I have an inquiry to my website re the British Vessel Eavestone. Was this the first large British owned sea-going vessel equipped with a Diesel engine, produced under joint license of Carels Freres and Diesel Engine Company. ? Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com

I do not know anything about EAVESTONE, but there were four diesel or diesel-electric "canallers" (Great Lakes vessels built to St. Lawrence Canal dimensions - necessary to make the transit from the Atlantic to the lakes) built in Britain in 1911-13. TOILER was the first, 1,659 gross tons built by Swan Hunter and Wigham Richardson in 1911. She was followed by CALGARY which was similar except that she had a funnel and after superstructure (both of which were absent in TOILER) and she was geared (masts and booms) whereas TOILER was not. The third was FORDONIAN built by the Clyde Shipbuilding Co. in 1912. The fourth was TYNEMOUNT of 1913. She was actually diesel-electric. 1,644 tons gross. All four were re-engined with triple expansion within a relatively short time. They were seagoing, not only demonstrated that they had to cross the Atlantic to get to the lakes but also because some of them and many other canallers worked in the Atlantic and in European waters during both world wars. John in chilly Kingston Ontario -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 5:08 PM To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [MAR] British Vessel Eavestone > I have an inquiry to my website re the British Vessel Eavestone. > Was this the first large British owned sea-going vessel equipped with a > Diesel engine, produced under joint license of Carels Freres and Diesel > Engine Company. ? > > Mick O Rourke > > www.irishshipwrecks.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks John I wonder why was the Diesel Engine un-popular ? Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: <jduerkop@cogeco.ca> To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:05 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] British Vessel Eavestone >I do not know anything about EAVESTONE, but there were four diesel or > diesel-electric "canallers" (Great Lakes vessels built to St. Lawrence > Canal > dimensions - necessary to make the transit from the Atlantic to the lakes) > built in Britain in 1911-13. TOILER was the first, 1,659 gross tons built > by Swan Hunter and Wigham Richardson in 1911. She was followed by CALGARY > which was similar except that she had a funnel and after superstructure > (both of which were absent in TOILER) and she was geared (masts and booms) > whereas TOILER was not. The third was FORDONIAN built by the Clyde > Shipbuilding Co. in 1912. The fourth was TYNEMOUNT of 1913. She was > actually diesel-electric. 1,644 tons gross. All four were re-engined > with > triple expansion within a relatively short time. They were seagoing, not > only demonstrated that they had to cross the Atlantic to get to the lakes > but also because some of them and many other canallers worked in the > Atlantic and in European waters during both world wars. John in chilly > Kingston Ontario > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 5:08 PM > To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [MAR] British Vessel Eavestone > >> I have an inquiry to my website re the British Vessel Eavestone. >> Was this the first large British owned sea-going vessel equipped with a >> Diesel engine, produced under joint license of Carels Freres and Diesel >> Engine Company. ? >> >> Mick O Rourke >> >> www.irishshipwrecks.com >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From memory, take TOILER (later named MAPLEHEATH) as an example. She only managed about 6 knots loaded on her first voyage from the UK to Spain and back and also on her transatlantic "delivery voyage". The reason was that her diesels were not geared and drove the propellers too fast. Also, diesels required an entirely different training for engine room personnel and that training was not yet widely available. On one occasion she broke down and could not be fixed at Montreal with the limited knowledge that they had so she was towed back to Kingston where some American engineers quickly fixed whatever the problem was. She lasted into the 1980s as a steamer and later salvage barge. John -------------------------------------------------- From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2011 4:48 AM To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] British Vessel Eavestone > Thanks John > > I wonder why was the Diesel Engine un-popular ? > > > Mick > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <jduerkop@cogeco.ca> > To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2011 3:05 AM > Subject: Re: [MAR] British Vessel Eavestone > > >>I do not know anything about EAVESTONE, but there were four diesel or >> diesel-electric "canallers" (Great Lakes vessels built to St. Lawrence >> Canal >> dimensions - necessary to make the transit from the Atlantic to the >> lakes) >> built in Britain in 1911-13. TOILER was the first, 1,659 gross tons >> built >> by Swan Hunter and Wigham Richardson in 1911. She was followed by >> CALGARY >> which was similar except that she had a funnel and after superstructure >> (both of which were absent in TOILER) and she was geared (masts and >> booms) >> whereas TOILER was not. The third was FORDONIAN built by the Clyde >> Shipbuilding Co. in 1912. The fourth was TYNEMOUNT of 1913. She was >> actually diesel-electric. 1,644 tons gross. All four were re-engined >> with >> triple expansion within a relatively short time. They were seagoing, >> not >> only demonstrated that they had to cross the Atlantic to get to the lakes >> but also because some of them and many other canallers worked in the >> Atlantic and in European waters during both world wars. John in chilly >> Kingston Ontario >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> >> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2011 5:08 PM >> To: "Mariners List" <mariners@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [MAR] British Vessel Eavestone >> >>> I have an inquiry to my website re the British Vessel Eavestone. >>> Was this the first large British owned sea-going vessel equipped with a >>> Diesel engine, produced under joint license of Carels Freres and Diesel >>> Engine Company. ? >>> >>> Mick O Rourke >>> >>> www.irishshipwrecks.com >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >