Whilst the index to marine news is as given http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/lloydslist/ I've started to scan the marine news from 1816 back to 1793 so far 1816 -1803 completed at http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography At 01:00 04/06/2011 -0600, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: William HILL - Master Mariner (Piers Smith-Cresswell) > 2. Tony Thompson (Tony Thompson) > 3. Trinity House Pilots (Rpelliott2@aol.com) > 4. Re: Bullard King and Co (Neville Rasmussen) > 5. Trinity House Pilots (AndyCAdams@aol.com) > 6. Gale Library Week access to historical newspapers (Rhonda Staskow) > 7. Re: Crossing the Line (Hwabz@aol.com) > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >Message: 1 >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 15:24:48 +0100 >From: "Piers Smith-Cresswell" <piers@ps-c.demon.co.uk> >Subject: Re: [MAR] William HILL - Master Mariner >To: "'Hughes, Lynden M'" <Lynden.Hughes@mottmac.com>, > <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <F47818B7D43342E395893B2C0D20A469@athlon> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >Dear Lynden > >I can't see that anyone else has replied to you so will see if I can help. > >You are right that from the mid 19th century onwards, master mariners are >well documented and that before then it is rather more of a struggle - >though I haven't tried to research anyone from that time myself. > >The Mariners research guide >http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKMerchantNavyIndex.html suggests that prior to >1845, Masters and Mates should appear in the registers of seamen. >Therefore, that would seem to be a good place to start. From 1835 (by which >time he may of course have been dead) there may be crew agreements available >if you can find the names of any of his ships. > >Another possible source of information is the Times newspaper, which had >shipping pages for many years. Many local libraries in the UK, including >West Sussex libraries, subscribe to the Times archives 1785-1985 (which are >different to the archive of today's paper) and you should find that you can >access it from home using your library card number to log on: >http://tinyurl.com/3uxnq6a . > >A number of libraries (NOT West Sussex, as far as I can see) also subscribe >to Gale's 19th Century British newspapers collection. This can be excellent >for shipping information if you can get access via an institution which has >a subscription. > >Lloyd's List, which may be available in maritime museums and the like, is a >shipping newspaper with detailed movements of vessels, and news on >casualties. Unfortunately the index is by name of vessel, so you need to >know that to avoid having to read reams (though I see there is an online >index for news items at http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/lloydslist/ ). You >might try Lloyd's Register, a number of which have been scanned and are >online via http://maritimearchives.co.uk/Registers.aspx . I'm not sure that >I would rely absolutely on the name search - I found a number of Hills in >1825 but none in 1827, so I'd be inclined to suggest you should look through >a few years to see if you can find him. > >As to your second question, I think he could have been more or less the same >age as her, possibly only a year or two older. By the time that >examinations came in, rather after the time you're dealing with, it was >possible to find masters in their early twenties, having done three or four >years at sea and two and a half years in charge of a watch before they could >get their master's "ticket". If they'd gone to sea at 14, and been in more >or less continuous employment since, it would have been feasible for a 21 >year old to be a fully qualified master, though I would guesstimate that 23 >or so might be more the average. You are dealing with an earlier period, >without the bureaucratic requirements of set times at sea, so I would have >thought that it could in theory be possible for someone even younger to >become a master. > >You mentioned that you were not clear as to his date of death. Are you sure >this is not mentioned in the Grant of Probate - it usually is? > >Cheers >Piers > >-----Original Message----- >From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] >On Behalf Of Hughes, Lynden M >Sent: 01 April 2011 17:20 >To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MAR] William HILL - Master Mariner > > >Dear List, > >This is my first foray onto the list, and I am hoping that you will be able >to offer some advice to a novice maritime researcher. > >My ancestor, William Edmund (sometimes Edmond) HILL, claims to have been a >"Master Mariner" in the first half of the 19th Century. This appears on his >children's baptism entries and on his will. > >He seems to have died sometime between January 1832 (when his will was >written), and March 1840 (when his will was proved). > >I have two