Hi Peter I've not seen a response, and don't really think I can help, but FWIW..... During the inter-war years one reads in the newspapers of the troopships Derbyshire, Marglen, Nevasa, Zeeland, Bellerophon, Assaye, Dorsetshire, Somersetshire, and Wiltshire. In addition there are mentions of the transports Neuralia, City of Marseilles, Lancashire, Nevasa, Dorsetshire, and Somersetshire being used as troopships, so taking into account the cross over of names, these vessels would appear to have been hired/leased or whatever by the War Office as troopships too. And a browse of Google takes one to : http://www.queensroyalsurreys.org.uk/troopships/ts003.html which will hopefully give you an idea as to the status of some of these troopships. If there was no room, then it was a case of waiting for the next troopship. And even when reading the accompanying blurb to the above mentions of the troopships and transports, they are invariably dealing with large numbers of men from specific Army regiments i.e. no mentions of small nos. of Army, RN or RAF personnel, who, ISTR reading, were usually accommodated on board if there were any vacancies after the troops had settled in ! Regret have no idea regarding passenger lists, although I wouldn't be surprised if the senior officer of the troops on board made arrangements for this sort of thing ? But where they are now, ie whether they are at Kew or in some infantry regiment's archive, along with the diaries etc ? Paul On Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:36:13 +0100, P NICHOLL via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Are there any lists of UK troopships departing the UK in the 1920s and 1930s?  I'm particularly interested in RAF movements to Egypt and India. >Thanks >Peter > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Rhiannon and Gavin, I am very interested in this conversion and I hope you don't mind if I join because I have a similar problem. My Gibson family owned about 9 "colliers/merchant ships" over the time period 1827 t0 1871 at North Shields and thanks to Adi, I have the ships names and most ON numbers and measurements. Most were built in Sunderland and some in Shields. I am researching the movements and history of these ships and am also a keen but novice model builder. It is now clear that they were not only coastal operators but went to the Canada, East and West Indies at the time. I would very much like to have a plan of a Merchant sailing ship of about 400 tons and about 120x23x17 feet from that time. Any advice would help! Regards, Albie Gibson South Africa -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of rhiannon lewis via Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 10:35 PM To: Gavin McLelland; Mariners Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship's plan Hi Gavin Thank you for your reply. I really am stuck! The ship was built by Laird Brothers and it was a fast mail ship for Chile. Are you saying that similar ships built by Lairds at the time would be close to the same design? Or that the subsequent owners of the ship would have plans? The Compania Sud Americana de Vapores have lost all their records from what I understand so are unlikely to have anything. Perhaps a trip to Wirral archives is on the cards to see what else they have which might help. Soon after launch the 'Imperial' was commandeered for the Chilean Civil War and fitted out for battle so she had an interesting time of it.The closest ship in shape (although not in size) that I have found was Harland and Wolff's Majestic. I just wish I had a maritime background and understood more about ships! Rhiannon > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:14:25 +0100 > From: gavin.mclelland@btinternet.com > To: rhiannonglynn@msn.com; mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship's plan > > Rhiannon > > There's an old Naval Architects joke that goes something like this > > Metal Shop workers work to the nearest 1/1000th of an inch Carpenters > work to the nearest 1/4 of an inch Shipbuilders work to the nearest > ship > > Any ships built in the area that were intended for a similar purpose > will probably be very similar. > > You may have tried this already but if the ship was built for a > reasonably large shipping line you may be able to find some drawings > of the vessel in their archives > > Gavin > > > On 13/04/2015 11:06, rhiannon lewis via wrote: > > > > > > Dear all > > I would appreciate any help at all this - I have hit a brick wall! > > I have been searching for a ship's plan for the 'Imperial' launched in 1889 by Laird Brothers of Birkenhead. She was a screw steamer with 3 masts and 2 funnels. I have a photograph for her but try as I might I cannot find a ship's plan. I have tried Wirral archives (where all the Laird Brothers archives are stored) and the National Maritime Museum with no luck. It seems that the plans no longer exist. > > The next step is to find a similar ship's plan. I cannot post a photograph here but if anyone thinks they might be able to help me locate a similar plan then I can send the photograph on to them. I even have a picture of her saloon. > > Thank you in advance! > > Rhiannon > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rhiannon There's an old Naval Architects joke that goes something like this Metal Shop workers work to the nearest 1/1000th of an inch Carpenters work to the nearest 1/4 of an inch Shipbuilders work to the nearest ship Any ships built in the area that were intended for a similar purpose will probably be very similar. You may have tried this already but if the ship was built for a reasonably large shipping line you may be able to find some drawings of the vessel in their archives Gavin On 13/04/2015 11:06, rhiannon lewis via wrote: > > > Dear all > I would appreciate any help at all this - I have hit a brick wall! > I have been searching for a ship's plan for the 'Imperial' launched in 1889 by Laird Brothers of Birkenhead. She was a screw steamer with 3 masts and 2 funnels. I have a photograph for her but try as I might I cannot find a ship's plan. I have tried Wirral archives (where all the Laird Brothers archives are stored) and the National Maritime Museum with no luck. It seems that the plans no longer exist. > The next step is to find a similar ship's plan. I cannot post a photograph here but if anyone thinks they might be able to help me locate a similar plan then I can send the photograph on to them. I even have a picture of her saloon. > Thank you in advance! > Rhiannon > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hi Gavin Thank you for your reply. I really am stuck! The ship was built by Laird Brothers and it was a fast mail ship for Chile. Are you saying that similar ships built by Lairds at the time would be close to the same design? Or that the subsequent owners of the ship would have plans? The Compania Sud Americana de Vapores have lost all their records from what I understand so are unlikely to have anything. Perhaps a trip to Wirral archives is on the cards to see what else they have which might help. Soon after launch the 'Imperial' was commandeered for the Chilean Civil War and fitted out for battle so she had an interesting time of it.The closest ship in shape (although not in size) that I have found was Harland and Wolff's Majestic. I just wish I had a maritime background and understood more about ships! Rhiannon > Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:14:25 +0100 > From: gavin.mclelland@btinternet.com > To: rhiannonglynn@msn.com; mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship's plan > > Rhiannon > > There's an old Naval Architects joke that goes something like this > > Metal Shop workers work to the nearest 1/1000th of an inch > Carpenters work to the nearest 1/4 of an inch > Shipbuilders work to the nearest ship > > Any ships built in the area that were intended for a similar purpose > will probably be very similar. > > You may have tried this already but if the ship was built for a > reasonably large shipping line you may be able to find some drawings of > the vessel in their archives > > Gavin > > > On 13/04/2015 11:06, rhiannon lewis via wrote: > > > > > > Dear all > > I would appreciate any help at all this - I have hit a brick wall! > > I have been searching for a ship's plan for the 'Imperial' launched in 1889 by Laird Brothers of Birkenhead. She was a screw steamer with 3 masts and 2 funnels. I have a photograph for her but try as I might I cannot find a ship's plan. I have tried Wirral archives (where all the Laird Brothers archives are stored) and the National Maritime Museum with no luck. It seems that the plans no longer exist. > > The next step is to find a similar ship's plan. I cannot post a photograph here but if anyone thinks they might be able to help me locate a similar plan then I can send the photograph on to them. I even have a picture of her saloon. > > Thank you in advance! > > Rhiannon > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >

