I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives from Sunderland, UK. I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for the schooner was made with the markings of J & B Christie. I'm suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would there only be one of these made? I welcome any information. Many thanks, Susan Enns Canada.

Hi Susan, The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the 8th September 1833: "The Late Gales. The Ranger schooner, Christie, master, was brought in this morning (Dover), having been discovered on the 2nd inst. by the smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5 miles from Calais, driving westwards towards the French coast. No person whatever was on board, and she had lost both anchors, and the pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become of the crew." Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Susan Enns <bellenns@rogers.com> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 30 June, 2011 20:34:03 Subject: [MAR] The sinking of the 'Ranger' I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives from Sunderland, UK. I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for the schooner was made with the markings of J & B Christie. I'm suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would there only be one of these made? I welcome any information. Many thanks, Susan Enns Canada. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This may be of no direct relevance to Susan's enquiry, but I turned to the 1858 edition of Christie's Shipping Register online, link to this on Mariners' at: http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/Lloyds_on_line.html I wanted to check if her John Christie was still showing among Sunderland shipowners by that time, but there appears to be no trace. (In the light of Peter's subsequent reply of the abandoned RANGER being taken into Dover, was the Christie given as master this same John, or some other relative? As Susan has contemporaneous correspondence it seems he [and the rest of the crew] may have been found, rescued, or reached shore separately?) I was intrigued to note that this particular Register, which is of local interest to me as I live just down the coast in Middlesbrough (UK), was compiled by a John Christie but from an address in Newcastle (by 1858). Just wondered who he actually was, as I do not see him listed otherwise as having any shipping interest on the Tyne? Indeed, might he be the same John Christie as Susan's relative? I am copying this onto the TEESMARITIME Yahoo! forum in case anyone in this neck of the woods knows the answer. (I also append Peter's response for their further information.) Ron Mapplebeck **** On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: > I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the > schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship > dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the > letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives > from Sunderland, UK. > > I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 > . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of > Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. > Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? > > This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for > the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm > suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was > this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would > there only be one of these made? > > I welcome any information. > Many thanks, > > Susan Enns > Canada. ***** The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the 8th September 1833: "The Late Gales. The Ranger schooner, Christie, master, was brought in this morning (Dover), having been discovered on the 2nd inst. by the smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5 miles from Calais, driving westwards towards the French coast. No person whatever was on board, and she had lost both anchors, and the pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become of the crew." Regards, PK ***** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Ron, there is a fundamental difference in that the Aberdeen site lists their RANGER as lost off Aberdeen on 1 Sept.1833, presumably someone found that via research, how does it fit in with a RANGER being found abandoned in the Channel albeit around the same date. Susan refers to a ‘description’ of the sinking in her letter, which suggests written by a survivor while the Dover ship seems to have been a ‘Mary Celeste’. It would not be an unusual name so these could be two separate vessels? George www.gooleships.co.uk www.teesbuiltships.co.uk Support the restoration of DANIEL ADAMSON www.danieladamson.co.uk From: Ron Mapplebeck Sent: Friday, July 01, 2011 12:31 AM To: Susan Enns Cc: MARINERS@rootsweb.com ; teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com Subject: [teesmaritime] CHRISTIE'S SHIPPING REGISTER [was Re: [MAR] The sinking of the 'Ranger'] This may be of no direct relevance to Susan's enquiry, but I turned to the 1858 edition of Christie's Shipping Register online, link to this on Mariners' at: http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/Lloyds_on_line.html I wanted to check if her John Christie was still showing among Sunderland shipowners by that time, but there appears to be no trace. (In the light of Peter's subsequent reply of the abandoned RANGER being taken into Dover, was the Christie given as master this same John, or some other relative? As Susan has contemporaneous correspondence it seems he [and the rest of the crew] may have been found, rescued, or reached shore separately?) I was intrigued to note that this particular Register, which is of local interest to me as I live just down the coast in Middlesbrough (UK), was compiled by a John Christie but from an address in Newcastle (by 1858). Just wondered who he actually was, as I do not see him listed otherwise as having any shipping interest on the Tyne? Indeed, might he be the same John Christie as Susan's relative? I am copying this onto the TEESMARITIME Yahoo! forum in case anyone in this neck of the woods knows the answer. (I also append Peter's response for their further information.) Ron Mapplebeck **** On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: > I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the > schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship > dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the > letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives > from Sunderland, UK. > > I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 > . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of > Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. > Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? > > This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for > the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm > suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was > this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would > there only be one of these made? > > I welcome any information. > Many thanks, > > Susan Enns > Canada. ***** The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the 8th September 1833: "The Late Gales. The Ranger schooner, Christie, master, was brought in this morning (Dover), having been discovered on the 2nd inst. by the smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5 miles from Calais, driving westwards towards the French coast. No person whatever was on board, and she had lost both anchors, and the pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become of the crew." Regards, PK ***** > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to mailto:MARINERS-request%40rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > __._,_.___ Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post | Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Stay on top of your group activity without leaving the page you're on - Get the Yahoo! Toolbar now. Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use. __,_._,___