questions: > >Firstly, in general, where can I look to find more details? There appears >to be masses of records after 1845 / 1851, but very little before 1840, and >I am stuck as to where and how to start. > >Secondly, he married in 1821. His bride was aged 21 or 22. Given that he >was a "Master Mariner" in 1825 (on the register of his first child's birth), >is it likely that he was the same age, or is it more probable that he was >considerably older? As a rough guide, at what age would you expect to find >someone becoming a "Master"? > >Finally, if anyone has any specific knowledge of this Mariner, probably >sailing out of the docks of London, (his wife and children were resident in >the Commercial Road area of Ratcliff), I would be extremely pleased to hear >from you. > >Any thoughts or advice very gratefully received. > >Lynden Hughes >West Sussex, UK > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:48:44 +0100 >From: "Tony Thompson" <apttony@aol.com> >Subject: [MAR] Tony Thompson >To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <004701cbf3a8$f26d5d60$d7481820$@com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > >I'm trying to find Tony Thompson who was a captain on Cosag Marine's MV >Bembridge in 1974 - 1975. His full name is Anthony William Ian Thompson. > >I'd like to hear from anybody who knows anything about him. > >Thanks > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:52:37 -0400 (EDT) >From: Rpelliott2@aol.com >Subject: [MAR] Trinity House Pilots >To: mariners-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <62c46.32c32321.3acc94c5@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Hello Listers > >This is probably a search too far - but I know there are experts amongst >you ! I am trying to find out who the pilot was onboard the Trinity House >yacht or cutter that accompanied the Royal Yacht ( Victoria and Albert >III ?) >into Immingham for the official opening of the docks by King George V on 22 >July 1912. >Would you know if Trinity House may have a record ? >Which newspaper would have reported the event ? >Any help very much appreciated. > >Best regards >Roy Elliott > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 18:22:49 +0200 >From: "Neville Rasmussen" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> >Subject: Re: [MAR] Bullard King and Co >To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com>, "Ted Finch" > <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> >Message-ID: <D4A8FE0E672B4C8EBC7412F9BF721B62@homestudy> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=response > >Ted Hi! >Thanx for the info, I will definately follow up on those sites, however >since I posted the query I have been poking though a box of stuff from my >dad and came across an envelope that I had not touched for years and hey >presto out came his apprentiship contract, which was with Bullard King, but >he compeleted his time in a Union Castle ship (same company by then) the >Roxburgh Castle in 1938. The contract has survived well but then it was >printed on linen! > >I know that he was with BK ships on the Banana boats between India and East >Africa the Cape and the UK and then moved to Ellerman Line > >I have his watchkeeping certificate for the period from December 1939 to >June 1941 aboard the City of Worcester (Elleman , Hall Line), when he left >the MN to join the Navy for wartime service. > >What I don't have is where he served from May 1938 to December 1939 if this >time was still on the Roxburg or the City of Worcester. > >Neville > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ted Finch" <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> >To: "Neville Rasmussen" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> >Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 2:23 PM >Subject: Re: [MAR] Bullard King and Co > > > > Neville, > > > > There is an article on tracing apprentice records at the National Archives > > at http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKApprentices.html > > > > You can also find some info and fleet list of Bullard King at > > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/bullard.html > > > > regards > > Ted > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Neville Rasmussen" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> > > To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2011 9:26 AM > > Subject: [MAR] Bullard King and Co > > > > > >> > >> Greetings! > >> > >> My father was an apprentice with Bullard King upon his leaving the > >> General > >> Botha training ship. He served a three year apprentiship with them. > >> Anyone > >> kow if records of such apprentiships were kept and where I might find > >> this > >> information and also if the ships he served on during this period might > >> be > >> listed? > >> > >> Neville Rasmussen > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3545 - Release Date: 04/01/11 > > 18:36:00 > > > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 