I want to thank you all for your earnest attempts to clarify this story. I too am very impressed how well the collective voice of the Mariner's List managed to affect Maritime History and so quickly! My gratitude goes out to all who contributed to this mystery. Regards, Susan Enns On 6-Jul-11, at 7:55 AM, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > This is how Susan started an enthralling thread less than a week ago! > > Thanks to input specifically from Peter Klein, Adi Carmichael, and > John Stevenson, but also from sighting the actual documentation held > by Susan herself, we have satisfied the Aberdeen Museum that the > RANGER was, in fact, lost on the Goodwin Sands, not off Aberdeen. > > This means the inscription on the rummer glass is, for some strange > reason, wrong. > > To me this demonstrates the collective resources utilised by our > listers in many ways to clarify matters of maritime history often, > as in this case, now many years in the past - with the ability to > correct factual errors which arise from time to time. > > Well done MARINERS' LIST and all concerned. > > Ron Mapplebeck > ***** > On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: >> I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the >> schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship >> dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the >> letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives >> from Sunderland, UK. >> >> I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >> . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of >> Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. >> Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? >> >> This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for >> the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm >> suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was >> this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would >> there only be one of these made? >> >> I welcome any information. >> Many thanks, >> >> Susan Enns >> Canada. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >>

Hello Susan and List,   Two odd thoughts in postscript.   1) I don't recollect seeing whence the museum acquired the glass. If it were locally (Aberdeen) , rather than from Sunderland, that might support the idea that it had been rejected by the customer because of the error in casualty place name, but, for whatever reason, wasn't destroyed (too pretty?).   2) It may have been too expensive a momento to have redone correctly, so the error stands, to confuse and confound historians for decades to come. We've had a similar story here on The Mariners List just two months ago. A lady got basic information from a tombstone and wrote here seeking more information on the S.S. BENNINGTON. It was a tough go at first, but easy to find information after Mick correctly named the ship S.S. BERRINGTON. Possibly the stonecutter had trouble reading the handwriting on the order?   Regards, Adi   --- On Wed, 7/6/11, Susan Enns <bellenns@rogers.com> wrote: From: Susan Enns <bellenns@rogers.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] SOLVED! Re: The sinking of the 'Ranger' To: "Ron Mapplebeck" <ron.mapplebeck1@virgin.net> Cc: MARINERS@rootsweb.com, "John Stevenson" <johndee.ships@btinternet.com>, teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com, "Meredith Greiling" <MGreiling@aberdeencity.gov.uk> Received: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 8:12 AM I want to thank you all for your earnest attempts to clarify this  story. I too am very impressed how well the collective voice of the  Mariner's List managed to affect Maritime History and so quickly! My gratitude goes out to all who contributed to this mystery. Regards, Susan Enns On 6-Jul-11, at 7:55 AM, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > This is how Susan started an enthralling thread less than a week ago! > > Thanks to input specifically from Peter Klein, Adi Carmichael, and  > John Stevenson, but also from sighting the actual documentation held  > by Susan herself, we have satisfied the Aberdeen Museum that the  > RANGER was, in fact, lost on the Goodwin Sands, not off Aberdeen. > > This means the inscription on the rummer glass is, for some strange  > reason, wrong. > > To me this demonstrates the collective resources utilised by our  > listers in many ways to clarify matters of maritime history often,  > as in this case, now many years in the past - with the ability to  > correct factual errors which arise from time to time. > > Well done MARINERS' LIST and all concerned. > > Ron Mapplebeck > ***** > On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: >> I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the >> schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship >> dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the >> letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives >> from Sunderland, UK. >> >> I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >>   . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of >> Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. >> Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? >> >> This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for >> the schooner was made with the markings of J&  B Christie. I'm >> suspecting these initials represent  John and Barbara CHRISTIE.  Was >> this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would >> there only be one of these made? >> >> I welcome any information. >> Many thanks, >> >> Susan Enns >> Canada. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com >>  with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and  >> the body of the message >> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message