Edie >Defiance 8/7/1796 -10/11/1798 Per Rif Winfield's British Warships in the Age of Sail 1793-1817, the Defiance was operating in the English Channel during the period in question and was off Portsmouth in 1797 and present during the Mutiny at Spithead - see. http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Vol_II/P_023.html >Tigress 23/12/1798 -10/6/1799 Regret nothing on this vessel although I note that from Aug thru' to Oct the vessel was employed on the expedition to Holland : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/T/04695.html >Pearl 27/7/1799 -31/10/1801 See: http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/P/03413.html >Foudroyant 1/11/1801 - 7/12/1801 Was hardly on board a dog watch so probably being taken to join the Massina / Messina regret I can find no trace of an RN vessel with this or a similar name. If you can send me a copy of the Certificate of Service I'll see if I can offer an opinion regarding what the name might be. >Calcutta 21/11/1802 - 11/6/1804 May 1802 - Feb 1803 the Calcutta was fitted out at Chatham as a Convict Ship and sailed for Port Phillip (the one down your way), 25 Apr 1803, and was back in the UK by 24 July 1804. >Crescent 27/8/1804 - 19/2/1806 Service in the North Sea. >Alert 18/4/1806- 31/7/1807 Also appears to have served in the North Sea and surrounding area. The Alert was a converted collier, about which probably the less said the better. T.B. was a major problem in the RN right up to the end of WWII, what with inadequate ventilation and damp living conditions, and even when I left the service some 30 years ago we had to go for our annual chest x-ray to make sure we were clear. There were few, if any apprenticeships, in the RN or RM : one learnt a trade in one of the dockyards or elsewhere before joining the service. There was little or no possibility of having a master and servant relationship, as required by indentures for apprentices. It wasn't until much later in the 19th Century that apprenticeships were introduced into the RN in the Engineering and later in the Electrical Branches. That said many men learned a trade on board ship and suitable men might be allocated to the Sailmaker's or Cooper's Crew etc., when they joined a ship, but these trades were not usually available to Royal Marines, but that said it would appear that some RM personnel may well served as lamp trimmers, one of those trades which sounds simple, but when you are living on board a wooden ship with straw for live-stock, and gunpowder etc. there is far more to it than just trimming the lamps. Paul On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 08:48:44 +1000, "Edie McArthur" <ediemc@bigpond.com> wrote: >Hi >I have several Ships my son in laws ancestor James Bryan of Somerset, served on between the years shown below. I have no idea where they served and what battle and wondered if anyone can help me with this please. This information came from the Greenwich Hospital Pensioner discharge from the Royal Marines paper. I am now waiting for the papers from the National Archives Kew of James Bryans son, Silas Bryan. He attended the Greenwich Hospital School. > >As yet I haven't found any other full record but as James was 27 when he was discahrged Consumptive in 1808 to the Greenwich Hospital, he would have been aout 15 when he joined the royal Marines. Would he have apprenticeship papers or was that necessary > >Defiance 8/7/1796 -10/11/1798 >Tigress 23/12/1798 -10/6/1799 >Pearl 27/7/1799 -31/10/1801 >Foudroyant 1/11/1801 - 7/12/1801 >Massina 8/12/1801 - 13/9/1802 >Calcutta 21/11/1802 - 11/6/1804 >Crescent 27/8/1804 - 19/2/1806 >Alert 18/4/1806- 31/7/1807 > >Thanks >Edie > > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html