Hi Adi Probably consular records again, at the National Archives, and they're unlikely to be online. If you can track down the Crew Agreement for the voyage, it should contain an endorsement by the consul to the effect that so-and-so was discharged at such and such a place by reason of sickness or injury and that the master had deposited a sum to cover his hospital expenses. That's assuming that the port in question had a consul. SOMEONE would have had to have signed him off the ship, but if there was no consul then there probably isn't a record. I know that the ship's original papers would have been lost with the vessel, but there was a system by 1910 at least whereby copies of changes to the original agreement were forwarded to the BoT so that they could reconstruct the crew list for a missing vessel. Not sure whether this was the case in 1863 though. I'm also not sure whether records for individual cases would have survived; I did look through some consular records for 1906 and there were all sorts of letters there - but obviously only for the cases where it was necessary for the consul to write a letter. If the chap went to hospital, got better, was discharged and got another job I wouldn't expect him to show up. If he had to be repatriated, though, there might be something on it. You might be able to work out which port/consulate it was by tracking the vessel's route through Lloyd's List. Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mme_N_Carmichael Sent: 27 July 2011 16:56 To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Records? on English Seamen Hospitalized Ashore in ForeignCountries. Dear all,   Concurrent with my other query about naval courts, I'm wondering where to look for records of injured English seamen left behind in foreign ports. This would have happened in Nov./Dec. of 1863 somewhere in the Eastern Mediterranean. Would it have been reported to the nearest Consul? That supposedly unlucky first mate turned out to be the only survivor of the ship which left him behind.   Regards, Adi ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Piers,   Thank you for the reply. That's what I had thought.   The mate had "fallen from the top-mast to the deck and broken his leg." No detail on whether it was a simple break or compound fracture, so no idea of how long to recuperate. Also no idea of whether he was repatriated or made his own way back home. I suspect the latter, because when he walked into the shipowner's office "some months later" that was the first news received of the ship's last movements (she had been 'tramping' about the Med and Black Seas). Though one wonders why he didn't telegraph.   Richard Keys gives the last reported movement as "not been seen since leaving Enos on 26 December 1863, bound for Malta." Another source says she loaded with wheat somewhere in the Black Sea and headed for England. (Enos is in Romania, 125 miles west of Constantinople isn't it?)   Regards, Adi --- On Wed, 7/27/11, Piers Smith-Cresswell <piers@ps-c.demon.co.uk> wrote: Probably consular records again, at the National Archives, and they're unlikely to be online.  If you can track down the Crew Agreement for the voyage, it should contain an endorsement by the consul to the effect that so-and-so was discharged at such and such a place by reason of sickness or injury and that the master had deposited a sum to cover his hospital expenses.  That's assuming that the port in question had a consul.  SOMEONE would have had to have signed him off the ship, but if there was no consul then there probably isn't a record. I know that the ship's original papers would have been lost with the vessel, but there was a system by 1910 at least whereby copies of changes to the original agreement were forwarded to the BoT so that they could reconstruct the crew list for a missing vessel.  Not sure whether this was the case in 1863 though.  I'm also not sure whether records for individual cases would have survived; I did look through some consular records for 1906 and there were all sorts of letters there - but obviously only for the cases where it was necessary for the consul to write a letter.  If the chap went to hospital, got better, was discharged and got another job I wouldn't expect him to show up.  If he had to be repatriated, though, there might be something on it. You might be able to work out which port/consulate it was by tracking the vessel's route through Lloyd's List. Cheers Piers