Hi Peter, In 1876, taking wool to Australia must have been like Coals to Newcastle. Would this have been woolens i.e. woolen cloth or made-up goods? Graham (husband of Irene) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <klein84@btinternet.com> To: "kik" <laamia3@netvigator.com> Cc: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Borealis Hello Ian, I'm delighted you found the information useful. Just to add a little bit, Borealis was an interesting vessel in that she was presumably built according to Thomas Bilbe's patent method of composite ship construction (iron frames, and probably teak planking), a patent he had taken out in August 1856. While Borealis no longer survives, the remains of a similar vessel, built by Bilbe in the previous year 1863, the Coonatto, a three-masted ship later barque of 633 tons, is to be found on the rocks just off Beachy Head. Pictures that can be seen online show what now remains of the hull; and an old picture of the Coonatto at Adelaide is also shown, although her rigging will be a little different from the Borealis. Coonatto came to grief at Crowlink off Beachy Head in February 1876, on her way to Australia with a cargo of copper and wool. See the attached: http://www.wrecksite.eu/imgBrowser.aspx?1816 and: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwassell/2480350668/ and: http://www.vic.org.uk/edu/sitefs/sitefs3.htm Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: kik <laamia3@netvigator.com> To: klein84@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 4:16 Subject: Borealis Dear Peter, Thank you so much for the information about the Borealis. I received your detailed response about seven hours after I asked the question. Amazing - both you and the technology. I am really, really grateful. You will have noted the Hong Kong link (Borealis and me). BTW there is a present-day company 'Borealis Maritime' whom I had speculatively written to for information. Mr. Liam Murray was interested but had to tell me that they named their company - which has branches in Hong Kong and Shanghai - after the aurora borealis and had not known of the ship. Nonetheless, I have taken the liberty of passing on to Mr. Murray the information you sent me, particularly as 'my' Borealis was in a very real sense the forerunner of their own business activities. I am now going to search for any kind of picture depicting a vessel matching the profile you gave. Ian Walters 29 Ko Tong Village Sai Kung Hong Kong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Graham, My mistake.  You are absolutely right about the ship bringing in wool, and not sailing with it.  She was sailing from Adelaide to London, and my contemporary authority regarding wool was a report in the Huddersfield Daily Chronicle newspaper (30 March 1876, p.2), which ran a piece about arrivals of wool for the series of London Colonial Wool sales, and that the total from Adelaide had been 51,907 bales "exclusive of Coonatta".  Much I understand was salvaged from the wreck, but as to how much had been wool I could find no statement. My apologies for the slip. Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: Irene Read <irene.read4@btopenworld.com> To: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com>; mariners@rootsweb.com; kik <laamia3@netvigator.com> Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 13:28 Subject: Re: [MAR] Borealis Hi Peter, In 1876, taking wool to Australia must have been like Coals to Newcastle. Would this have been woolens i.e. woolen cloth  or made-up goods? Graham (husband of Irene) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Klein" <klein84@btinternet.com> To: "kik" <laamia3@netvigator.com> Cc: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Borealis Hello Ian, I'm delighted you found the information useful. Just to add a little bit, Borealis was an interesting vessel in that she was presumably built according to Thomas Bilbe's patent method of composite ship construction (iron frames, and probably teak planking), a patent he had taken out in August 1856. While Borealis no longer survives, the remains of a similar vessel, built by Bilbe in the previous year 1863, the Coonatto, a three-masted ship later barque of 633 tons, is to be found on the rocks just off Beachy Head. Pictures that can be seen online show what now remains of the hull; and an old picture of the Coonatto at Adelaide is also shown, although her rigging will be a little different from the Borealis. Coonatto came to grief at Crowlink off Beachy Head in February 1876, on her way to Australia with a cargo of copper and wool. See the attached: http://www.wrecksite.eu/imgBrowser.aspx?1816 and: http://www.flickr.com/photos/rwassell/2480350668/ and: http://www.vic.org.uk/edu/sitefs/sitefs3.htm Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: kik <laamia3@netvigator.com> To: klein84@btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, 5 October 2011, 4:16 Subject: Borealis Dear Peter, Thank you so much for the information about the Borealis. I received your detailed response about seven hours after I asked the question. Amazing - both you and the technology. I am really, really grateful. You will have noted the Hong Kong link (Borealis and me). BTW there is a present-day company 'Borealis Maritime' whom I had speculatively written to for information. Mr. Liam Murray was interested but had to tell me that they named their company - which has branches in Hong Kong and Shanghai - after the aurora borealis and had not known of the ship. Nonetheless, I have taken the liberty of passing on to Mr. Murray the information you sent me, particularly as 'my' Borealis was in a very real sense the forerunner of their own business activities. I am now going to search for any kind of picture depicting a vessel matching the profile you gave. Ian Walters 29 Ko Tong Village Sai Kung Hong Kong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message