Trust all our listers have enough experience to ignore this - it is obvious George has been hacked, and this is a scam message. Therefore, do not respond direct to George's email address. Ron Mapplebeck Administrator **** On 15/04/2015 10:30, George via wrote: > - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. - > > How are you, > Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in UKRAINE since last night. I was beaten and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my assistant to send me money to get back home but he hasn't responded. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home. My return flight will be leaving soon, please let me know if I can count on you. > Kindly let me know if you would be able to help me out so I can forward you the details required for a wire transfer. > Waiting to hear back from you.. > Thanks > George > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Very plausible it may appear, but no more than a scam by someone who has got hold George's address book. You will note from the form of address that it is plainly written by someone who hasn't got a clue who's going to receive the message. Paul On Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:30:16 +0100, George via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > - This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. - > >How are you, >Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in UKRAINE since last night. I was beaten and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my assistant to send me money to get back home but he hasn't responded. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home. My return flight will be leaving soon, please let me know if I can count on you. >Kindly let me know if you would be able to help me out so I can forward you the details required for a wire transfer. >Waiting to hear back from you.. >Thanks >George > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

- This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. - How are you, Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in UKRAINE since last night. I was beaten and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my assistant to send me money to get back home but he hasn't responded. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home. My return flight will be leaving soon, please let me know if I can count on you. Kindly let me know if you would be able to help me out so I can forward you the details required for a wire transfer. Waiting to hear back from you.. Thanks George

- This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. - How are you, Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in UKRAINE since last night. I was beaten and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my assistant to send me money to get back home but he hasn't responded. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home. My return flight will be leaving soon, please let me know if I can count on you. Kindly let me know if you would be able to help me out so I can forward you the details required for a wire transfer. Waiting to hear back from you.. Thanks George

- This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. - How are you, Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in UKRAINE since last night. I was beaten and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my assistant to send me money to get back home but he hasn't responded. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home. My return flight will be leaving soon, please let me know if I can count on you. Kindly let me know if you would be able to help me out so I can forward you the details required for a wire transfer. Waiting to hear back from you.. Thanks George

