Hi Ron, Great thought! Unfortunately not that I know of. I have no females called Adelaide on the family tree. It would have made an unbelievable story if there was connection! Thanks anyway Peter My direct family did settle in Adelaide Australia which is still a originally f. It would have been a great connection if ----- Original Message ----- From: "RONALD BARTLETT" <ronbart12@msn.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage 1816-18 > Peter, > > I have a piece of Whalebone (5" X 7") carved with a hand drawn picture of > a young lady with the name "Miss Adelaide Phillips" > > carved below the picture. (Skrimsaw, phonetic spelling) I know it's a > long shot but could there be any connection? > > Ron Bartlett > ronbart12@msn.com<mailto:ronbart12@msn.com> > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Peter Phillips<mailto:pphillip@bigpond.com> > To: Chris Maxworthy<mailto:cgmaxwor@gmail.com> ; > mariners-l<mailto:Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2011 6:19 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren,voyage > 1816-18 > > > Hi Chris and Listers, > > Thanks so much for all the great info below. I was so impressed with all > the good information I decided I needed my own personal copy of A.G.E. > Jones book "Ships Employed in The South Seas Trade". It is a great > reference book The problem was it raised a whole lot of new questions!!! > > I am no nearer to answering my original questions about James Phillips on > the Syren but having a lot of fun trying to! > > I found a reference in Jones' book to another James Phillips who in 1795 > was master of the "William" another ship owned by C & S Enderby. This > started me wondering if this James was the father of my 5 * Grandfather > drowned at sea in cir 1816 on the Syren also owned by C & S Enderby. The > father/son relationship fits well based on the age difference, as do the > first names and the Enderby connection. > > Is anyone aware of any crew records or records in general of C & S > Enderby? Can some one tell me how I would best find out if they exit. > Should I approach the TNA in England or some other source? > > Sorry if this becoming tedious for everyone on the list but I am finding > the 'thrill of chase' fascinating. > > Regards > Peter > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Maxworthy > To: Peter Phillips > Cc: mariners-l > Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:21 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, > voyage 1816-18 > > > Peter > > The offshore whaling trade had a strong influence from New England > mariners. This link is to Google Books, and an article from the 1830's > that provides a thorough description of the roles in a whaler. > Yes, there was a hierarchy of progression within the whaling industry > of that period. Whale oil, and particularly spermacetti oil, was the > illuminant and lubricant of choice, until the advent of large scale > mineral oil production (petroleum) from the mid 19th century. > cheers > chris > > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:37 PM, Peter Phillips > <pphillip@bigpond.com<mailto:pphillip@bigpond.com>> wrote: > > Hi Chris, > > Thanks very much for all your help and your annotations below. As I > said I am very ignorant of matters sailing! Is a line coiler a 'deckhand' > who is responsible for coiling up the anchor ropes, sail ropes etc.? Is a > boat steerer is someone who steered the boat out in the middle of an ocean > and only had to worry about steering a constant course? > > If James was recorded as a mate in 1816 does that mean he was > progressing up mariner's greasy pole'? Another quick question - do any of > these job descriptions give a clue to his age? > > When I was over in England last year I went to TNA at Kew and I think > I found the will for James Phillips but not a James Phillips from > Middlesex. My James came from Pembrokshire in Wales and the beneficiary > was noted as Diana - which I know to be his wife's name. I also found a > petition to Trinity House in the London Archives that had a lot of detail > about James's family which tied everything together really nicely. > > The big challenge I have is to find details of James's parents and > his siblings and I was hoping something in all these shipping records > would give me a clue. > > Thanks again for your help and also to Alex, Jenny and Julie for > their help. I find it amazing how much knowledge you have all accumulated > and your willingness to share it. > > Kind Regards > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chris Maxworthy > To: mariners-l > Cc: Peter Phillips > Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2011 12:57 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] Details of James Phillips and the whaler Syren, > voyage 1816-18 > > > Peter > > Regarding your maritime ancestor James Phillips, mate of the Syren > whaler. There is a Will at the TNA for a James Phillips, master mariner. > Any chance this is your chap? > Will of James Phillips, Master Mariner of Lucas Street, Commercial > Road, Saint George , Middlesex 03 March 1817 ref: PROB 11/1590 > If this is your chap then it implies that Probate was granted while > the Syren was still on it's whaling voyage. I suppose it is possible, if > say James drowned at