On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com > wrote: > <snip>Also Edward Byrne is listed in the 1867 Mercantile Navy List as > owner of the 165 ton, 60 HP vessel ELFIN of Hong Kong, Official Number > 42955. > (The Official Number was a permanent and unique identifier of a vessel. It > remained the same no matter how many times the vessel changed owner, > changed name or changed Port of Registry.) > When you plug that O.N. in at the CLIP website I gave you in the previous > post, you'll see that she was built in Canada. > >>>>>>>>>>> > Intriguing snippets to be found on ELFIN. Built Prince Edward Island and registered there 6 Nov 1862 as 174nrt sailing vessel (ON 42955) 14/7/1865 registry cancelled as "sold foreign" 1865 re-registered at Hong Kong as a steamship of 165nrt and 60nhp in ownership of Edward Byrne, Shanghai by 1868/1869 British registry cancelled (not in Mercantile Navy List 1870). Also found that she was already a steamer by late 1864. Assuming that this is the same vessel, a steamer ELFIN, 174 tons, Capt Thomas, arrived in Formosa from Yokohama in Dec 1864 with general cardo and was dispatched to Yokohama 1/1865 with general cargo (apparently the first exports from Formosa as it opened itself to foreign trade) [James W Davidson "The Island of Formosa Past and Present", author, Yokohama 1903 - page 179] http://tinyurl.com/pxpozce North China Herald, 12 Jul 1873 "A small river steamer named the Elfin was launched from Farnham's building yard at New Dock yesterday The original Elfin was seized it will be some ten back at on the pretext that it had not the requisite Custom House. The hull having become room it was determined to place her which still remained in a new shell and this has been success fully" [a biy cryptic, from an OCR - http://newspaperarchive.com/chn/shanghai/shanghai/north-china-herald/1873/07-12/page-5 The 1873 ELFIN doesn't seem to have been registered as a British ship. David

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Hello again, Jackie, For what it's worth, this book below *might* have detail about your man. Use worldcat.org to locate the nearest library with a copy. The log of the Shanghai pilot service, 1831-1932 Unknown Binding – 1935 by George Philip (Author) Also Edward Byrne is listed in the 1867 Mercantile Navy List as owner of the 165 ton, 60 HP vessel ELFIN of Hong Kong, Official Number 42955. (The Official Number was a permanent and unique identifier of a vessel. It remained the same no matter how many times the vessel changed owner, changed name or changed Port of Registry.) When you plug that O.N. in at the CLIP website I gave you in the previous post, you'll see that she was built in Canada. Regards, Adi -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/17/15, Jackie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Subject: [MAR] Request for Help, Edward Bynre To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Received: Tuesday, March 17, 2015, 10:58 AM Hello can anyone help me please? I have come upon a brick wall, the most confusing website known to man... you may know it as the National Archives! So my ancestor was a merchant navy captain, active seatime 1840-1865 i have master & mates certificates & a list of some vessels he served on, i'm trying to find info on the vessels & him but to no avail, is there an easier place to look?  Because honestly i have given up on the NA it just hurts to look! Edward Byrne b1823 liverpool. Cert 3159 Vessels i have him on, not necessarily as a Captain,   Kingston 1846,Charles Jouer/Jones?? 1847,House of Zubec/Quebec 1848Inglewood 1849John Gibson 1850 Protector 1850-57  Foam of the cape of good horn?? ZingariLightning Hope you can help me, Thanks Jackie                            ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Jackie, Try newspapers, everywhere. Some free databases are: Trove, Australia - https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper PapersPast, New Zealand - http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast Chronicling America, USA - http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/newspapers/ It does cost to read articles in the British Newspaper Archive http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ but you can search there for free and get as far as the thumbnails. They sell short-term subscriptions. The usual format for names in the shipping news is: [Vessel name COMMA master Surname] so searching for "LIGHTNING, Byrne" brings up lots of ads giving her tonnage and sailing dates. (The quotation marks indicate that you want instances where those two words occur in that order.) LIGHTNING was a Black Ball Line vessel. Using this search term (with the quotation marks, but without the square brackets) ["Black Ball Line" Lightning Byrne] will get you building details, images and hits mentioning your man, like this one: http://www.shippingwondersoftheworld.com/wpimages/wp63123471_06.png Try that with all the vessel names you have so far. There are business letters written by your man here: http://janus.lib.cam.ac.uk/db/node.xsp?id=EAD%2FGBR%2F0012%2FMS%20JM%2FB10;sib0=14 The CLIP (Crew List Indexing Project) website will lead you to information on the ships and possibly even to actual crew lists (which will have some of your man's handwriting) http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsalpha.php Regards, Adi -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 3/17/15, Jackie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Subject: [MAR] Request for Help, Edward Bynre To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Received: Tuesday, March 17, 2015, 10:58 AM Hello can anyone help me please? I have come upon a brick wall, the most confusing website known to man... you may know it as the National Archives! So my ancestor was a merchant navy captain, active seatime 1840-1865 i have master & mates certificates & a list of some vessels he served on, i'm trying to find info on the vessels & him but to no avail, is there an easier place to look?  Because honestly i have given up on the NA it just hurts to look! Edward Byrne b1823 liverpool. Cert 3159 Vessels i have him on, not necessarily as a Captain,   Kingston 1846,Charles Jouer/Jones?? 1847,House of Zubec/Quebec 1848Inglewood 1849John Gibson 1850 Protector 1850-57  Foam of the cape of good horn?? ZingariLightning Hope you can help me, Thanks Jackie                            ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Jean. Can anyone recommend a researcher in the Boston area who may be able to help me navigate the Shipping Inspectors records? Thanks, Steve Foote > On 17 Mar 2015, at 20:00, mariners-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Master Mariner in Boston (Jean Eichhorn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2015 11:42:12 -0400 > From: "Jean Eichhorn" <jean0305@comcast.net> > Subject: Re: [MAR] Master Mariner in Boston > To: "'Steve Foote'" <steve@foote-family.com>, <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000301d05fff$c627a310$5276e930$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi, in early New England, the Master Mariner Tickets were often issued and > maintained through the local Masonic Lodge. I have never found a way to > access them that way, however. > > -----Original Message----- > From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Steve Foote via > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:06 PM > To: David Asprey > Cc: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MAR] Master Mariner in Boston > > David > > Thanks for the quick reply. His name is Bensley Collenette - and I have > found him on Mystic Seaport, but only one entry for 1889, which does give me > another data point. However, I have also come across a couple of newspaper > articles on him in the Boston Post on newspapers.com, which have what has > really caught my interest. > > What I would most like to find out about was that 1894 he was a candidate > for Boston Steamship Inspector, and by 1896, had the renewal of his license > refused "on ground of intemperance". He appealed, and there was a hearing > before the Steamship Inspector in 1896, but the newspaper article just > reports that "the evidence will be sent to Washington, and the result of the > hearing will not be known for several weeks." There are no further articles > in the newspaper, so I wondered where I could go to find out the final > outcome. > > Thanks, > Steve Foote > >> On 14 Mar 2015, at 15:02, David Asprey <davidjasprey@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You don't give his name. >> But the ship registers online at Mystic City can be searched by ship > masters: >> http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/VMSearch2.cfm >> >> David >> >>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Steve Foote via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > wrote: >>> I am trying to find out more about a merchant navy sea captain who >>> held a US Master Mariner's license between about 1874 (year he was >>> naturalized citizen), and 1896 (when his license expired). I have >>> searched the list archives, and the FAQ but cannot find anything >>> relevant (so excuse me if I have missed it). >>> I have searched the US National Archives web site, but cannot find >>> anything about Master Mariner licenses. >>> >>> I understand that licensing was/is the responsibility of the US >>> National Coast Guard Agency, but can find nothing on their web site >>> about their archives either. >>> Is there an equivalent of Lloyd's Captain's Registers for the USA? >>> Any help would be appreciated. >>> Many thanks, >>> Steve >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to > MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 47 > ****************************************

Hello can anyone help me please? I have come upon a brick wall, the most confusing website known to man... you may know it as the National Archives! So my ancestor was a merchant navy captain, active seatime 1840-1865 i have master & mates certificates & a list of some vessels he served on, i'm trying to find info on the vessels & him but to no avail, is there an easier place to look? Because honestly i have given up on the NA it just hurts to look! Edward Byrne b1823 liverpool. Cert 3159 Vessels i have him on, not necessarily as a Captain, Kingston 1846,Charles Jouer/Jones?? 1847,House of Zubec/Quebec 1848Inglewood 1849John Gibson 1850 Protector 1850-57 Foam of the cape of good horn?? ZingariLightning Hope you can help me, Thanks Jackie