It seems the story of the RANGER fits into the "strange but true" category! Susan has confirmed (off-list) that the documentation she has confirms her RANGER sinking off Aberdeen on 1 September 1833, and this is very much supported by the commemorative glass fully detailed at: http://www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?index=115108&shipid=100687 This leaves the following as being "strange but true" coincidences: Same ship name (RANGER), Same type of vessel (schooner), Same date of loss/abandonment (1 September 1833), Same port of registry (Sunderland - Peter found another item relative to the schooner at Dover), Owner/master (Christie - also a master mariner - as owner of the RANGER lost off Aberdeen, Christie as master of the RANGER abandoned off Calais). I suppose it might just be possible that the journalists reporting the Calais/Dover vessel got their ship particulars mixed up with the other RANGER through her loss arising at exactly the same time!? It would be of great interest if anyone could further fill out the details of both vessels. In the meantime it would still be of equal interest to know more about the John Christie who compiled the shipping registers (for north-east England). Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 01/07/2011 00:31, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > This may be of no direct relevance to Susan's enquiry, but I turned to > the 1858 edition of Christie's Shipping Register online, link to this on > Mariners' at: > http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/Lloyds_on_line.html > > I wanted to check if her John Christie was still showing among > Sunderland shipowners by that time, but there appears to be no trace. > (In the light of Peter's subsequent reply of the abandoned RANGER being > taken into Dover, was the Christie given as master this same John, or > some other relative? As Susan has contemporaneous correspondence it > seems he [and the rest of the crew] may have been found, rescued, or > reached shore separately?) > > I was intrigued to note that this particular Register, which is of local > interest to me as I live just down the coast in Middlesbrough (UK), was > compiled by a John Christie but from an address in Newcastle (by 1858). > Just wondered who he actually was, as I do not see him listed otherwise > as having any shipping interest on the Tyne? Indeed, might he be the > same John Christie as Susan's relative? > > I am copying this onto the TEESMARITIME Yahoo! forum in case anyone in > this neck of the woods knows the answer. (I also append Peter's response > for their further information.) > > Ron Mapplebeck > **** > On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: >> I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the >> schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship >> dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the >> letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives >> from Sunderland, UK. >> >> I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >> . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of >> Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. >> Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? >> >> This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for >> the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm >> suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was >> this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would >> there only be one of these made? >> >> I welcome any information. >> Many thanks, >> >> Susan Enns >> Canada. > ***** > The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the 8th > September 1833: "The Late Gales. The Ranger schooner, Christie, > master, was > brought in this morning (Dover), having been discovered on the 2nd inst. > by the > smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5 miles from Calais, driving westwards > towards the > French coast. No person whatever was on board, and she had lost both > anchors, > and the pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become > of the > crew." > > Regards, > > PK > *****

This is how Susan started an enthralling thread less than a week ago! Thanks to input specifically from Peter Klein, Adi Carmichael, and John Stevenson, but also from sighting the actual documentation held by Susan herself, we have satisfied the Aberdeen Museum that the RANGER was, in fact, lost on the Goodwin Sands, not off Aberdeen. This means the inscription on the rummer glass is, for some strange reason, wrong. To me this demonstrates the collective resources utilised by our listers in many ways to clarify matters of maritime history often, as in this case, now many years in the past - with the ability to correct factual errors which arise from time to time. Well done MARINERS' LIST and all concerned. Ron Mapplebeck ***** On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: > I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the > schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship > dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the > letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives > from Sunderland, UK. > > I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 > . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of > Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. > Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? > > This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for > the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm > suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was > this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would > there only be one of these made? > > I welcome any information. > Many thanks, > > Susan Enns > Canada. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >