Thanks very much! He drowned off Rosherville, Gravesend. In fact, I may have found the place he spent his fateful last evening.    OLD SUN INN Pub of Northfleet |   | |   | |   |   |   |   |   | | OLD SUN INN Pub of NorthfleetHistorical archives of pubs in Northfleet, Kent, England. | | | | View on www.dover-kent.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | |   | https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Old+Sun,+Crete+Hall+Rd,+Northfleet,+Gravesend,+Kent+DA11+9AA/@51.447097,0.3531645,1685m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x47d8b6134df4a289:0xf20b06737e4529d3 But probably not. I'll be honest, I still don't understand what athwart a tier of steamers means. Could you find an image of a tier of moored vessels like you describe so I can picture it better? Was the rowing boat trying to go inbetween the moored steamers and the tide swept it into them and it capsized?  Tell me if the rest of the story is wrong anyway, as far as we can guess: they would have set off from Goole in Goole No. 6, towing a barge full of coal via the East Coast to the Thames; they'd then have have moored up in a tier of steamers in a place regularly used for that purpose; then rowed in the ship's rowing boat to a pub on the shore and back again, where the rowing boat capsized before it could reach Goole No.6 and William drowned. Although I don't know at which point the coal was unloaded. Also, just to flesh the story out a bit more: can you approximate how large the crew would have been? How far out would they have been moored so how far would they have had to row? Would there have been many seamen still working in their 60s then? Obviously I know absolutely nothing about boats or sailing so sorry for any daft questions. But I may as well ask as I'm here. When I first read the document I was surprised an experienced seaman could drown in such a mundane way (from ship to shore), but as you explain it was dangerous work. On Tuesday, 3 March 2015, 11:11, Andy Adams via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Jean I watched to see if anyone else was going to reply, nothing so far so I offer my explanation/description. On the tidal Thames from Denton, just below Gravesend to just below Tower Bridge there were  'tiers' where vessels were moored to await orders to proceed to a discharging berth (most commonly in the NE coal trade), or where barges would wait whilst waiting the next employment. These 'tiers' were formed by laying mooring bouys such that a vessel could be tied up to two bouys, fore and aft, so that they could not swing out into the river. Gaps were left between tiers so that vessels and craft could pass through to reach riverside berths. It seems likely that a decision was made to row ashore in the ships boat to enjoy a night in a hostelry. On returning great care had to taken, the tide runs very hard at the tier locations and there is very real danger, especially in the dark, of being swept onto the mooring resulting in the boat being upset and the occupants deposited in the water. On balance this seems the most likely explanation as this was not an uncommon occurrence on the Thames. I hope this was useful. Best wishes Andrew Adams ------------------------------- Supplementary to the detailed and interesting response from Andy Adams, I was puzzled as to how she thought this incident involved a tug based in Goole - the GOOLE NO. 6. George Robinson, compiler of the gooleships website says: she was one of the larger ones and may have been down there, think I read that Goole & Hull ST had some barges that were used for coal shipments under tow so that could have been why she was on the Thames. See NORA, EDITH, ELSIE (barges included in gooleships), all too big to be used on the Humber I think. This seems to tie in with the explanation detailed by Andy. Ron Mapplebeck (UK)  

Hi Jo If he served on board a vessel on the West Africa Squadron then you need to find the vessel on which he served. Over the years quite a lot of vessels were involved in this work, in the early days only spending relatively short periods on station, whereas, from the mid 1820s the vessels involved in this work could spend 2-4 years on station, often with brief breaks to Ascension Island, the Cape of Goog Hope, or St Helena from the 1840s. If any of his children were baptised when he was on board one of these vessels then there is a remote chance that the ship's name might have been mentioned in the PRs, and ditto for when he got married i.e. once you have a starting point you might be able to follow his career in the RN, from ship to ship, backwards as well as forwards using either the muster or pay lists for the vessels on which he served, since the former of these volumes list all the personnel who served on board, and the latter all those who were entitled to pay. Senegal, BTW, except for The Gambia, was mostly under French control during the 19th Century, although I'm not too sure what the state of affairs was during the Napoleonic Wars. See the Wiki page on Senegal, which includes a map showing where The Gambia was. In the main the Squadron operated from Sierra Leone, although, there was a brief period during the 1830s when Fernando Po was earmarked as the centre for operations, but the health problems experienced were worse than the mainland and the squadron soon moved back to Sierra Leone. In addition, parts of the Squadron were detailed off to operate along the coast from the Gambia, down to what is now Angola, as required. In addition vessels coming down from the UK would often have a look around the Cape Verde islands to see if slave vessels were hiding away in the islands, since the authorities were so poorly paid they were invariably happy to take back-handers to let the slave ships take advantage of the local facilities for watering their vessels and hiding away from the RN etc., until such time as they were ready to sail for the Coast to pick up their human "cargo." Please note that this was often the term used in those days. >definite about his navy career and possibly army -can these two be mixed? In those days yes, and in later years too, as long as there was no desertion involved. >It is also said that at some point he contracted Yellow Fever while >exploring the Gambia River area Most of the areas where fresh water might lie, especially during the rainy season, mosquitoes will thrive and malaria and yellow fever are a serious problem, and in those days few of the surgeons were familiar with what was known as the "Bark," i.e. the bark (of the Cinchona) from which quinine was produced and given to the crews by some of the better informed surgeons as a form of prophylaxis, at least for malaria.....quite good for leg cramps too ;-) So Malaria and Yellow Fever were quite common and it wasn't unknown for members of the ship's company to become debilitated by these diseases, and the only cure was to send them home, although if a lot of the ship's company were affected, with some deaths, they might sail for Ascension to get the crew fit again, but those who didn't respond to the sea air would usually be left there to pick up the next RN ship going to the UK. Many never got really fit again and were only ever able to do light work, if any, so it isn't unusual to see Greenwich Pensioners in the census who were late of the West Coast of Africa. So, ignoring all the waffle, you need the name of a ship on which he served, and from that, should they have survived, you need either the ship's Muster or Pay Lists, held by the National Archives at Kew, where he should hopefully be listed, and if you are lucky you may be able to follow his career from ship to ship, since there weren't that many volunteers for the West Africa Squadron, for good reason. Paul On Fri, 20 Mar 2015 20:28:19 +1300, Jo Wynne via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >I wonder if there is an expert on the West Africa Squadron who can help me >find out if my great, great grandfather John Dodds was, as family stories >say in the Royal Navy in West Africa any time between 1814 - 1850 >John Dodds was born 1790 in Alnwick, Northumberland. >We have a good record of his four marriages and his children but nothing >definite about his navy career and possibly army -can these two be mixed? >Family story says that when his first wife, Elizabeth Strother died 1814 >he went to sea and rose through the ranks to Capt. It is said that he went >to Africa to act against the slave trade working out of St. Louis, >Senegal. >It is also said that he was in the army and was an aide de campe to Sir >Thomas Brereton, governor of Senegal. >1818 he married Marie-Sophie Feultaine in Senegal and had 3 children. A >grandson of this couple was General Alfred Amadee Dodds >1825 back in Alnwick he married Mary Frances Hindmarsh and they had 7 >children., some say that he continued his naval career during this marriage >but others say that he resumed it at her death in 1838. >1850 he married Mary Hughes , went to Australia and after the age of 60 >had 8 more children! >1838- his motherless children in Alnwick saw him once a year and it was >said that he was at sea the rest of the time. (I don't know if the children >in Senegal ever saw him again) >It is also said that at some point he contracted Yellow Fever while >exploring the Gambia River area and was sent back to England to recover. >I found a list of ships of the West Africa Squadron but no John Dodds. >I know this is all rather vague. I would be grateful for any help or >direction as to where to look for answers. >Jo > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Listers I must apologise to Lyndon for using that email to send the message regarding the George:Help. I should have included a line to say I was just responding via that message as I didn't want to run therisk of having any more to do with the spam email. It only takes one kindhearted but less aware person to make the mistake of responding for these activities to beencouraged. Regards to allElizabeth

