Hi all, In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. Thank`s in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Hi Joe SARACA O.N 76797 never carried the name Simpatia. I can find only one Simpatia, built as Sirius by Russell & Co Port Glasgow, she was renamed Simpatia in 1932 (see Clyde Built Ships). Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe McMillan To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA

Hi Joe, The only Simpatia I can find in the registers is an Italian bargue, built 1874 at Sestria Ponente and owned by M. Pallezzo, Genoa. She still appears in the 1900 register registered in Italy. Saraca built 1877 by Birrell at Dumbarton, owned by McPherson, Glasgow. By 1892 she was French owned and registered in Nantes. No Saroca listed. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe McMillan" <joemac@internode.on.net> To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA > > Hi all, > In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a > photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo > state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. > I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by > Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to > whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. > The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted > to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. > Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. > Thank`s in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3738 - Release Date: 07/01/11 18:34:00

Morning Joe, Managed to find the following in 1894-95 Lloyds: SIMPATIA ex ANGELO PADRE, ex DEIVA Barque 711 tons 164.3 ft x 32.1 ft x 20.4 ft 1 deck Capt. Schiffano Built : A. Briasco Fu GB at Sestri Ponente in 1871 Ownwers : G. Dall'orso di And Registered at Spezia. Since 'simpatia' means friendship or community or together etc. I'm surprised that the name wasn't more common. There are a couple of entries in the New York Times web site but for some annoying reason I was unable to get the year to show. 'Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Captain Scotto arrived 42 days from Seville with mdse. Vessel to Funch, Edye & Co.' 'Wed. July 2nd. Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Capt. Diamonico arrived 120 days from Cagliari with salt. To Slocovitch & Co.' Hope this is the right vessel. Does the photograph show a barque? Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joe McMillan Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA Hi all, In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. Thank`s in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

Hi Colin, Thank`s for that info on SIMPATIA.It looks like the San Francisco museum collection has the wrong details on this ship.The photo is of a 3 masted barque so your ship is most probably the correct one. Pity it was not Dumbarton built, that is my main interest,i collect photos of ships built there. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Boyd" <colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk> To: "Joe McMillan" <joemac@internode.on.net>; <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 7:22 PM Subject: RE: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA Morning Joe, Managed to find the following in 1894-95 Lloyds: SIMPATIA ex ANGELO PADRE, ex DEIVA Barque 711 tons 164.3 ft x 32.1 ft x 20.4 ft 1 deck Capt. Schiffano Built : A. Briasco Fu GB at Sestri Ponente in 1871 Ownwers : G. Dall'orso di And Registered at Spezia. Since 'simpatia' means friendship or community or together etc. I'm surprised that the name wasn't more common. There are a couple of entries in the New York Times web site but for some annoying reason I was unable to get the year to show. 'Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Captain Scotto arrived 42 days from Seville with mdse. Vessel to Funch, Edye & Co.' 'Wed. July 2nd. Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Capt. Diamonico arrived 120 days from Cagliari with salt. To Slocovitch & Co.' Hope this is the right vessel. Does the photograph show a barque? Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joe McMillan Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA Hi all, In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. Thank`s in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.