on 27 Jul 2011 Alex wrote: Up at this moment what we have, Marcil tells that this vessel was contracted in 1860 to be named Bridget, and was completed by 1861. It would shade some light if it was possible to learn who was the first contracted buyer. It may seem that the sale did not succeed, since we see the vessel calling at New York as the Budget. At this pont the vessel arrives at Liverpool, as Budget (?), and it is registered as Colombo, the clerk registers the former name as the Bridget, this may be because some document indicated the name the vessel was first launched as Bridget. And this could be the only explanation I can thing of. However other documentations indicate the name as Budget, so we are two documentations to three. The Bengal book, confirms that the vessel was lost and the obvious date. An entry from the Glasgow Herald ties (finally), the name of Evans as master of the lost Colombo, but gives exactly what the Lloyd's List gives:- ship Colombo, no news. So I think that more data can be found for this vessel, to help out with the dilemma Bridget/Budget, and our friend Edie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Today I had a chance to look out the original registration papers of ON 37096 in the National Archives. These are the contemporary copies from the register books in Quebec and Liverpool which were sent to the Registrar General (who was also the compiler of the Mercantile Navy List). We were reminded earlier today that no documentary source can be assumed to be completely error free - but this is what I found: The Quebec registration [ref BT 108/290 & 109/912] was clearly in the name BUDGET - the name appears twice on the register transcript as well as on some other papers: 933 tons 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0ft ship rigged completed 8/5/1861 in Quebec (wood) [in the 1860s the builder was not shown on the transcripts] 4/6/1861 registered at Quebec (No 15/1861) in name of Hyppolite Dubord, Quebec, shipowner 24/12/1863 sold at Liverpool to a foreign subject (after a mortgage had been discharged on 18/12/1863) 11/1/1864 register closed as "sold to foreigner" The Liverpool registration [ref BT 108/81 & 109/78,86] gives her previous name as BUDGET [that is what I would expect, as the Quebec registration certificate would probably have been produced in Liverpool]: [technical description as above] ex-foreign as COLOMBO and previously BUDGET (Quebec) "sold foreign 5/5/1862 [this date looks odd] by Matthew J Wilson, attorney for H Dubord, under certificate of sale of 13/6/1861" 24/12/1863 registered at Liverpool (No 520/1863) in names of William Thompson Dixon and Edward Williams Wynne, both Liverpool merchants, with 28/64ths each, and William Henry Belcher, Cork, master mariner, with 8/64ths. 4/1/1866 register closed as "lost at Calcutta in October 1864" That's all from that source. David

That is great David thankyou. it is becoming cleareer all of the time especially since it is mentioned she was lost at Calcutta 1864. So long as there is a reference to her as being called the Colombo, otherwise she could be any of the 175 vessels lost at Calcutta 1864. I can see why the ship was called the Budget if the sail had fallen through as the Bridget, because the budget wouldnt stretch enough to purchase her. Too expensive. Thanks Edie ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Asprey" <dasprey@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Colombo/Budget/Bridget > on 27 Jul 2011 Alex wrote: > > Up at this moment what we have, Marcil tells that this vessel was > contracted > in 1860 to be named Bridget, and was completed by 1861. It would shade > some > light if it was possible to learn who was the first contracted buyer. It > may > seem that the sale did not succeed, since we see the vessel calling at New > York as the Budget. > At this pont the vessel arrives at Liverpool, as Budget (?), and it is > registered as Colombo, the clerk registers the former name as the Bridget, > this may be because some document indicated the name the vessel was first > launched as Bridget. And this could be the only explanation I can thing > of. > However other documentations indicate the name as Budget, so we are two > documentations to three. > The Bengal book, confirms that the vessel was lost and the obvious date. > An entry from the Glasgow Herald ties (finally), the name of Evans as > master > of the lost Colombo, but gives exactly what the Lloyd's List gives:- ship > Colombo, no news. > So I think that more data can be found for this vessel, to help out with > the > dilemma Bridget/Budget, and our friend Edie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Today I had a chance to look out the original registration papers of ON > 37096 in the National Archives. These are the contemporary copies from > the > register books in Quebec and Liverpool which were sent to the Registrar > General (who was also the compiler of the Mercantile Navy List). We were > reminded earlier today that no documentary source can be assumed to be > completely error free - but this is what I found: > > The Quebec registration [ref BT 108/290 & 109/912] was clearly in the name > BUDGET - the name appears twice on the register transcript as well as on > some other papers: > > 933 tons 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0ft ship rigged > completed 8/5/1861 in Quebec (wood) [in the 1860s the builder was not > shown > on the transcripts] > 4/6/1861 registered at Quebec (No 15/1861) in name of Hyppolite Dubord, > Quebec, shipowner > 24/12/1863 sold at Liverpool to a foreign subject (after a mortgage had > been > discharged on 18/12/1863) > 11/1/1864 register closed as "sold to foreigner" > > The Liverpool registration [ref BT 108/81 & 109/78,86] gives her previous > name as BUDGET [that is what I would expect, as the Quebec registration > certificate would probably have been produced in Liverpool]: > > [technical description as above] > ex-foreign as COLOMBO and previously BUDGET (Quebec) > "sold foreign 5/5/1862 [this date looks odd] by Matthew J Wilson, attorney > for H Dubord, under certificate of sale of 13/6/1861" > 24/12/1863 registered at Liverpool (No 520/1863) in names of William > Thompson Dixon and Edward Williams Wynne, both Liverpool merchants, with > 28/64ths each, and William Henry Belcher, Cork, master mariner, with > 8/64ths. > 4/1/1866 register closed as "lost at Calcutta in October 1864" > > That's all from that source. > > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi David, This is the first account I was sent from Rootschat. From all of the news accounts of the Colombo, she was never heard of again, so it must have sunk. I think the Bengal newspaper the "Englishman" may give some good accounts if anyone can get into there. Maybe about the other 174 vessels that were wreced or were sunk as well. this cyclone is very interesing. I was reading surviving Masters accounts last night from a book n line. One mentions seeing a birht Meteor in th sky jsut before and a family commented they had experienced an earthquake just before. The lull before the sorms were mentioned as it happened several time before the Storm Wave 30 to 40 ft high came. Spooky stuff. Now I know what the Calm before the Storm means. Edie The Bristol Mercury of Saturday October 7 1865: Birth, death, marriage notices. Deaths October 5, 1864 (so one year earlier?) , Captain Robert Evans, of the ship Colombo, of the port of Liverpool, which was lost in the cyclone at Calcutta on the above date. There is an earlier account which may be the same ship but that gives a date of 24 Feb 1865 ( I assume) and which says that the captain, carpenter and two seamen were washed overboard in a cyclone. That account said that the ship had stayed afloat, just but had lost just about everything on its deck and was close to sinking. Stu ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Asprey" <dasprey@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 29, 2011 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Colombo/Budget/Bridget > on 27 Jul 2011 Alex wrote: > > Up at this moment what we have, Marcil tells that this vessel was > contracted > in 1860 to be named Bridget, and was completed by 1861. It would shade > some > light if it was possible to learn who was the first contracted buyer. It > may > seem that the sale did not succeed, since we see the vessel calling at New > York as the Budget. > At this pont the vessel arrives at Liverpool, as Budget (?), and it is > registered as Colombo, the clerk registers the former name as the Bridget, > this may be because some document indicated the name the vessel was first > launched as Bridget. And this could be the only explanation I can thing > of. > However other documentations indicate the name as Budget, so we are two > documentations to three. > The Bengal book, confirms that the vessel was lost and the obvious date. > An entry from the Glasgow Herald ties (finally), the name of Evans as > master > of the lost Colombo, but gives exactly what the Lloyd's List gives:- ship > Colombo, no news. > So I think that more data can be found for this vessel, to help out with > the > dilemma Bridget/Budget, and our friend Edie. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > Today I had a chance to look out the original registration papers of ON > 37096 in the National Archives. These are the contemporary copies from > the > register books in Quebec and Liverpool which were sent to the Registrar > General (who was also the compiler of the Mercantile Navy List). We were > reminded earlier today that no documentary source can be assumed to be > completely error free - but this is what I found: > > The Quebec registration [ref BT 108/290 & 109/912] was clearly in the name > BUDGET - the name appears twice on the register transcript as well as on > some other papers: > > 933 tons 170.0 x 35.2 x 21.0ft ship rigged > completed 8/5/1861 in Quebec (wood) [in the 1860s the builder was not > shown > on the transcripts] > 4/6/1861 registered at Quebec (No 15/1861) in name of Hyppolite Dubord, > Quebec, shipowner > 24/12/1863 sold at Liverpool to a foreign subject (after a mortgage had > been > discharged on 18/12/1863) > 11/1/1864 register closed as "sold to foreigner" > > The Liverpool registration [ref BT 108/81 & 109/78,86] gives her previous > name as BUDGET [that is what I would expect, as the Quebec registration > certificate would probably have been produced in Liverpool]: > > [technical description as above] > ex-foreign as COLOMBO and previously BUDGET (Quebec) > "sold foreign 5/5/1862 [this date looks odd] by Matthew J Wilson, attorney > for H Dubord, under certificate of sale of 13/6/1861" > 24/12/1863 registered at Liverpool (No 520/1863) in names of William > Thompson Dixon and Edward Williams Wynne, both Liverpool merchants, with > 28/64ths each, and William Henry Belcher, Cork, master mariner, with > 8/64ths. > 4/1/1866 register closed as "lost at Calcutta in October 1864" > > That's all from that source. > > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >