Yes Thomas is one of the eight younger sons mentioned near the bottom right of the Hodgson Tree. I found this tree almost by accident - I had spent an hour at the Society of Genealogists in between meetings in London researching some of my Yorkshire miners rather unsuccessfully so in my last few minutes I idly flicked through the volume and almost fell over when I saw the tree. I had found a number of the individuals already but it provided a great deal of further information and confirmed an amount of information from other sources. I believe it was prepared by JC Hodgson who wrote a number of the other volumes of the History of Northumberland. You may well be right about the Young connection. The Hodgsons also had marital and business links with the Watts who ran a shipping line, Joseph Hodgson, one of Thomas's elder brothers was in business with a Robert Soulsby. They ran Hodgson & Soulsby, Shipbuilders in Blyth which was later to become the Blyth Shibuilding Company. You have left me with plenty of leads to follow up -thankyou for all your help Best Regards Gavin On 13/08/2011 18:03, Peter Kirsopp wrote: > Looking at the Hodgson of Cowpen descent in the County History Vol IX, > I suppose your man Thomas is a grandson of Richard Hodgson of Plessey > 1756-1830. Richard's mother was Alice Young 1731-1821, don't know if > it connects. His brother Thomas married Margaret Simpson a minor > heiress of the Ovingham family abt 1782. A Hodgson from Ovingham > married the daughter of John Soulsby a shipowner in South Shields. > Business often followed family links in those days. Excuse me if you > know this already. > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin McLelland" > <gavin.mclelland@btinternet.com> > To: "Peter Kirsopp ; mariners@rootsweb.com" <peter.kirsopp@gmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 10:33 PM > Subject: Re: [MAR] (no subject) > > >> Peter, >> >> Thanks for the comprehensive reply. >> >> I hadn't thought to investigate Emanuel Young. >> >> And I've been meaning to get a copy of Walter Runcimans books so this >> will encourage more searches on ABE books. >> >> Thomas came from the Hodgsons of Hodgsons Lane/Road in Blyth and the >> operated, owned and built a number of ships, Thomas's brother went on >> to found a shipyard that later became the Blyth Shipbuilding Co. so >> they must have known Emanuel Young. >> >> Wonder why he got a poor deal on the pay? perhaps Young had a good >> reputation for teaching >> >> Thanks again >> >> Gavin >> >> >> >> >> >> On 09/08/2011 21:00, Peter Kirsopp wrote: >>> Sir Walter Runciman gives an account of the system in 'Before the Mast >>> and After'. He engaged to sail from Blyth as an apprentice at 12 yrs >>> without his parent's knowing and despite their subsequent attempt at >>> disuasion. He didn't stay with his first ship but served out his time >>> on others. The money is a bit on the low side. The system in Blyth was >>> for a commitee of the union to examine time served apprentices as able >>> seamen. Runciman also learnt navigation in his spare time with some >>> assistance from the officers, and sat for his certificate as mate, at >>> this time only required for foreign-going ships. >>> Emmanuel Young was a considerable shipowner of foreign-going ship so I >>> would not expect him to command his own ships, relying upon the >>> captains to give adequate training. Promising senior apprentices were >>> often appointed as uncertificated 2nd mate to keep the captain's >>> watch. Good owners sometimes sent boys to navigation training schools >>> in slack periods. >>> Peter >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gavin McLelland" >>> <gavin.mclelland@btinternet.com> >>> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 12:22 PM >>> Subject: [MAR] (no subject) >>> >>> >>>> >>>> List >>>> >>>> Through Ancestry I recently got in touch with a long lost cousin – we >>>> share a 3 x Great Grandfather – Thomas Hodgson who was from Blyth, >>>> Northumberland, UK. I knew that he was qualified master mariner but >>>> she has several original documents relating to his service in the >>>> merchant marine. >>>> >>>> First was his apprentice agreement: >>>> >>>> He signed it in early January 1852 when he was fifteen, his master >>>> Emanuel Young agreed to teach him to become a seaman over a period of >>>> 4 years. >>>> His pay was to be a total of 29 pounds over the 4 years 3 pounds for >>>> the first, 6 pounds for the second, 8 pounds for the third and 12 for >>>> the final year + 12 shillings extra each year for doing his own >>>> washing. >>>> >>>> Some Questions for the list: >>>> >>>> Thomas’s parents did not sign the document (I have a copy of a >>>> weavers apprenticeship agreement from another branch of the family >>>> which was signed by the apprentices father) was that unusual? Would it >>>> imply some breakdown in family relations? >>>> >>>> Was the amount paid typical for the period? >>>> >>>> Whilst the agreement said that he was to be taught to be only to be a >>>> seaman Thomas qualified as a Master Mariner in 1859 about three years >>>> after the apprenticeship finished and claimed whilst giving evidence >>>> in a trial at the Old Bailey that he first sailed as 2ndMate in 1853 >>>> when he was 16 and whilst he was still an apprentice. So was the aim >>>> of the apprenticeship to train him as a merchant officer rather than >>>> as ordinary seaman as the text of the apprenticeship agreement >>>> implies? >>>> >>>> He obviously had good relations with his master as his 2nd son, my >>>> Great Great Grandfather, Thomas Emanuel Hodgson was named after him. >>>> >>>> Many thanks in anticipation >>>> Gavin >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >> > >