the Cape Verde islands or Madeira on the outbound > voyage, and news was passed via a returning ship. A copy of the Will > should help answer this - only A$6. > http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk<http://tinyurl.com/3tr8vnk> > > Again, care of the Jones books, some other items on the career of a > James Phillips are: > 10 Dec 1798 - crew on the General Boyd whaler, capt Howes Swain. > Phillips was line coiler. > 30 April 1799 - whaler Aurora, capt Stephen Macey; again as line > coiler. > 16 Oct 1809 - whaler Charles, no capt named; served as Boat Steerer > Also, the voyage of the Syren ended with its return to London on 4 > Dec 1818 (LL 8.12.1818) > > CM > > > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 9:16 PM, Chris Maxworthy > <cgmaxwor@gmail.com<mailto:cgmaxwor@gmail.com>> wrote: > > Peter, > I can help. The best reference for starting out on whaling > voyages in the South Seas is A.G.E. Jones two books, Ships Employed on the > South Seas Trade. Here's the ref to locate a Library near you that holds > the two sets > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12068443> > and > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/34743956>. > "Mac" Jones packed a lot of information into the two books that > were published by Roebuck Press, so it can take some time to gain the full > value of his research. Here is a part of what I found in the shipping > movements volume [with my translation in brackets]: > 1816 29.3 Deal 26 Syren Christie to SS. > [29 March 1816 issue of Lloyds List (LL) reports that the Syren, > commanded by Christie, departed Deal for the South Seas (SS) three days > earlier, on 26th] > > 1816 3.9. Syren to SS, all well, 14.5 x 3N. > [3 Sept 1816 issue of LL - steering for the South Seas - the > Syren is abeam of the Gulf of Guinea and about 200 miles SW of Sierra > Leone] > > 1818 17.2. Sir Charles Price at Downs from Timor, sld, 16 > Oct; left there Syren, Ranger, Ocean. Sir A. Hammond sld for England 10 > days before Sir C. Price. > [17 Feb 1818 issue of LL - The whaler Sir Charles Price, having > arrived back from her voyage to the South Seas reported that the Syren and > other whalers had been at Timor with her back in Oct 1817] > > A great source of LL Marine News is the digitized copies of LL > performed by Michael Dun. > go to > http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/<http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/> > Please note that AGE Jones also worked from the arrivals and > departures intelligence in LL.. At this time this is not fully available > in Michael's online resource - hence the possibility of Jones information > not being locatable Michael's site. > > Other works of relevance are: > John Cumpston's, Shipping arrivals and departures, Sydney, > 1788-1825, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/15987669> > > Robert Langdon; Where the whalers went : an index to the Pacific > ports and islands visited by American whalers, and some other ships, in > the 19th century, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/18113681> > > Richards, Rhys (three books): > Into the South Seas : the southern whale fishery comes of age on > the Brazil Banks, 1765 to 1812 : a review of the whaling activities of > American British, French, Spanish and Portuguese whalemen off Brazil and > Patagonia before 1812, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/31113824>; > Bay of Islands SAD [for NZ ship visits during 1803 to 1840's] > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/23446094> ; > and his more recent work > Tahiti and the Society Islands : shipping arrivals and > departures, 1767 to 1852, > http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183<http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/30829183> > > I'm working on the edited publication of a sailor narrative who > was a Mate and later Master of a whaler. Though he does not name the > Siren he names other whalers that were in company with your ship of > interest. I'm located in Sydney, so you can contact me offlist if you > have any specific questions. > regards > Chris Maxworthy > AAMH > > > <SNIP> Peter wrote: > Can anyone tell me what the best sources of > information/references are > available to research a whaler - The Syren. It was owned by C & S > Enderby > from London. Apart from any details on the ship itself, I am > most > interested in a voyage that left Portsmouth on Nov 25, 1817 under > Capt. > Christie to carry out whaling in the South Pacific off the > Chilean coast. My > GGGG Grandfather, James Phillips was a mate on this voyage but > unfortunately drowned on the voyage. (Poetic justice???? - maybe > but they > where different times ) > > If anyone on the Mariners list can give me pointers to find out > more > information about the ship and James Phillips I would be most > grateful. > > Regards > Peter Phillips > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3822 - Release Date: > 08/08/11 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/> > Version: 10.0.1392 / Virus Database: 1520/3826 - Release Date: 08/10/11 > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com> with > the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.1831 / Virus Database: 2092/4562 - Release Date: 10/19/11 >