways made the coastal packet uneconomic, whereas some less scrupulous companies would appear to have abused the good name of the packet for their own ends ! I can only speak for the UK, but assume that the situation wasn't that much different on the Continent (of Europe), but most British trade directories which include coastal towns detail the owners and operation of local packets, e.g. the Dorset trade directories detail the companies that operated packets that called at or off the small ports of Poole, Weymouth, Bridport and Lyme, whilst newspapers often carried details too e.g. the time table for the above mentioned Falmouth Packets, which were of major importance across the UK when it came to sending mail and parcels/packets abroad, can be found in the Royal Cornwall Gazette, along with the actual departure and arrival dates and from there would appear to have been copied across to many newspapers across the British Isles, in the national papers such as the Morning Post and or, as I discovered the other day, when researching the topic, the Caledonian Mercury north of the border. And since we seem to be touching on the difficulties experienced in the US when it came to recruiting seamen, I should perhaps also note that much of the US Navy was manned by north European matelots too during the early decades of the 19th Century, with the employment of former RN seamen being a brief, but not infrequent topic in British newspapers, especially when the was an increase in tensions between the two countries, which, perhaps surprisingly, weren't that unusual, at least until after the ACW. But with improved wages etc. I guess one can't blame them. Paul On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 05:24:00 +0000 (UTC), Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hello Jeff, >Altho' I haven't found a definitive answer for you, it's been an interesting trawl. On balance of evidence, I'd say that GARRICK was American, not British. >Here's a bit quoted from:http://northyorkshirehistory.blogspot.ca/2012/11/the-faceby-mormons-cross-atlantic.html >"They were sailing on the Siddons, a packet ship of the Dramatic Line.  Packet ships were the workhorses of the Atlantic, constantly crossing the ocean, owned by Americans and crewed by Europeans. > > The Siddons was about 20 years old.  Her sister ship, the Garrick, was the fastest packet of her day; her quickest westbound crossing was completed in 18 days, though her average was 32 days. > > The Siddons was a ship of 895 tons measuring 158 feet by 35 feet, with a depth of hold of 21 feet.  Her master was Captain John S Taylor." >You'll note that in that text, GARRICK, is a link. Clicking on it takes you to a painting of her in a 2009 art auction, and I quote from the description: >"Note: The Garrick was built at New York in 1836 under Edward Knight Collins, and was one of three vessels of the "Dramatic Line" of American packet ships to Liverpool. She weighed just over 895 tons. " >Then there is this site:http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm >Searching here for GARRICK brings up to other vessel names for the Dramatic Line, also references to "Tapscott" ("Tapscott's American Emigration Office" placed the adverts in the British papers). >From this page on The Ships List, Tapscott's were less-than-ethical:http://www.grimshaworigin.org/WebPages/CalebShip.htm >Regards,Adi > >  > From: Jeff Coleman via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > To: theshipslist@rootsweb.com; mariners@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2015 5:34 PM > Subject: [MAR] Migrant ship GARRICK 1853 > >I am trying to discover the Official Number of the migrant ship GARRICK, about 800 to 900 tons, which sailed regularly between Liverpool and New York in 1853. The voyage which left Liverpool in September 1853 involved Cholera deaths. > >One report earlier in 1853 mentions that the vessel may have been American, rather than British. Advertisements refer to the master as Walker and '1800 tons' but the passenger list shows what might be 895 tons. > >If it was an American vessel, will there be any crew lists or logs available anywhere? > >Jeff > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html