Dear list Thank you Wendy, Peter and Paul for taking the time to responded to my request for information on Lieut. Walsh. I'm much obliged. Following on from your responses I have gone back to my family to see if there is any more information on Lieut. Walsh. Hopefully there is and if so I will post it on the List. I do know that he married Catherine O'Donnell of Donegal and that he died on the 25th November 1825. That's about it. Kind Regards Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: mariners-request@rootsweb.com To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2011 8:00:09 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 349 Today's Topics: 1. Off the coast of Namibia (Ms Betty Fredericks) 2. Joseph Richard Middleton (Ellis) 3. (Se?n) 4. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Wendy Settle) 5. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Peter Klein) 6. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Paul Benyon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ms Betty Fredericks <bbffrrpp@yahoo.com> Subject: [MAR] Off the coast of Namibia To: "Mariners@rootsweb.com" <Mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1320833448.32232.YahooMailNeo@web114501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, Once a year, "Matt" from the "TODAY" show on TV? visits many countries around the world - for one week.??? Yesterday,? he visited? Namibia in South Africa,? and the Skeleton Coast.?????? One of the things he mentioned is that there are at least 2? .skeletons.? of ships sitting in the desert.???? He asked why they were in the desert, and the answer was -? that was where the coastline was at the time those ships ran aground.????? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia#Coastal_Desert One example of a rusted, ship skeleton is shown on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Coast The Skeleton Coast?????????????is the northern part of the Atlantic Ocean coast of Namibia and south of Angola from the Kunene River south to the Swakop River, although the name is sometimes used to describe the entire Namib Desert coast. The Bushmen of the Namibian interior called the region "The Land God Made in Anger", while Portuguese sailors once referred to it as "The Gates of Hell". and The coast is named for the bleached whale and seal bones which covered the shore when the whaling industry was still active, as well as the skeletal shipwrecks caused by rocks offshore in the fog. More than a thousand vessels of various sizes and areas litter the coast. Notable wrecks in the region include the Eduard Bohlen, the Otavi, the Dunedin Star, and Tong Taw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_ship Just an FYI for you. Betty???????????? (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists for 10 yrs.;? now an Admin for 9 Lists) FYI:??? My? great-great-grandfather, Evan CORKILL, was a mariner? (1827-maybe 1900) and was involved with shipping of some sort from the Isle of Man and Liverpool and Whitehaven, England.???? He lost his wife ~1872, and, when his 5 young children were being "shipped to Canada" as part of the "UK's Child Migrant Scheme,"? he was - on his way to Africa.???? I don't know anything about what kinds of ships he sailed on,? and whether he sailed to many areas around the world from 1850's to 1880's.) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:56:39 +1000 From: "Ellis" <johnbarb1@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Joseph Richard Middleton To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <101C844A71514C18977CC9A6A5FB6A4D@BarbaraPC1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In 1846, J R Middleton described himself as a master mariner on his daughter?s baptism record in India. Another reference to him said he was a Captain in the Honourable East India Company?s Service. He was born in 1809, so possibly arrived in India c1829. He married Louisa Leigh in 1834, left India in 1836, and returned in 1844, where he remained until his death in 1865. I am keen to find any reference to him as a mariner. Barbara ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2215809.18497.1320858893391.JavaMail.root@webmailbox101.eircom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:27:49 -0800 From: Wendy Settle <wsettle@pcc.edu> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <27AB116E9FF2854F941683557ABE9AB8835A84BD8A@ex.elc.pcc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Do you have his first name? -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Se?n Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:15 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:57:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1320865026.56591.YahooMailNeo@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Sean Lt. Walsh does not seem to appear on the HMS Victory Muster Roll (see attached link)?http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=87. ?There were two landsmen aboard during the battle named "Welsh", but they would seem unrelated. This would not preclude Lieutenant Walsh being at Trafalgar, so he could have been aboard one of the other ships at the battle. ?There were 24 other ships of the line, four frigates, and a few smaller vessels to choose from. ?According to the National Archives website, 18 men named Walsh have been listed as serving during the battle, see: ?http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/results.asp?page=1. ?Sadly none of them are listed as being a Lieutenant. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 17:14 Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:21:58 +0000 From: Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <lgllb7teln6d0sb8ai62rv3q5kbkvnhe01@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Se?n I see that Steel's List of the Royal Navy for May 1805 had 2 Lieutenants by the name of Walsh : Walsh, Arch., whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1796 and Walsh, John, whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1783 Neither of these officers are noted as serving at sea when the List was published. I don't know which officer the following notes from the Naval Chronicle refer to or whether there may have been another officer with this name around at the time : Note 1 : from Vol 2 of the Naval chronicle 20 Nov 1799, Portsmouth, arrived the Pelter, Lt. Walsh, from the Texel, having been ashore on the Dutch coast, and was sent into harbour for a refit, having lost her anchor, cables and false keel. She arrived with survivors from the Dutch frigate Valk/Voolk, wrecked on the Island of Ameland. Note 2 : I've not read it properly, but in Vol 7 of the Naval chronicle in Google Books there appears to be a Lieutenant Walsh who was called as a witness at a Court Martial circa 1801-02, on men from HMS Temeraire : ISTR reading some years ago this Court Martial was of some importance, but forget the nature of it, although it would appear that most of the men involved were sentenced to die. But, the important thing here is that the Temeraire went on to serve alongside the Victory at Trafalgar, but I don't know if Lt. Walsh was still on board on 21 Oct 1805 when the Battle of Trafalgar took place. So what we can say is that an officer with the name of Lieutenant Walsh probably served on board a ship that would, in due course, be at Trafalgar, but whether he was still on board at the time is another question altogether. This is often how stories grow legs and get embroidered ..... :-) FWIW Paul On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT), Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Se?n > > > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Se?n > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50? 33' N, 2? 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 349 ****************************************
Sean, You still didn't tell us of his first name. If you know he married Catherine, did you have a first name. This would help. Wendy -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Seán Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:12 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar - Lieut Walsh Dear list Thank you Wendy, Peter and Paul for taking the time to responded to my request for information on Lieut. Walsh. I'm much obliged. Following on from your responses I have gone back to my family to see if there is any more information on Lieut. Walsh. Hopefully there is and if so I will post it on the List. I do know that he married Catherine O'Donnell of Donegal and that he died on the 25th November 1825. That's about it. Kind Regards Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: mariners-request@rootsweb.com To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 10 November, 2011 8:00:09 AM Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 349 Today's Topics: 1. Off the coast of Namibia (Ms Betty Fredericks) 2. Joseph Richard Middleton (Ellis) 3. (Se?n) 4. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Wendy Settle) 5. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Peter Klein) 6. Re: Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar (Paul Benyon) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 02:10:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ms Betty Fredericks <bbffrrpp@yahoo.com> Subject: [MAR] Off the coast of Namibia To: "Mariners@rootsweb.com" <Mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1320833448.32232.YahooMailNeo@web114501.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello, Once a year, "Matt" from the "TODAY" show on TV? visits many countries around the world - for one week.??? Yesterday,? he visited? Namibia in South Africa,? and the Skeleton Coast.?????? One of the things he mentioned is that there are at least 2? .skeletons.? of ships sitting in the desert.???? He asked why they were in the desert, and the answer was -? that was where the coastline was at the time those ships ran aground.????? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Namibia#Coastal_Desert One example of a rusted, ship skeleton is shown on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeleton_Coast The Skeleton Coast?????????????is the northern part of the Atlantic Ocean coast of Namibia and south of Angola from the Kunene River south to the Swakop River, although the name is sometimes used to describe the entire Namib Desert coast. The Bushmen of the Namibian interior called the region "The Land God Made in Anger", while Portuguese sailors once referred to it as "The Gates of Hell". and The coast is named for the bleached whale and seal bones which covered the shore when the whaling industry was still active, as well as the skeletal shipwrecks caused by rocks offshore in the fog. More than a thousand vessels of various sizes and areas litter the coast. Notable wrecks in the region include the Eduard Bohlen, the Otavi, the Dunedin Star, and Tong Taw. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whaling http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factory_ship Just an FYI for you. Betty???????????? (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists for 10 yrs.;? now an Admin for 9 Lists) FYI:??? My? great-great-grandfather, Evan CORKILL, was a mariner? (1827-maybe 1900) and was involved with shipping of some sort from the Isle of Man and Liverpool and Whitehaven, England.???? He lost his wife ~1872, and, when his 5 young children were being "shipped to Canada" as part of the "UK's Child Migrant Scheme,"? he was - on his way to Africa.???? I don't know anything about what kinds of ships he sailed on,? and whether he sailed to many areas around the world from 1850's to 1880's.) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 22:56:39 +1000 From: "Ellis" <johnbarb1@bigpond.com> Subject: [MAR] Joseph Richard Middleton To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <101C844A71514C18977CC9A6A5FB6A4D@BarbaraPC1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" In 1846, J R Middleton described himself as a master mariner on his daughter?s baptism record in India. Another reference to him said he was a Captain in the Honourable East India Company?s Service. He was born in 1809, so possibly arrived in India c1829. He married Louisa Leigh in 1834, left India in 1836, and returned in 1844, where he remained until his death in 1865. I am keen to find any reference to him as a mariner. Barbara ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <2215809.18497.1320858893391.JavaMail.root@webmailbox101.eircom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 09:27:49 -0800 From: Wendy Settle <wsettle@pcc.edu> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <27AB116E9FF2854F941683557ABE9AB8835A84BD8A@ex.elc.pcc.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Do you have his first name? -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Se?n Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2011 9:15 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 18:57:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1320865026.56591.YahooMailNeo@web86002.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hello Sean Lt. Walsh does not seem to appear on the HMS Victory Muster Roll (see attached link)?http://www.hms-victory.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=27&Itemid=87. ?There were two landsmen aboard during the battle named "Welsh", but they would seem unrelated. This would not preclude Lieutenant Walsh being at Trafalgar, so he could have been aboard one of the other ships at the battle. ?There were 24 other ships of the line, four frigates, and a few smaller vessels to choose from. ?According to the National Archives website, 18 men named Walsh have been listed as serving during the battle, see: ?http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/trafalgarancestors/results.asp?page=1. ?Sadly none of them are listed as being a Lieutenant. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 9 November 2011, 17:14 Subject: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar Dear List, I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n Thank you and a ll the b est, Se?n ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2011 20:21:58 +0000 From: Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Nelson's Ship at Trafalgar To: mariners@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <lgllb7teln6d0sb8ai62rv3q5kbkvnhe01@4ax.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Se?n I see that Steel's List of the Royal Navy for May 1805 had 2 Lieutenants by the name of Walsh : Walsh, Arch., whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1796 and Walsh, John, whose seniority as a Lieutenant was 1783 Neither of these officers are noted as serving at sea when the List was published. I don't know which officer the following notes from the Naval Chronicle refer to or whether there may have been another officer with this name around at the time : Note 1 : from Vol 2 of the Naval chronicle 20 Nov 1799, Portsmouth, arrived the Pelter, Lt. Walsh, from the Texel, having been ashore on the Dutch coast, and was sent into harbour for a refit, having lost her anchor, cables and false keel. She arrived with survivors from the Dutch frigate Valk/Voolk, wrecked on the Island of Ameland. Note 2 : I've not read it properly, but in Vol 7 of the Naval chronicle in Google Books there appears to be a Lieutenant Walsh who was called as a witness at a Court Martial circa 1801-02, on men from HMS Temeraire : ISTR reading some years ago this Court Martial was of some importance, but forget the nature of it, although it would appear that most of the men involved were sentenced to die. But, the important thing here is that the Temeraire went on to serve alongside the Victory at Trafalgar, but I don't know if Lt. Walsh was still on board on 21 Oct 1805 when the Battle of Trafalgar took place. So what we can say is that an officer with the name of Lieutenant Walsh probably served on board a ship that would, in due course, be at Trafalgar, but whether he was still on board at the time is another question altogether. This is often how stories grow legs and get embroidered ..... :-) FWIW Paul On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 17:14:53 +0000 (GMT), Se?n <sean_tee@eircom.net> wrote: > > >Dear List, > > > >I'd be delighted if you could help me? please, ? ? I am looking for information on a Lieut. Walsh who, I have been told, served on Nelson's ship HMS Victory at Trafalgar. He is a distant relative ?and he died in 1825. That is?a s much as I know at the moment. ?? > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Se?n > > > > >Thank you and a ll the b est, > >Se?n > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50? 33' N, 2? 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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