I wonder if there is an expert on the West Africa Squadron who can help me find out if my great, great grandfather John Dodds was, as family stories say in the Royal Navy in West Africa any time between 1814 - 1850 John Dodds was born 1790 in Alnwick, Northumberland. We have a good record of his four marriages and his children but nothing definite about his navy career and possibly army -can these two be mixed? Family story says that when his first wife, Elizabeth Strother died 1814 he went to sea and rose through the ranks to Capt. It is said that he went to Africa to act against the slave trade working out of St. Louis, Senegal. It is also said that he was in the army and was an aide de campe to Sir Thomas Brereton, governor of Senegal. 1818 he married Marie-Sophie Feultaine in Senegal and had 3 children. A grandson of this couple was General Alfred Amadee Dodds 1825 back in Alnwick he married Mary Frances Hindmarsh and they had 7 children., some say that he continued his naval career during this marriage but others say that he resumed it at her death in 1838. 1850 he married Mary Hughes , went to Australia and after the age of 60 had 8 more children! 1838- his motherless children in Alnwick saw him once a year and it was said that he was at sea the rest of the time. (I don't know if the children in Senegal ever saw him again) It is also said that at some point he contracted Yellow Fever while exploring the Gambia River area and was sent back to England to recover. I found a list of ships of the West Africa Squadron but no John Dodds. I know this is all rather vague. I would be grateful for any help or direction as to where to look for answers. Jo

George, Thanks for your message and hope you soon get things sorted. However, please let us know if you have continuing difficulties. As Nivard pointed out your "spam" message purported to come from your genuine email address which is in our membership list, which is why it showed up as normal on the List. By now most of us have received similar fake messages ovr the years from people on our own email address lists, so we know to ignore them, and hope the "sender" is able to clean things up successfully. Ron Mapplebeck Joint Administrator - Mariners' List ***** On 20/03/2015 18:04, George via wrote: > To all members I apologise for the mail they have been receiving George help. > I am sorting this problem out so please delete these e,mails I am so sorry. > I have been on this site a long time and I love this site. > Regards George > > George > georstrode@aol.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > To: mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:10 > Subject: Re: [MAR] George: HELP > > > Hi Ted > > I am afraid its not quite that simple > > In the vast majority of cases > the owner of the email address from where > the phishing mail came from will be > blissfully unaware that their > security has been compromised, a simple click on > the wrong site or > misleading link is all it takes, they could have been a > subscriber for > years, this can and does happen to anyone > > The ne'er do wells > take over the address book of the infiltrated > computer and sends out > unsolicited mails, in the hope that someone > responds to either pay them money > or simply to get a live email address > to send yet more spam to > > The person > who owns the email address is probably now aware that they > have a problem and > will hopefully take remedial action > > The best action in most cases is for the > list user to delete the mail, > do not respond or mark it as spam, never resend > the spam to the list > > List admin will have the offending mail removed from the > archives in due > course > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 20/03/2015 > 10:54, Ted Finch via wrote: >> This sender has obviously subscribed to Mariners > in order to have been >> able to post to the list and should have been > unsubscribed by the >> listowners. >> >> regards >> Ted > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi List, I'm not sure why "Anne in Wales" thinks my request for help is Spam? The title of the email she references : "MAR George: Help" is not mine, and bears no relation to my query. An error on her part, perhaps?? I would like to assure you my request is genuine, and I have posted to the list previously. I am trying to find information on my ancestor, who was master of the "Sarah" between 1824 and 1832. Regards Lynden From: Hughes, Lynden M Sent: 20 March 2015 11:47 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: TNA - Board of Trade Records (BT98) I should have said in my last email - I am looking for musters/crew lists for the following voyages to the South Seas Fishery: April 1824 the "Sarah", master - Hill, returned October 1826 March 1827 the "Sarah", master - Hill, returned June 1829 September 1829 the "Sarah", master - Hill, returned October 1831 February 1832 the "Pacific", master - Hill, returned August 1834 Thanks Lynden From: Hughes, Lynden M Sent: 19 March 2015 16:25 To: mariners@rootsweb.com<mailto:mariners@rootsweb.com> Subject: TNA - Board of Trade Records (BT98) Can someone please point me in the right direction on the TNA catalogue to find the Muster Rolls 1820-1830 for ships sailing from Port of Registry: London, in BT98? I have found the Agreements & Crews Lists from 1835, but can't find anything earlier and seem to be going round in circles. I can't believe they don't exist - or are they filed elsewhere? Grateful for any help, Lynden

Sorry to butt in Although a little dated now, see http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/UKCensuses.html Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/03/2015 14:56, Jackie via wrote: > Thank you very much David, > This information has been very helpful. > Do you know if there were any census records for the Merchant Vessels for those abroad at the time of the census? If that makes sense? > > Thanks > Jackie

Hi David Unfortunately someone somewhere along the line, used the right subject line but for reasons unknown the wrong post (digest perhaps?) It was nothing at all to do with Lyndens post and all to do with a post purporting to come from a George re being mugged, he is almost certainly *not* in the Phillipines Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/03/2015 14:16, David Asprey via wrote: > Sorry -but I don't understand what the problem is with this. > Lynden has subsequently further clarified her query. > > David

Thank you very much David, This information has been very helpful. Do you know if there were any census records for the Merchant Vessels for those abroad at the time of the census? If that makes sense? Thanks Jackie > On 19 Mar 2015, at 12:53, David Asprey via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 19, 2015 at 5:25 AM, Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com >> wrote: > >> <snip>Also Edward Byrne is listed in the 1867 Mercantile Navy List as >> owner of the 165 ton, 60 HP vessel ELFIN of Hong Kong, Official Number >> 42955. >> (The Official Number was a permanent and unique identifier of a vessel. It >> remained the same no matter how many times the vessel changed owner, >> changed name or changed Port of Registry.) >> When you plug that O.N. in at the CLIP website I gave you in the previous >> post, you'll see that she was built in Canada. > Intriguing snippets to be found on ELFIN. > Built Prince Edward Island and registered there 6 Nov 1862 as 174nrt > sailing vessel (ON 42955) > 14/7/1865 registry cancelled as "sold foreign" > 1865 re-registered at Hong Kong as a steamship of 165nrt and 60nhp in > ownership of Edward Byrne, Shanghai > by 1868/1869 British registry cancelled (not in Mercantile Navy List > 1870). > > Also found that she was already a steamer by late 1864. Assuming that this > is the same vessel, a steamer ELFIN, 174 tons, Capt Thomas, arrived in > Formosa from Yokohama in Dec 1864 with general cardo and was dispatched to > Yokohama 1/1865 with general cargo (apparently the first exports from > Formosa as it opened itself to foreign trade) [James W Davidson "The Island > of Formosa Past and Present", author, Yokohama 1903 - page 179] > http://tinyurl.com/pxpozce > > North China Herald, 12 Jul 1873 "A small river steamer named the Elfin was > launched from Farnham's building yard at New Dock yesterday The original > Elfin was seized it will be some ten back at on the pretext that it had not > the requisite Custom House. The hull having become room it was determined > to place her which still remained in a new shell and this has been success > fully" [a biy cryptic, from an OCR - > http://newspaperarchive.com/chn/shanghai/shanghai/north-china-herald/1873/07-12/page-5 > > The 1873 ELFIN doesn't seem to have been registered as a British ship. > > David > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry -but I don't understand what the problem is with this. Lynden has subsequently further clarified her query. David On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 4:29 AM, elizabeth shepherd via < mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I hope nobody has responded to this email. It is almost certainly a SCAM. > BEWARE BEWARE do not send any money to this person. > Elizabeth > > From: "Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com" <Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com> > To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015, 8:25 > Subject: [MAR] TNA - Board of Trade Records (BT98) > > Can someone please point me in the right direction on the TNA catalogue to > find the Muster Rolls 1820-1830 for ships sailing from Port of Registry: > London, in BT98? I have found the Agreements & Crews Lists from 1835, but > can't find anything earlier and seem to be going round in circles. I can't > believe they don't exist - or are they filed elsewhere? > Grateful for any help, > Lynden > ------------------------------- >

To all members I apologise for the mail they have been receiving George help. I am sorting this problem out so please delete these e,mails I am so sorry. I have been on this site a long time and I love this site. Regards George George georstrode@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:10 Subject: Re: [MAR] George: HELP Hi Ted I am afraid its not quite that simple In the vast majority of cases the owner of the email address from where the phishing mail came from will be blissfully unaware that their security has been compromised, a simple click on the wrong site or misleading link is all it takes, they could have been a subscriber for years, this can and does happen to anyone The ne'er do wells take over the address book of the infiltrated computer and sends out unsolicited mails, in the hope that someone responds to either pay them money or simply to get a live email address to send yet more spam to The person who owns the email address is probably now aware that they have a problem and will hopefully take remedial action The best action in most cases is for the list user to delete the mail, do not respond or mark it as spam, never resend the spam to the list List admin will have the offending mail removed from the archives in due course Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/03/2015 10:54, Ted Finch via wrote: > This sender has obviously subscribed to Mariners in order to have been > able to post to the list and should have been unsubscribed by the > listowners. > > regards > Ted ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I should have said in my last email - I am looking for musters/crew lists for the following voyages to the South Seas Fishery: April 1824 the "Sarah", master - Hill, returned October 1826 March 1827 the "Sarah", master - Hill, returned June 1829 September 1829 the "Sarah", master - Hill, returned October 1831 February 1832 the "Pacific", master - Hill, returned August 1834 Thanks Lynden From: Hughes, Lynden M Sent: 19 March 2015 16:25 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: TNA - Board of Trade Records (BT98) Can someone please point me in the right direction on the TNA catalogue to find the Muster Rolls 1820-1830 for ships sailing from Port of Registry: London, in BT98? I have found the Agreements & Crews Lists from 1835, but can't find anything earlier and seem to be going round in circles. I can't believe they don't exist - or are they filed elsewhere? Grateful for any help, Lynden

Hi Ted I am afraid its not quite that simple In the vast majority of cases the owner of the email address from where the phishing mail came from will be blissfully unaware that their security has been compromised, a simple click on the wrong site or misleading link is all it takes, they could have been a subscriber for years, this can and does happen to anyone The ne'er do wells take over the address book of the infiltrated computer and sends out unsolicited mails, in the hope that someone responds to either pay them money or simply to get a live email address to send yet more spam to The person who owns the email address is probably now aware that they have a problem and will hopefully take remedial action The best action in most cases is for the list user to delete the mail, do not respond or mark it as spam, never resend the spam to the list List admin will have the offending mail removed from the archives in due course Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/03/2015 10:54, Ted Finch via wrote: > This sender has obviously subscribed to Mariners in order to have been > able to post to the list and should have been unsubscribed by the > listowners. > > regards > Ted

This sender has obviously subscribed to Mariners in order to have been able to post to the list and should have been unsubscribed by the listowners. regards Ted On 20/03/2015 09:35, anne via wrote: > I just deleted them but wondered if I should have labelled it as 'spam'. Had I done so would I have prevented messages coming through from 'Mariners'? > > Regards, > . Anne in Wales > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Mar 20 2015, 04:33 AM > From: "elizabeth shepherd via" > To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" > Cc: > Subject: Re: [MAR] George: HELP > > I hope nobody has responded to this email. It is almost certainly a SCAM. BEWARE BEWARE do not send any money to this person. > Elizabeth > > From: "Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com" > To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" > Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015, 8:25 > Subject: [MAR] TNA - Board of Trade Records (BT98) > > Can someone please point me in the right direction on the TNA catalogue to find the Muster Rolls 1820-1830 for ships sailing from Port of Registry: London, in BT98? I have found the Agreements & Crews Lists from 1835, but can't find anything earlier and seem to be going round in circles. I can't believe they don't exist - or are they filed elsewhere? > Grateful for any help, > Lynden > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I just deleted them but wondered if I should have labelled it as 'spam'. Had I done so would I have prevented messages coming through from 'Mariners'? Regards, . Anne in Wales ======================================== Message Received: Mar 20 2015, 04:33 AM From: "elizabeth shepherd via" To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" Cc: Subject: Re: [MAR] George: HELP I hope nobody has responded to this email. It is almost certainly a SCAM.  BEWARE  BEWARE do not send any money to this person. Elizabeth From: "Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com" To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015, 8:25 Subject: [MAR] TNA - Board of Trade Records (BT98) Can someone please point me in the right direction on the TNA catalogue to find the Muster Rolls 1820-1830 for ships sailing from Port of Registry: London, in BT98?  I have found the Agreements & Crews Lists from 1835, but can't find anything earlier and seem to be going round in circles.  I can't believe they don't exist - or are they filed elsewhere? Grateful for any help, Lynden ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne Never mark *any* list mail as spam Not that marking anything as spam does anything useful but it may have the list black listed as a spammer Just delete them Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/03/2015 09:35, anne via wrote: > I just deleted them but wondered if I should have labelled it as 'spam'. Had I done so would I have prevented messages coming through from 'Mariners'? > > Regards, > . Anne in Wales