17:42:03 EDT >From: AndyCAdams@aol.com >Subject: [MAR] Trinity House Pilots >To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <43e49.579a5cc2.3acce6ab@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Roy > >There would have been no Trinity House pilotage involvement in the visit. >The Trinity House vessel in question would have been the Trinity House buoy >yacht Irene. The Trinity yacht traditionally preceded the Royal Yacht and >still does today the most recent example being in 2005 when the Trinity >House vessel Patricia preceded HMS Endurance during the Trafalgar Fleet >Review. > >Normally and prior to the Pilotage Act 1987 Trinity House vessels did not >take pilots in areas where TH had responsibility for buoyage. Buoyage in >the Humber was the responsibility of the Humber Conservancy Board. However >it >would seem likely that Irene would have taken a Humber Pilot from the pilot > cutter at Spurn Point. > >There has been a number of changes in the way the Humber Pilots were >organised over the years and a recent reorganisation would have meant the >effective end of any pilotage records. > >Not sure about Lincolnshire newspapers. > >Hope this helps. > >Andy Adams > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 20:41:57 -0400 >From: Rhonda Staskow <rhonda.staskow@gmail.com> >Subject: [MAR] Gale Library Week access to historical newspapers >To: "MARINERS@rootsweb" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> >Message-ID: <BANLkTi=pvOmN79Z=E-+o-Mt7-GUR9wo+Pw@mail.gmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > >Hi Listers - > >It looks like Gale will offer their vast historical newspaper collection for >Library Week this year for a full two weeks Apr 10 to 24th. It appears that >you will have to register beginning Sunday, April 10th for access to the >site but it will have a number of UK newspapers and US newspapers available. > > >The information was posted at - > >http://usderesources.blogspot.com/2011/04/gale-celebrate-national-library-week.html > > >http://www.gale.cengage.com/NLW/ > >http://gdc.gale.com/products/gale-newsvault/ > >Kind regards, > >Rhonda > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 23:33:58 -0400 (EDT) >From: Hwabz@aol.com >Subject: Re: [MAR] Crossing the Line >To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <6ccdd.6f3b7fae.3acd3926@aol.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >For those interested in the Equator ceremony, here's a first-hand report >of crossing the line from the diary of an Irish passenger en route from >Liverpool to Melbourne aboard the clipper ship Miles Barton commanded by >William Kelly in 1853. Apart from a passing "tongue-in-cheek" threat of >cannibalism on the second day, it all seems pretty civilized. Original >spellings, >punctuation, etc. retained. > > >Saturday 28th (May 1853) A good breeze and not quite so hot as it was a >fiew days since at 8 o'clock a tubful of burning tar was droped overboard to >deceive the passingers that it was lamps on the Equator or line when Nepkin >and his wife came on Board dressed in sheepskins after being drawn fore >and aft on a slide the(y) walked onto the quarter deck to the Capt and >shaked >hands with him asking him how he was Introducing himself as Nepkin the God >of the Sea Saying that he was came on board to pay him a visit and shave >all his children as he considered it his right and duty to do so on all the >ships that came his way. The Capt was very happy to see them and hoped he >would use them deacently as his children was all of a superior breed and >brot up at the boarding schools and that the(y) were nearly all English >but a >good many Scotch and the greater part of them Irish and for them to pay him >another visit on Monday Evg and bring with them a Silver Raisor and some of >her Majesties double refined scented soap that would raize her Majesties >softest leather. Shaking hands with each of them and bidding them good night >receiving in return a very low bow from Nepkin and a Courticy from his >Wife. >29th Sunday morn. Nepkin or the second mate was inclined to have one of >the seamen for breakfast this morning and was going to put in irons for >being >so carnivorious it is a beautiful day with a fair but a light breeze. >30th A fine day and all gowing on well we expected to be shaved but the >Capt would not allow it lest their should be anyone hurt. >Harold Bradley >Alamo, CA > >------------------------------ > >To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to >MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > >To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to >MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body >of the >email with no additional text. > > >End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 107 >**************************************** Best wishes, Michael Dun BA M.Litt FSA Scot Latitude 56:47386 North Longitude -2:84576 West www.1812privateers.org