on 10 Jun 2011 Mick wrote I will take Norna from 1887, Ted found Wm Latham as the owner in 1887. The MNL 1890 lists the owners as managing owner Wm Letham 29 Cathcart Street Greenock and includes Walter C Boak Halifax N.S. MNL 1892 up to 1899 Owner, Norna Ship Co Ltd, 29 Cathcart Street Greenock and includes Jas. Rae 14 Water Street Liverpool. MNL 1899 up to 1920 Owners, Western & Brazilian Telegraph Co, 85 London Wall, City London and includes the name E.S.Hodgson. BT 110 gives no detail except that her register was closed in 1924. The next MNL after 1920 I have access to is 1925. I have checked Lloyds Causality Lists for 1923 and 1924 she is not in there. >>>>>>>>> The last owner caught my eye. There is a short note in K R Haigh's "Cable Ships and Submarine Cables" that NORNA was a sailing vessel which was relegated to a cable storage hulk at Pernambuco; she was scrapped in 1924. It is possible that there is a photograph of her in the Cable & Wireless archives at the Porthcurno Telegraph Museum in Cornwall. The catalogue at <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=2064-cwa_4&cid=-1&G sm=2008-06-18#-1> http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=2064-cwa_4&cid=-1&Gs m=2008-06-18#-1 shows two entries for NORNA, both of which are a little odd: <Norna ( 1 ) Hulk circa 1840 PHO///425 1840 c. (photo)> "1840" is very odd since it is far too early for any cable ship, hulk or otherwise <C.S.Norseman & C.S. Norna DOC//14/14 1976 November 29 (2 Paper / Photos)> Again, "1976" is odd as these ships had by then long gone. But it could well be that this is not the right NORNA. When the 1868 NORNA was scrapped in 1924, the Western Telegraph Company (which since 1900 had owned the Western & Brazilian Telegraph Co) replaced her as their storage hulk at Pernambuco by their cable ship NORSEMAN ex-MIRROR of 1886, renaming her NORNA. At the same time they had their fourth and last NORSEMAN built by John Brown at Clydebank. This NORNA (2) was scrapped in 1933, and NORSEMAN (4) in 1964. So the photos could be of the later pair. It may well be worth asking the Museum whether the images of NORNA are of a sailing ship or a steamship. Contact email here: <http://www.porthcurno.org.uk/page.php?id=60> http://www.porthcurno.org.uk/page.php?id=60 I assume that the comment about BT 110 is referring to the National Archives catalogue. The documents themselves, in box BT 110/583, should show her ownership and registration history in detail, including all registered owners and the dates of the bills of sale between them. David
Hi David, Thank you very much for the information on NORNA [1868],it is much appreciated. Regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Asprey" <dasprey@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] ironships Limari & Norna > on 10 Jun 2011 Mick wrote > > I will take Norna from 1887, Ted found Wm Latham as the owner in 1887. > The MNL 1890 lists the owners as managing owner Wm Letham 29 Cathcart > Street > Greenock and includes Walter C Boak Halifax N.S. > MNL 1892 up to 1899 Owner, Norna Ship Co Ltd, 29 Cathcart Street Greenock > and includes Jas. Rae 14 Water Street Liverpool. > MNL 1899 up to 1920 Owners, Western & Brazilian Telegraph Co, 85 London > Wall, City London and includes the name E.S.Hodgson. > BT 110 gives no detail except that her register was closed in 1924. > The next MNL after 1920 I have access to is 1925. > I have checked Lloyds Causality Lists for 1923 and 1924 she is not in > there. >>>>>>>>>> > > The last owner caught my eye. There is a short note in K R Haigh's "Cable > Ships and Submarine Cables" that NORNA was a sailing vessel which was > relegated to a cable storage hulk at Pernambuco; she was scrapped in 1924. > > It is possible that there is a photograph of her in the Cable & Wireless > archives at the Porthcurno Telegraph Museum in Cornwall. The catalogue at > <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=2064-cwa_4&cid=-1&G > sm=2008-06-18#-1> > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=2064-cwa_4&cid=-1&Gs > m=2008-06-18#-1 shows two entries for NORNA, both of which are a little > odd: > > <Norna ( 1 ) Hulk circa 1840 PHO///425 1840 c. (photo)> "1840" is very > odd since it is far too early for any cable ship, hulk or otherwise > <C.S.Norseman & C.S. Norna DOC//14/14 1976 November 29 (2 Paper / > Photos)> > Again, "1976" is odd as these ships had by then long gone. > > But it could well be that this is not the right NORNA. When the 1868 > NORNA > was scrapped in 1924, the Western Telegraph Company (which since 1900 had > owned the Western & Brazilian Telegraph Co) replaced her as their storage > hulk at Pernambuco by their cable ship NORSEMAN ex-MIRROR of 1886, > renaming > her NORNA. At the same time they had their fourth and last NORSEMAN built > by John Brown at Clydebank. This NORNA (2) was scrapped in 1933, and > NORSEMAN (4) in 1964. So the photos could be of the later pair. > > It may well be worth asking the Museum whether the images of NORNA are of > a > sailing ship or a steamship. Contact email here: > <http://www.porthcurno.org.uk/page.php?id=60> > http://www.porthcurno.org.uk/page.php?id=60 > > I assume that the comment about BT 110 is referring to the National > Archives > catalogue. The documents themselves, in box BT 110/583, should show her > ownership and registration history in detail, including all registered > owners and the dates of the bills of sale between them. > > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message