Hello Mariner enthusiasts I hope someone out there can head me in the right direction. I have absolutely no knowledge about sailing ships but I have 3 generations of Thomas Kemps 1,2, & 3 that were mariners out of Liverpool (1770's to 1870's) and all eventually achieved their Master Mariner Certificates. I am only able to confirm the names of the last Capt. Kemp #3's ships. The Creamore and the Lord John Russell (1850-1854) Barracuda #21,005 (1858-1863); Merrie Olde England (1863-1864). My problem is How can I find out what ships Captains #1 and #2 commanded and also how can I find out if any of these ships have any interesting stories (shipwrecks, mutinies etc.) connected with them? Also how can I find out when each of these three men acquired their Master mariner certificates and their numbers? Michelle Wilson Vermont USA

KEMP, Thomas, b.Liverpool 1820 C30787 Liverpool 1850 vol.9 1851-1864; vol.51 no voyages listed. KEMP, Thomas Henry b.. Liverpool 1853 C05868 changed to 09614 vol.36 Liverpool 1879 The above are from http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsk.pdf You need to find the nearest place where you can look up the Lloyds Captains Register(s) quoted above a vol.. They give the ships names and year that they will have been on the ships. But not the voyages You say they had master's certificates, then apply to http://www.nmm.ac.uk/upload/pdf/masters_certificate_order_form.pdf when they took their examination(s) Mate and Master they had to complete "An Application to be examined" form, which listed their seatime needed to take the exam. Often from Apprentice to mate's exam, and then from Mate to Master's Exam. These applications, if they have survived come with the certificate(s) you order. The certificate numbers are the same for Mate and Master, unless they lost their original see the change from 05868 to 09614 Regards Bryan www.swanseamariners,org.uk

Hello Michelle, Further to Bryan's posting, the only Thomas Kemp appearing in the Mercantile Navy Lists during the mid 19th-century passed his examination as a Master 1st Class in 1850 at Liverpool, certificate #2797. Certification had only started in November 1845, so before that a master would have served his apprenticeship in the old-fashioned way. I am assuming therefore that this Thomas Kemp is probably your #3, apparently born in 1820 The 1853 MNL lists him as master of the Creamore, bound from London to North America. He was still the only certificated master named Thomas Kemp when listed in the MNL for 1864. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Michelle Wilson <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com> To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Maritime Museum-Liverpool <Maritime.history@nmgm.org> Sent: Friday, 15 July, 2011 13:21:59 Subject: [MAR] Ship Information Hello Mariner enthusiasts I hope someone out there can head me in the right direction. I have absolutely no knowledge about sailing ships but I have 3 generations of Thomas Kemps 1,2, & 3 that were mariners out of Liverpool (1770's to 1870's) and all eventually achieved their Master Mariner Certificates. I am only able to confirm the names of the last Capt. Kemp #3's ships. The Creamore and the Lord John Russell (1850-1854) Barracuda #21,005 (1858-1863); Merrie Olde England (1863-1864). My problem is How can I find out what ships Captains #1 and #2 commanded and also how can I find out if any of these ships have any interesting stories (shipwrecks, mutinies etc.) connected with them? Also how can I find out when each of these three men acquired their Master mariner certificates and their numbers? Michelle Wilson Vermont USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Michelle, Further to my last, it appears that Creamore was sailing under the command of a captain Kemp from as early as 1848, when she set sail for Newfoundland on June 15th. They again sailed for Newfoundland on December 17th, in the same year; and then again on July 27, 1852 (these are all references from the Liverpool Mercury). It seems possible therefore the Thomas Kemp was already an experienced master before his certification in 1850, unless he had succeeded to the command from a related namesake. The Lord John Russell also sailed for Pernambuco from Liverpool under a Kemp in late August 1852, but whether this would have allowed enough time for him to get back from Newfoundland seems uncertain. It is plausible that more than than one member of the Kemp family was commanding these ships at this time. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Michelle Wilson <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com> To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Cc: Maritime Museum-Liverpool <Maritime.history@nmgm.org> Sent: Friday, 15 July, 2011 13:21:59 Subject: [MAR] Ship Information Hello Mariner enthusiasts I hope someone out there can head me in the right direction. I have absolutely no knowledge about sailing ships but I have 3 generations of Thomas Kemps 1,2, & 3 that were mariners out of Liverpool (1770's to 1870's) and all eventually achieved their Master Mariner Certificates. I am only able to confirm the names of the last Capt. Kemp #3's ships. The Creamore and the Lord John Russell (1850-1854) Barracuda #21,005 (1858-1863); Merrie Olde England (1863-1864). My problem is How can I find out what ships Captains #1 and #2 commanded and also how can I find out if any of these ships have any interesting stories (shipwrecks, mutinies etc.) connected with them? Also how can I find out when each of these three men acquired their Master mariner certificates and their numbers? Michelle Wilson Vermont USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message