Hi, in early New England, the Master Mariner Tickets were often issued and maintained through the local Masonic Lodge. I have never found a way to access them that way, however. -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Steve Foote via Sent: Friday, March 13, 2015 11:06 PM To: David Asprey Cc: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Master Mariner in Boston David Thanks for the quick reply. His name is Bensley Collenette - and I have found him on Mystic Seaport, but only one entry for 1889, which does give me another data point. However, I have also come across a couple of newspaper articles on him in the Boston Post on newspapers.com, which have what has really caught my interest. What I would most like to find out about was that 1894 he was a candidate for Boston Steamship Inspector, and by 1896, had the renewal of his license refused "on ground of intemperance". He appealed, and there was a hearing before the Steamship Inspector in 1896, but the newspaper article just reports that "the evidence will be sent to Washington, and the result of the hearing will not be known for several weeks." There are no further articles in the newspaper, so I wondered where I could go to find out the final outcome. Thanks, Steve Foote > On 14 Mar 2015, at 15:02, David Asprey <davidjasprey@gmail.com> wrote: > > You don't give his name. > But the ship registers online at Mystic City can be searched by ship masters: > http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/VMSearch2.cfm > > David > >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Steve Foote via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I am trying to find out more about a merchant navy sea captain who >> held a US Master Mariner's license between about 1874 (year he was >> naturalized citizen), and 1896 (when his license expired). I have >> searched the list archives, and the FAQ but cannot find anything >> relevant (so excuse me if I have missed it). >> I have searched the US National Archives web site, but cannot find >> anything about Master Mariner licenses. >> >> I understand that licensing was/is the responsibility of the US >> National Coast Guard Agency, but can find nothing on their web site >> about their archives either. >> Is there an equivalent of Lloyd's Captain's Registers for the USA? >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Many thanks, >> Steve >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Angela, Further to my last posting, at the subsequent Court Martial held at Portsmouth on board HMS Gladiator on the 26 August 1799, it was reported that a total of eleven seamen had died on the Ambuscade, in addition to the 1st Lieutenant and the Master.  Their names are not given in the reports, but presumably a further three men died of their wounds subsequent to the newspaper report printed in January, bringing the total dead to 13. Regards, PK   ________________________________ From: AngelaBavidge via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015, 9:55 Subject: [MAR] HMS Ambuscade and The Bayonnaise 1798 Hello Can anyone help please? Does anyone have a list of the crew who died on HMS Ambuscade in December  1798 by any chance? If not can anyone recommend a researcher, who lives near TNA at Kew  please?  Thank you. Angela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Angela, Since the Ambuscade was captured by the French the chances of her Musters and Pay Lists, which would normally have detailed who was on board and the casualties sustained, having survived are remote to say the least. The Musters cease on 31 Oct 1798, which suggests that those in use when the ship was captured are not held by Kew : Admiralty: Royal Navy Ships' Musters (Series I). Ship: AMBUSCADE. Held by: The National Archives - Admiralty, Navy, Royal Marines, and Coastguard Date: 01 September 1797 - 31 October 1798 Reference: ADM 36/14901 Ship: Ambuscade Regarding the Pay Lists which would normally be a copy of the musters, it would appear from the following, that since no break in dates is shown that an attempt "may" have been made to create Pay Lists from information provided following the return of the ship's company to England, in order that the ship's company could be paid off and next of kin paid any arrears due ? Navy Board: Navy Pay Office: Ships' Pay Books (Series III). Ship: Ambuscade. Held by: The National Archives - Admiralty, Navy, Royal Marines, and Coastguard Date: 01 December 1797 - 31 July 1804 Reference: ADM 35/82 Since I don't have access to these documents I can only surmise where you might find what you are looking for, but in view of the Admiralty view on the problem, wouldn't be surprised if what I allude to hasn't survived !! I've made some notes on the Ambuscade which can be found at : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/A/00217.html