I hope nobody has responded to this email. It is almost certainly a SCAM.  BEWARE  BEWARE do not send any money to this person. Elizabeth From: "Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com" <Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, 19 March 2015, 8:25 Subject: [MAR] TNA - Board of Trade Records (BT98) Can someone please point me in the right direction on the TNA catalogue to find the Muster Rolls 1820-1830 for ships sailing from Port of Registry: London, in BT98?  I have found the Agreements & Crews Lists from 1835, but can't find anything earlier and seem to be going round in circles.  I can't believe they don't exist - or are they filed elsewhere? Grateful for any help, Lynden ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are indeed Geoff It has been quiet but there were a few posts, probably best to check the list archives to see if you have missed any Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 19/03/2015 17:05, Geoffrey Nobbs via wrote: > Hi, everybody > Am I still onlist? (suddenly realising I've not heard recently - probably my mistake ?? > Geoff ex Gt Yarmouth

Hi, everybody Am I still onlist? (suddenly realising I've not heard recently - probably my mistake ?? Geoff ex Gt Yarmouth > From: ovington1@sky.com > To: mariners-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2012 10:37:19 +0100 > Subject: [MAR] Thomas Penny FILL Master mariner wrecked 1839 Holland > > Hi all > > Recently there was an enquiry regarding Thomas Penny FILL one of many FILL mariners of Great > Yarmouth > > He was shipwrecked of the Dutch coast in 1839 and wrote a letter home informing his wife and letting > her know he and the crew were safe, my transcription of that letter below, I wondered if it might be > of interest to others and of course to future FILL researchers > > Thomas Penny FILL was the uncle to Thomas John Golding FILL b1840 Great Yarmouth who married my > great great aunt Fanny YOELL > > (Thomas Penny Fill - letter to his wife and family after his ship was wrecked on the Dutch coast in > 1839) > > ========================= > > Weirum in Holland January 16th 1839 > > My Dear x loving wife and family > Once more the Lord have thought proper to give me an opportunity of writing a few lines to > you hoping to find you all in a perfect state of health as thank God me and your father & all hands > are at this preasant. My dear I am happy to state to you that our lives are all once more saved > after being in a perrilous situation for 9 days. When I left you on Saturday I little thought what I > was going to encounter with. I left you on Saturday or Sunday & bore up again for Yarmouth Roads but > just as I got close to Winterton the wind came away to the SW again. We kept our Reach to the North > and on Monday morning at 2 Oclock we passed Flambrohead at 4 Oclock we had a complete Hurricane > which hove our ship on her beam ends, we stowed all the canvas and the vessel made so much water and > the ballast being all over on one side, the pumps where both chooked and the ship would not righten > so we where obliged to cut away the mainmast but still the ship would wear. She then shifted a verry > hevy sea and washed the Boat to leward and from that time till Wednesday we lay on our Broadside, we > where obliged to turn too with buckets and bale the water out of the hold we could not cook anything > till Saturday then we cooked 2 pieces of Beef x little or no sleep? all the time and the ship still > making much water, all the decks ??? parted and the seams all opened we continued baleing this way > till Monday when we saw the Dutch land and found we could not get clear of it. > > My duty to Mothers and love to Brothers & Sisters & others? > I hope you will except that same love and Duty towards yourself and my Dear little ones and give > them an dExtry Kiss for me and father, Miss Clod our dog was up to the Rig? she might as well told a > fellow what was going tp happen as to run away as shabby as she did, I shall have a reckoning with > her when please God I come home, My Dear when you receive this I hope you will meet me with a few > lines in London, Direct for me to be left at the Coopers Arms Lower Thomas St London, and I shall > write to you as soon as I arrive there. If I should not get my clothes we shall all get a fit out > from the British Consel before I come away, Now my dear and loving wife and mothers I conclude this > time by praying to God to Bless you all, I remain your loving husband Thos P Fill & father John > Palmer > > You need not be afraid of any one seeing this I shall not write to the owner till all is settled. > > This place I am at is rather in Freesland more than in Holland > > ===================== > > (spelling as per letter) > > I have yet to ascertain the name of the vessel that was wrecked > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone please point me in the right direction on the TNA catalogue to find the Muster Rolls 1820-1830 for ships sailing from Port of Registry: London, in BT98? I have found the Agreements & Crews Lists from 1835, but can't find anything earlier and seem to be going round in circles. I can't believe they don't exist - or are they filed elsewhere? Grateful for any help, Lynden