Bryan, thank you for you your reply, great insight to this problem, greatley appreciated, max ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Richards" <bryanrichards@btinternet.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 6:46 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] CREW LISTS > Hi Max > > I have completed the indexing of Crew list from National Archives BT > 98/507 > Port of Registry ~ Swansea Ships Names ~ A-G 1835-1844 > and now started Crew list from National Archives BT 98/810 Port of > Registry ~ Swansea Ships Names ~ A - Q 1845. > Also so far completed West Glamorgan Archives 1862 to 1882 and 1890 to > 1894. > Indexing on going. > > The 1835-1844 are very porly kept records. In many cases they are not full > names, but initials with surnames. Also the use of abbreviations > like Jno and Jos. for John and Joseph. Surnames vary in spelling for the > same mariner. Ages are sometimes left off. > Place of birth are town names only and in some cases are not the same for > the same mariner. Seamans Ticket No. very sparse. > Previous ships missing, dates of joining and leaving are sometimes just he > year or month and dates of leaving or arriving back into port > are blank. I have had to interpret a lot of the data and hunt down ship > arrivals to make sense of some of the crew lists. > The crew lists are in boxes of rough alphabetic order and filed under Port > Rotation No. There is some mis-filing, of ships from other > ports especially where the ship sailed out on one register and arrived > back > on another. i.e Sailed as Sunderland ship > and became a Swansea Registered ship and vice versa. > > Port Rotation No.s on my website have been interpreted into Port No.s for > Swansea by referring the masters > name on the crew lists and comparing it to thar on the Custom House > Register, which contains the Master's name > and subsequent master's date of appointment .Taking the master's name on > the crew list and comparing it allows > one to identify the ship especially when you have a ship called "Ann" and > there are several > in the box with rotation No's like 96/331 96/90 96/42 where 96 is the > Port > of Swansea and the other No's are rotation numbers > referring to ships called "Ann" on the crew agreements. Many agreements > are > damaged and unreadable in parts. > > > With the 1845, I now find they are in better condition and so far I have > done A to B and they give the Port No of the ship > and the Seamans Ticket No. and where registered with a date. Also the > apprentices Indenture date and where registered. > But one or two have missing ages, previous ships and dates of signing off. > Signing on dates again in one or two cases only > show a year. Again there are some damaged crew lists. > > Regards > Bryan Richards > www.swanseamariners.org.uk > over 80,000 entries of mariners from the UK and other parts of the world > who > sailed on Swansea Registered ships, > 1862 to 1882 and 1890 to 1894 and 1835 to 1844 complete. Crew lists for > trawlers and Milford Haven also included > and samples from other ports. Swansea ship owners from the Custom House > register, Marine data marriage bonds of all Welsh mariners, Some impressed > men from South Wales > and West of England, etc. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >