Hi George I have taken the liberty of giving your post a more usable subject line "Help and advice" does not attract the potential reader very much :-) Now it appears that there is a very slim window for your man to disappear in He is with his wife in 1891 with family Going to the 1901 Matilda is now "married" to a John SAMPSON (curious that she marries as Matilda Sampson PENDER and is later with a SAMPSON) It appears from the census that their first child was born 1892 (Leah SAMPSON) although I can only find a registration of that name in 1895 Have you checked those children to see who the parents are on the certs? If the census is a true reflection it means Thomas Edward FLANNELLY disappeared after the 1891 census and before Leah was born in 1892 Looking at the deaths registered, have you checked this one out ? Name: Thomas Flannery Estimated Birth Year: abt 1851 Date of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 Age at Death: 40 Registration district: Liverpool Inferred County: Lancashire Volume: 8b Page: 79 Although the age is a little out , ages at death registration are notoriously inaccurate It may be a spelling mistake at the local office or in the quarterly returns to the GRO Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS he does not appear in the deaths at sea > > Hello All > Help and advice My G Grandfather dissapeared after 1891 in the 1870s He was a mariner He > married in 1874, I found him on the 1881 census Boyd street Everton name Thomas Edward Flannelly > occupation Iron Planer, I found him again on the 1891 census Everton occupation Machine planer > maint. I was wondering did He go back into the merchant service possibly in the engine room and > was the ship lost and He died at sea. I have checked a ll the civil records for He,s death but no > success, Would it be possible to find out if He returned to the merchant service > and if He was lost at sea.if so where could I search. Thanks Regards George

Nivard Hi Thanks for your e,mail regarding Matilda her maiden name was Matilda Samson Pender she married Thomas Edward Flannelly in 1874 in Liverpool they are on the 1881 census and the 1891 census on the 1901 census she is living with John Samson He,s real name is Jacob Belesco the four girls Leah, Rosey Amy were Belasco,s Matilda lived with Jacob untill her death in 1924 they never married she died with the name Flannelly, in Oldham 1924. Once again thanks Regards George -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 19:59 Subject: Re: [MAR] Help and advice >> Thomas Edward FLANNELLY b1847 Hi George I have taken the liberty of giving your post a more usable subject line "Help nd advice" does not ttract the potential reader very much :-) Now it appears that there is a very slim window for your man to disappear in He is with his wife in 1891 with family Going to the 1901 Matilda is now "married" to a John SAMPSON curious that she marries as Matilda Sampson PENDER and is later with a SAMPSON) It appears from the census that their first child was born 1892 (Leah SAMPSON) lthough I can only ind a registration of that name in 1895 Have you checked those children to see who the parents are on the certs? If the census is a true reflection it means Thomas Edward FLANNELLY disappeared fter the 1891 ensus and before Leah was born in 1892 Looking at the deaths registered, have you checked this one out ? Name: Thomas Flannery stimated Birth Year: abt 1851 ate of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec 1891 ge at Death: 40 egistration district: Liverpool nferred County: Lancashire olume: 8b age: 79 Although the age is a little out , ages at death registration are notoriously naccurate It may be a spelling mistake at the local office or in the quarterly returns to he GRO Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS he does not appear in the deaths at sea > Hello All Help and advice My G Grandfather dissapeared after 1891 in the 1870s e was a mariner He married in 1874, I found him on the 1881 census Boyd street Everton name homas Edward Flannelly occupation Iron Planer, I found him again on the 1891 census Everton ccupation Machine planer maint. I was wondering did He go back into the merchant service possibly in he engine room and was the ship lost and He died at sea. I have checked a ll the civil records or He,s death but no success, Would it be possible to find out if He returned to the merchant ervice and if He was lost at sea.if so where could I search. Thanks Regards George ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message