which take you to an account of the capture of the vessel : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Vol_II/P_242.html which details some of the problems experienced by William James in fleshing out the story. Regarding other places where you might find the details you seek an example of the little information published on the matter, as mentioned by William James, is apparent in the following letter published in the London Gazette : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Vol_II/P_242.html Admiralty-Office, December 22, 1798. Copy of a Letter from the Right Honorable Lord Bridport, K. B. Admiral of the White, &c. to Evan Nepean, Esq; dated the 18th Instant. SIR , Enclosed is a Copy of a Letter from Captain Jenkins, of His Majesty's Ship Ambuscade, which is transmitted to you for their Lordships information. I have the Honor to be, Sir, &c. &c. &c. BRIDPORT So it doesn't even mentioned the capture of the vessel ! Mariners List rules mean that, even if I could made a recommendation regarding a researcher, I shouldn't do so "on list," however, since I've never used research facilities at the National Archives nor a researcher, but no doubt it is quite expensive, so which ever way you do it you need to shop around : for a researcher see : http://apps.nationalarchives.gov.uk/irlist/ and don't forget caveat emptor ; for research by the NA see: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/paid-search-service.htm Paul On Sun, 15 Mar 2015 05:55:40 -0400, AngelaBavidge via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hello >Can anyone help please? >Does anyone have a list of the crew who died on HMS Ambuscade in December >1798 by any chance? > >If not can anyone recommend a researcher, who lives near TNA at Kew >please? Thank you. >Angela > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Angela, What claimed to be a full list of the 10 crew who died on board the Ambuscade was published in the True Briton newspaper of the 12 January 1799 as follows: Dawson Mayne, 1st Lieut.; George Brown, Master; Thomas Powers, Seaman; William Sexton, Seaman; John Brown, Seaman; John Thompson, Seaman; Daniel Britain, Seaman; Massay Campbell, Seaman; John Lewis, Seaman; George M'Comas, Marine.  There were also 37 wounded, including Captain Jenkins who was seriously injured. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: AngelaBavidge via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 15 March 2015, 9:55 Subject: [MAR] HMS Ambuscade and The Bayonnaise 1798 Hello Can anyone help please? Does anyone have a list of the crew who died on HMS Ambuscade in December  1798 by any chance? If not can anyone recommend a researcher, who lives near TNA at Kew  please?  Thank you. Angela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi in my last email i said to Google the name here is what it said This ship H.M.S Ambuscade was block aiding Rochefoot when the smaller corvelle Bayonnaise captured her at Action on the 14 Dec 1789 Also photographs on this sight sailing ships in full rigging Doris -----Original Message----- From: AngelaBavidge via Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:55 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] HMS Ambuscade and The Bayonnaise 1798 Hello Can anyone help please? Does anyone have a list of the crew who died on HMS Ambuscade in December 1798 by any chance? If not can anyone recommend a researcher, who lives near TNA at Kew please? Thank you. Angela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi i cant help you , but a friend needed information on a ship in regards her grand father what i did was Goole the ships name and up it came with the story of the sinking ,give it a try good luck -----Original Message----- From: AngelaBavidge via Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2015 9:55 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] HMS Ambuscade and The Bayonnaise 1798 Hello Can anyone help please? Does anyone have a list of the crew who died on HMS Ambuscade in December 1798 by any chance? If not can anyone recommend a researcher, who lives near TNA at Kew please? Thank you. Angela ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Can anyone help please? Does anyone have a list of the crew who died on HMS Ambuscade in December 1798 by any chance? If not can anyone recommend a researcher, who lives near TNA at Kew please? Thank you. Angela

David Thanks for the quick reply. His name is Bensley Collenette - and I have found him on Mystic Seaport, but only one entry for 1889, which does give me another data point. However, I have also come across a couple of newspaper articles on him in the Boston Post on newspapers.com, which have what has really caught my interest. What I would most like to find out about was that 1894 he was a candidate for Boston Steamship Inspector, and by 1896, had the renewal of his license refused "on ground of intemperance". He appealed, and there was a hearing before the Steamship Inspector in 1896, but the newspaper article just reports that "the evidence will be sent to Washington, and the result of the hearing will not be known for several weeks." There are no further articles in the newspaper, so I wondered where I could go to find out the final outcome. Thanks, Steve Foote > On 14 Mar 2015, at 15:02, David Asprey <davidjasprey@gmail.com> wrote: > > You don't give his name. > But the ship registers online at Mystic City can be searched by ship masters: > http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/VMSearch2.cfm > > David > >> On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Steve Foote via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >> I am trying to find out more about a merchant navy sea captain who >> held a US Master Mariner's license between about 1874 (year he was >> naturalized citizen), and 1896 (when his license expired). I have >> searched the list archives, and the FAQ but cannot find anything >> relevant (so excuse me if I have missed it). >> I have searched the US National Archives web site, but cannot find >> anything about Master Mariner licenses. >> >> I understand that licensing was/is the responsibility of the US >> National Coast Guard Agency, but can find nothing on their web site >> about their archives either. >> Is there an equivalent of Lloyd's Captain's Registers for the USA? >> Any help would be appreciated. >> Many thanks, >> Steve >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, This is an extract from a recent posting by Petra Mitchinson to the Cumberland list. I trust Petra won't mind my relaying to this to the Mariners list. Petra is transcribing stuff e.g, adverts and BMD entries, from the Carlisle Patriot. I just thought that its an example of another source of information for anyone interested in the vessel concerned or even as an example of what was going on in 1817. The Cumberland list archives, have all Petra's previous transcriptions of similar stuff, although many of the adverts relate to land and farm transactions. However, there will no doubt be others related to maritime subject matter. Certainly there are quite a few mariners getting married in the area and ex-mariners dying. There are also occasional reports of ships in difficulties and bodies getting washed up etc. regards Richard ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A Few PASSENGERS may be Accommodated with a PASSAGE to PHILADELPHIA in America, in the beautiful coppered Ship the SALLY, Captain JOSEPH BOUCH, Master and Owner; burthen five hundred tons, late an East India Ship, and now fitting at DUBLIN, to Sail on the 20th JULY, wind and weather permitting. TERMS OF PASSAGE. In the Poop Cabin 25 Guineas. In the State Cabin 20 Ditto. In the Middle Cabin 12 Ditto. The Poop and State Cabin Passengers will be found in Provisions, and will have a Steward to wait upon them; and their Passage to Dublin will be paid by applying to Mrs. BOUCH, of Snow-Hill, near Caldbeck, Cumberland, who will accompany them thither. Passages may be taken of Mr. B. SCOTT, the Printer of this Paper, or of Mr. PETER HODGSON, Whitehaven. N. B. Captain BOUCH will take out a Medical Man with him, for the safety of his Passengers. A Young Man of that description who may wish to go on such a Voyage will be liberally treated with. He may acquire further Information by applying to Mr. SCOTT. Letters to be Post-paid. Dublin, June 11, 1817.

You don't give his name. But the ship registers online at Mystic City can be searched by ship masters: http://library.mysticseaport.org/initiative/VMSearch2.cfm David On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 1:49 AM, Steve Foote via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am trying to find out more about a merchant navy sea captain who > held a US Master Mariner's license between about 1874 (year he was > naturalized citizen), and 1896 (when his license expired). I have > searched the list archives, and the FAQ but cannot find anything > relevant (so excuse me if I have missed it). > I have searched the US National Archives web site, but cannot find > anything about Master Mariner licenses. > > I understand that licensing was/is the responsibility of the US > National Coast Guard Agency, but can find nothing on their web site > about their archives either. > Is there an equivalent of Lloyd's Captain's Registers for the USA? > Any help would be appreciated. > Many thanks, > Steve > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am trying to find out more about a merchant navy sea captain who held a US Master Mariner's license between about 1874 (year he was naturalized citizen), and 1896 (when his license expired). I have searched the list archives, and the FAQ but cannot find anything relevant (so excuse me if I have missed it). I have searched the US National Archives web site, but cannot find anything about Master Mariner licenses. I understand that licensing was/is the responsibility of the US National Coast Guard Agency, but can find nothing on their web site about their archives either. Is there an equivalent of Lloyd's Captain's Registers for the USA? Any help would be appreciated. Many thanks,  Steve

Alan Turnbull wrote: I watched a program last week on channel five in the UK which dealt with a retired detective inspector from the Metropolitan Police called Trevor Marriott who was re examining the case of Jack The Ripper who terrorized the UK in 1888 <<<<<<<<snip> The conclusion of the case which the retired police officer came up with was a new theory based on a German merchant seaman called Carl Feignbaum, who sailed on a ship of the Nor Deutsche Lloyd line called the Reiher. He was able to prove through the excellent German records that the ship had docked in St Kathrine's dock London, which is approximately twelve minutes walk from White chapel where the murders took place on the dates in question. But the actual records for the ships crew were missing, so although he could say the ship was there he was unable to confirm that Carl Feignbaum was part of the crew. "Marriott thought that Feignbaum's attorney had known this and removed the records"? >>>>>><snip> >>>>>>>>>> The programme, at least to UK viewers, is available for another three weeks at http://www.channel5.com/shows/jack-the-ripper-new-suspect-revealed/episodes/jack-the-ripper-killer-revealed-2 Looks like the same thing as National Georgraphic's "Jack The Ripper: The German Suspect." http://natgeotv.com/uk/jack-the-ripper-the-german-suspect A classic case of trying to fit the evidence to support a suspect - and failing. (Which doesn't mean that he didn't do it.) And it's not new - Marriott's theory was published a whole decade ago - and in any case the suggestion of Feigenbaum's complicity has been in print for at least 119 years! http://policegazette.us/FromTheMorgue_5-16-1896_Feigenbaum.html The identification of the REIHER was from examination of shipping records in London (though I think that he says in the programme that it was present in St Katharines for "all but one" of the key dates (ie only three out of four), and he didn't mention whether another NDL ship was present then. The Bremen archives, though are indeed very fine, but in reality all they did was confirm that Feigenbaum was employed by Norddeutscher Lloyd, on a veriety of ships. I was struck, though, that crew lists for the REIHER appear to have been removed from the bound volumes for the period in question (that is, if they were originally there). The suggestion that Feigenbaum's lawyer, William Sanfor Lawton, managed to get hold of these - they were presumably at that time still in the hands of the NDL company itself - strikes me as far-fetched; and lacking in credible motive. More likely removed by an earlier investigator following up the press stories of the 1890s. David

Thank you very much (again), Adi! I do not think the two ladies were near relatives but will surely investigate further. Regards, Albie -----Original Message----- From: Mme_N_Carmichael [mailto:mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca] Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 8:35 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com; Albie Subject: Re: [MAR] Movements smaller English Mechant ships Hello Albie, The entries in Richard Keys' "Dictionary of Tyne Sailing Ships" are in a numbered list in alphabetical order. MOUNTAIN MAID is entry #3134, sandwiched between MOSLEY (#3133) and MOUNTAINEER (#3135). If you Google this term (with the quotation marks, but without the square brackets): ["MOUNTAIN MAID" Shields] you'll get hits for The Mercantile Navy List, which will give you her call letters, and also this free download book: The Shipwrecked mariner - Page 112 - Google Books Result https://books.google.ca/books?id=SbEEAAAAQAAJ 1860 Monarch Merchant Mountain Maid . ... Shields That book is actually 3 volumes of 4 quarterly reports each. They are Volume VII - 1860 Volume VIII - 1861 Volume IX - 1862 By Google's pagination, there are 733 pages in total. You'll find something of interest on pages 364 (Relief to Shipwrecked Crews between 1 Dec. 1860 and 28 Feb. 1861) and 365 (the amount paid on behalf of the surviving crew members of MOUNTAIN MAID). As a Bonus!, have a look at page 484 ("Annual Grants to Widows"). Amongst the North Shields mariners' widows are a Jane Gibson and a Margaret Gibson, also their ages and the numbers of children they had. Are either of those yours? So ... to answer your question ... Yes!, you'll find little nuggets (not whole pages) of information about your ships in many places. Whenever you happen across a new source, just plug in your names and try. Many times you'll come up empty, but other times you'll be immensely pleased with the treasures you find. Regards, Adi -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 3/2/15, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Subject: [MAR] Movements smaller English Mechant ships To: mariners@rootsweb.com Received: Monday, March 2, 2015, 1:37 AM Hi, Some real novice questions: I see there are 2 numbers that relates to a ship, for instance, 3134 "The Mountain Maid" and O/N 1246 what are their respective meanings? Is there a way, except newspaper notices, to get more information and movements of smaller English merchant ships (300-500)tons that worked the Baltic, Mediterranean and Black see, East Indies and Quebec? Thanks, Albie Gibson South Africa