Hello list. Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick Booth. 1864-1867 ‘Dolphin’ #48398 1867 ‘Moyne’ #48267 1967-1870 ‘Sarah’ # 31908 1871 ‘The Peveril’ 1871-1881 ‘Sarah Ann’ # 42983 1882 ‘Alexandra’ Of the 6 ships, the ‘Moyne’ and ‘Dolphin’ are notable in that they where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to find on Captain John Frederick booth is from ‘The Argus (Melbourne, Vic)’ Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner ‘Dolphin’ from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. Was there a ‘central registrar’ of Captains anywhere? What should my next step be? At this stage I’m not in a position to search any archives, save for the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum in Sydney is on the cards too. Any advice is welcome. Cheers, Paul

Hi Paul Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be stated on a crew list if you've got one of them. If so, try the NMM in London to see if they have information on his early career from his application: see http://tinyurl.com/r4kwdg . They're on email but they will want the certificate number. You may need to get your skates on because the library is closed for a move from 21st April until sometime in July and they say they won't be responding to enquiries over that time. Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Booth Sent: 01 April 2011 04:00 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hello list. Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick Booth. 1864-1867 'Dolphin' #48398 1867 'Moyne' #48267 1967-1870 'Sarah' # 31908 1871 'The Peveril' 1871-1881 'Sarah Ann' # 42983 1882 'Alexandra' Of the 6 ships, the 'Moyne' and 'Dolphin' are notable in that they where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to find on Captain John Frederick booth is from 'The Argus (Melbourne, Vic)' Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner 'Dolphin' from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. Was there a 'central registrar' of Captains anywhere? What should my next step be? At this stage I'm not in a position to search any archives, save for the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum in Sydney is on the cards too. Any advice is welcome. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just quoted this link http://brew.clients.ch/crewagmt.htm#Crew Agreements which won't work because the words "crew" and "agreement" should have been connected by an underscore or something. As they're not, the address is incomplete. If you cut and paste the URL onto your navigation bar, make sure you get the word "agreements" in, or use this Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/3royv6w -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Piers Smith-Cresswell Sent: 01 April 2011 10:01 To: 'Paul Booth'; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hi Paul Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be stated on a crew list if you've got one of them. If so, try the NMM in London to see if they have information on his early career from his application: see http://tinyurl.com/r4kwdg . They're on email but they will want the certificate number. You may need to get your skates on because the library is closed for a move from 21st April until sometime in July and they say they won't be responding to enquiries over that time. Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Booth Sent: 01 April 2011 04:00 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hello list. Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick Booth. 1864-1867 'Dolphin' #48398 1867 'Moyne' #48267 1967-1870 'Sarah' # 31908 1871 'The Peveril' 1871-1881 'Sarah Ann' # 42983 1882 'Alexandra' Of the 6 ships, the 'Moyne' and 'Dolphin' are notable in that they where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to find on Captain John Frederick booth is from 'The Argus (Melbourne, Vic)' Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner 'Dolphin' from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. Was there a 'central registrar' of Captains anywhere? What should my next step be? At this stage I'm not in a position to search any archives, save for the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum in Sydney is on the cards too. Any advice is welcome. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Piers, I have a few crew lists from 'http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au' but can't see a certificate number on these. Are there other crew lists I should be searching for? Or perhaps they aren't on the scanned sections? Thanks, Paul On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > > > Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be > stated on > a crew list if you've got one of them.

No those are just "inwards passengers lists" - lists of people arriving aboard ships at Sydney. You want the records of the engagement and discharge of crew, alias "crew agreements" for these vessels. You can read about them here: http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/crewlist.php and here http://brew.clients.ch/crewagmt.htm#Crew Agreements - the latter tells you a lot about what you can find. I've had a look at your ONs though and none of them score hits during the time you're interested in as far as British archives and Newfoundland are concerned. Which I suppose isn't odd considering that he never went to a UK port so the papers wouldn't have had to be handed in there. Presumably colonial vessels (which were counted as British ships) which never went to Europe filed their paperwork locally. I found a page on the NSW archives site which suggests to me that crew agreements may have been filed with the state of origin see http://tinyurl.com/3q3pctq (go down to the section about "engagement and discharge of crew"). Browsing further in the site, it appears that the Shipping Master's Office for the relevant state may be the place you need to dig around http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Agency\3519 If voyages BEGAN in Tasmania, then the Tasmanian archives claim to have copies of many crew agreements: http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/guides/list/bg021 (not a very user-friendly website - see under the heading "Employment"): "Information on crews engaged on ships trading out of the Port of Hobart can be found among the records of the Hobart Marine Board and the Customs Department. There are registers of crew engaged on various vessels for the period 1861 - 1899 [MB2/4] and a register of crew discharged from various vessels 1856 - 1918 [MB2/35]. There is also a large series of agreements between masters of many vessels and crews signed on at Hobart, 1846 - 1935 [MB2/33]." Clearly if voyages began in a different state, that state would be the one to look for the stuff in. If there were two wrecks in Tasmanian waters, I would not be surprised if there had been Inquiries held by the local Marine Board. See http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/guides/list/bg019 heading "Maritime". If you know where the vessels were registered, the Marine Board or customs office may have further information about ownership. Hopefully there'll be a useful line of enquiry somewhere in these suggestions! Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: Paul Booth [mailto:peebooth@mac.com] Sent: 01 April 2011 11:12 To: Piers Smith-Cresswell Cc: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hello Piers, I have a few crew lists from 'http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au' but can't see a certificate number on these. Are there other crew lists I should be searching for? Or perhaps they aren't on the scanned sections? Thanks, Paul On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > > > Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be > stated on > a crew list if you've got one of them.

Hi Paul, May I suggest contact with Vaughan Evans Library, Nat. Maritime Museum at Darling Harbour, Sydney. Contact = Ph. 9298 3731, URL = http://www.anmm.gov.au They are very helpful & knowledgable & should have some deatils about your Capt. Booth. Happy hunting, Shirl, Gunnedah, NSW. ********************************* On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Paul Booth <peebooth@mac.com> wrote: > Hello list. > > Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info > on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. > > Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and > 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. > > During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, > mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. > > As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following > boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick > Booth. > > 1864-1867 ‘Dolphin’ #48398 > 1867 ‘Moyne’ #48267 > 1967-1870 ‘Sarah’ # 31908 > 1871 ‘The Peveril’ > 1871-1881 ‘Sarah Ann’ # 42983 > 1882 ‘Alexandra’ > > Of the 6 ships, the ‘Moyne’ and ‘Dolphin’ are notable in that they > where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the > Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. > > What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his > career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to > find on Captain John Frederick booth is from ‘The Argus (Melbourne, > Vic)’ Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner > ‘Dolphin’ from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. > > Was there a ‘central registrar’ of Captains anywhere? > What should my next step be? > > At this stage I’m not in a position to search any archives, save for > the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum > in Sydney is on the cards too. > > Any advice is welcome. > > Cheers, > > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >