Our old friend, John Stevenson, has provided me with the following. It seems all the evidence points to the RANGER coming to her end on the Goodwin Sands, and I have also sent the aberdeenships website the information collated by our members. Ron Mapplebeck -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [teesmaritime] STRANGE BUT TRUE? - was Re: [MAR] CHRISTIE'S SHIPPING REGISTER [was Re: The sinking of the'Ranger'] [2 Attachments] Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 15:23:47 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: johndee.ships@btinternet.com <johndee.ships@btinternet.com> Reply-To: teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com To: <teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com> CC: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com>, <teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from johndee.ships@btinternet.com included below] Good afternoon Ron, Have been following this thread closely over the past weeks for as you know my research interest is Scottish Maritime History . I have checked several Scottish newspapers of the time and have come up with nothing to confirm the loss of a vessel RANGER off the Aberdeen coast in or around September 1833.. What I have found I have attached . *These are extracts from the " CALEDONIAN MERCURY" newspaper of Edinburgh * Plus *Morning Chronicle 3/9/1833* *"The RANGER of Sunderland has been abandoned near to the Goodwin Sands "* ** *This message is repeated in C.M of same date* ** Have checked the ABERDEEN JOURNAL and ABERDEEN WEEKLY JOURNAL from 1/9/1833 to 30/12/1833 and there is no report on a vessel RANGER being lost on the NE Scotland coast. I consulted "Shipwrecks of N.E. Scotland " by David Ferguson , " Shipwrecks of the North of Scotland " by Bob Baird and what is the definitive book on Scottish shipwrecks , "Off Scotland " by Ian Whittaker . None of these list a RANGER lost off N.E Scotland in 1833. To make doubly sure have spoken to both Bob and Ian and they confirm while there are records of fourteen vessels (1773/1964) bearing this name having been lost around the Scottish coast there is no report of a loss in 1833. From this evidence I would say that there was only one vessel involved - that which was off Goodwin Sands. Perhaps Aberdeen Art Gallery & Museums just got their facts wrong !!!!!!!!! Trust this is of help and interest to you all Regards John John S.Stevenson Edinburgh Sunny spells, flat calm , 19C @15.00 /-------Original Message-------/ /*From:*/ Ron Mapplebeck <mailto:ron.mapplebeck1@virgin.net> /*Date:*/ 05/07/2011 12:55:49 /*Cc:*/ MARINERS@rootsweb.com <mailto:MARINERS@rootsweb.com>; teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com <mailto:teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com> /*Subject:*/ [teesmaritime] STRANGE BUT TRUE? - was Re: [MAR] CHRISTIE'S SHIPPING REGISTER [was Re: The sinking of the'Ranger'] It seems the story of the RANGER fits into the "strange but true" category! Susan has confirmed (off-list) that the documentation she has confirms her RANGER sinking off Aberdeen on 1 September 1833, and this is very much supported by the commemorative glass fully detailed at: http://www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?index=115108&shipid=100687 <http://www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?index=115108&shipid=100687> This leaves the following as being "strange but true" coincidences: Same ship name (RANGER), Same type of vessel (schooner), Same date of loss/abandonment (1 September 1833), Same port of registry (Sunderland - Peter found another item relative to the schooner at Dover), Owner/master (Christie - also a master mariner - as owner of the RANGER lost off Aberdeen, Christie as master of the RANGER abandoned off Calais). I suppose it might just be possible that the journalists reporting the Calais/Dover vessel got their ship particulars mixed up with the other RANGER through her loss arising at exactly the same time!? It would be of great interest if anyone could further fill out the details of both vessels. In the meantime it would still be of equal interest to know more about the John Christie who compiled the shipping registers (for north-east England). Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 01/07/2011 00:31, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > This may be of no direct relevance to Susan's enquiry, but I turned to > the 1858 edition of Christie's Shipping Register online, link to this on > Mariners' at: > http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/Lloyds_on_line.html > > I wanted to check if her John Christie was still showing among > Sunderland shipowners by that time, but there appears to be no trace. > (In the light of Peter's subsequent reply of the abandoned RANGER being > taken into Dover, was the Christie given as master this same John, or > some other relative? As Susan has contemporaneous correspondence it > seems he [and the rest of the crew] may have been found, rescued, or > reached shore separately?) > > I was intrigued to note that this particular Register, which is of local > interest to me as I live just down the coast in Middlesbrough (UK), was > compiled by a John Christie but from an address in Newcastle (by 1858). > Just wondered who he actually was, as I do not see him listed otherwise > as having any shipping interest on the Tyne? Indeed, might he be the > same John Christie as Susan's relative? > > I am copying this onto the TEESMARITIME Yahoo! forum in case anyone in > this neck of the woods knows the answer. (I also append Peter's response > for their further information.) > > Ron Mapplebeck > **** > On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: >> I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the >> schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship >> dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the >> letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives >> from Sunderland, UK. >> >> I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >> . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of >> Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. >> Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? >> >> This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for >> the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm >> suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was >> this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would >> there only be one of these made? >> >> I welcome any information. >> Many thanks, >> >> Susan Enns >> Canada. > ***** > The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the 8th > September 1833: "The Late Gales. The Ranger schooner, Christie, > master, was > brought in this morning (Dover), having been discovered on the 2nd inst. > by the > smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5 miles from Calais, driving westwards > towards the > French coast. No person whatever was on board, and she had lost both > anchors, > and the pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become > of the > crew." > > Regards, > > PK > ***** FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! 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