- This mail is in HTML. Some elements may be ommited in plain text. - How are you, Sorry for any inconvenience, I'm in a terrible situation. Am stranded here in UKRAINE since last night. I was beaten and robbed on my way to the hotel I stayed and my luggage is still in custody of the hotel management pending when I make payment on outstanding bills I owe. Am waiting for my assistant to send me money to get back home but he hasn't responded. Please let me know if you can help and I will refund the money back to you as soon as I get back home. My return flight will be leaving soon, please let me know if I can count on you. Kindly let me know if you would be able to help me out so I can forward you the details required for a wire transfer. Waiting to hear back from you.. Thanks George

Greetings cousins The NZ naval training school at Kohimarama was established in 1874, across the Auckland harbour mouth from Devonport Naval Base. It’s Internet-accessible surviving records seem to be poor, and it closed after about seven years. Would my orphaned Burgess brothers - William Henry b 1858 and Thomas Alfred b 1862 - both known to be in the Lyttelton (Christchurch) orphanage in 1873, be likely to have been sent there for naval training, or directly apprenticed to a ships’s Captain? Their father was Master Mariner Richard Plummer Burgess, drowned 1863. (I have a lot of information on Richard in the UK and Australia and NZ, so don’t spend time on him please.) If they became sailors, as family legend claims, a lot of effort fails to find them as adults. William Henry Burgess reputedly settled in Australia. I found one man who seemed possible, but he turned out to be German . . . Thomas Alfred Burgess probably married and settled in Ireland and died childless, so there’s even less chance of finding him. I’m hunting for the descendants of William, mostly to share the results of the research I have done. Their mother was fascinating Irish Famine Orphan Winifred Callaghan, sent to Australia on the Earl Grey scheme . . . . Many thanks for any ideas or suggestions Migs (Margaret) Eder, NZ.

Are there any lists of UK troopships departing the UK in the 1920s and 1930s?  I'm particularly interested in RAF movements to Egypt and India. Thanks Peter

Dear all I would appreciate any help at all this - I have hit a brick wall! I have been searching for a ship's plan for the 'Imperial' launched in 1889 by Laird Brothers of Birkenhead. She was a screw steamer with 3 masts and 2 funnels. I have a photograph for her but try as I might I cannot find a ship's plan. I have tried Wirral archives (where all the Laird Brothers archives are stored) and the National Maritime Museum with no luck. It seems that the plans no longer exist. The next step is to find a similar ship's plan. I cannot post a photograph here but if anyone thinks they might be able to help me locate a similar plan then I can send the photograph on to them. I even have a picture of her saloon. Thank you in advance! Rhiannon

Thanks Richard. I belong to the Queensland Family History Society, and one of our projects is indexing shipping lists for Customs department from our National Archives. My specific task is proofreading what our volunteers have indexed. It is very definitely not an A. B. on that list, although my experience suggested to me that it probably meant that. If I index it as E. B.. then very likely people would think our work was sloppy and was a transcription error. In cases like that, I like to add comments to show alternatives or explanations. Thanks for the Ancestry reference. Thank you for the information about the word Kok. It may be that whoever filled out the Arrival List wrote an E in mistake for an A. They were all probably quite relieved to be at the end of this voyage which took 130 days from New York to Brisbane. There's an interesting newspaper article about that voyage https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper [1], and use the search terms Esperance 1893 and New York. Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: richard.natvig@ahkr.uib.no To:<mariners@rootsweb.com> Cc:"Bev Bonning" <kosan@optusnet.com.au> Sent:Wed, 08 Apr 2015 11:08:10 +0200 Subject:Re: [MAR] crew occupations Hi Bev, is it possible that E. B. is a transcription error? I found a Danish ship Esperance arriving from Brisbane at Sydney, 29 Jan. 1894. On board were the Master (and his wife), the 1st and the 2nd Mates, the Steward, four ABs (able seamen) and five OS (ordinary seamen). My source is Ancestry.com. New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 [database on-line] (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=nswunassisted&so=2&pcat=IMG_PASSLISTS&gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&gsln_x=XO&msady=1894&msapn__ftp=Brisbane%2c+Queensland%2c+Australia&msapn=93395&msapn_PInfo=8-|0|1652397|0|5027|0|30096|0|0|93395|0|&_F0005868=esperance&_F0005868_x=1&MSAV=1&uidh=iu2) Kok, by the way, is also Danish for cook or steward. In Dutch, able seaman is vol matroos, ordinary seaman is matroos. kind regards, Richard ------------------------- Email sent using Optus Webmail Links: ------ [1] https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper

Hoping one of the knowledgeable listers can help me. The barque Esperance sailed from New York to Brisbane 1893/4. I have a problem in the Crew List where 4 men are noted as E. B. I'm familiar with A. B. of course but this has stumped me. I suspect it may be Dutch. One other member of the crew is the Kok, and I've found that to be equivalent to the English word Cook. Bev in Australia

Hi Bev, is it possible that E. B. is a transcription error? I found a Danish ship Esperance arriving from Brisbane at Sydney, 29 Jan. 1894. On board were the Master (and his wife), the 1st and the 2nd Mates, the Steward, four ABs (able seamen) and five OS (ordinary seamen). My source is Ancestry.com. New South Wales, Australia, Unassisted Immigrant Passenger Lists, 1826-1922 [database on-line] (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=nswunassisted&so=2&pcat=IMG_PASSLISTS&gss=angs-c&new=1&rank=1&gsln_x=XO&msady=1894&msapn__ftp=Brisbane%2c+Queensland%2c+Australia&msapn=93395&msapn_PInfo=8-|0|1652397|0|5027|0|30096|0|0|93395|0|&_F0005868=esperance&_F0005868_x=1&MSAV=1&uidh=iu2) Kok, by the way, is also Danish for cook or steward. In Dutch, able seaman is vol matroos, ordinary seaman is matroos. kind regards, Richard

Thank you Andy, Graham and Kate. I did not know this website existed and am having a lovely trawl. Regards, Adi -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 4/6/15, kate smith via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [MAR] Athwart a tier To: "Graham Read" <grahamread43@gmail.com>, "Andy Adams" <andy@andyadams.org.uk>, "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Received: Monday, April 6, 2015, 9:55 AM Thank-you. I guess you're both talking about this photo? http://collections.museumoflondon.org.uk/Online/object.aspx?objectID=object-877788&start=1552&rows=1 ....

Wow! That was quick. Thank you David and thanks for the source., I file these . I'm still not good at using them but hopefully over time I will get the hang of it! On 6/04/2015 6:55 AM, "Jo Wynne" <ejowynne@gmail.com> wrote: > I have references about Captain William Hindmarsh sailing the ship > Fanny in 1850 ': > > Liverppool Mercury, Fri. 13th Dec. 1850, Wed. Dec. 11th .....Fanny, > Hindmarsh hence at San Francisco > > Liverpool Mercury Fri. 27th Dec. 1850 ' Melancholy Tidings From > California ' A report sent back by Capt. Hindmarsh to his wife about > the fate of two local Belford young men. > > Newcastle Journal, Sat, 18th Jan. 1851 , ' The Late Messrs William and > James Dinning ' this contains a more detailed account from Capt. > Hindmarsh of what had happened to the two young men. > > This is fairly certainly Capt. Hindmarsh's last sailing as in future > references he is postmaster at Belford. > > Would someone please direct me as to how to find detail of this ship > > Thank you > Jo >

I have references about Captain William Hindmarsh sailing the ship Fanny in 1850 ': Liverppool Mercury, Fri. 13th Dec. 1850, Wed. Dec. 11th .....Fanny, Hindmarsh hence at San Francisco Liverpool Mercury Fri. 27th Dec. 1850 ' Melancholy Tidings From California ' A report sent back by Capt. Hindmarsh to his wife about the fate of two local Belford young men. Newcastle Journal, Sat, 18th Jan. 1851 , ' The Late Messrs William and James Dinning ' this contains a more detailed account from Capt. Hindmarsh of what had happened to the two young men. This is fairly certainly Capt. Hindmarsh's last sailing as in future references he is postmaster at Belford. Would someone please direct me as to how to find detail of this ship Thank you Jo

Thank you Paul, For your reply to my query regarding the pilot boat Georges Leverdier, I still do not know what her final fate was but in all probability she was broken up in France sometime after 1945. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Benyon Sent: Friday, April 03, 2015 8:11 PM To: Joe McMillan ; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Georges Leverdier Joe I appreciate what it says at: http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/france/GEORGES_LEVERDIER_968.html but FWIW she was still included in the Navy List for July 1945 : https://archive.org/details/navylistjul1945v3grea but, with disposals, at a time when there would obviously be a lot of changes, I wouldn't be surprised if she should have been removed at an earlier date : see comments per Andy Adams circa early 2008: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2008-01/1200606888 many of these vessels "were released to take up their normal pilotage duties" from Nov 1944. That said, should the entry in the Navy List be correct, it occurs to me that some of the pilot boats may have been retained in the service until after the end of the War ? I imagine that it would have take some time before the R. Seine, where she I see she is supposed to have ended up after the end of the War, could have been declared safe ? Paul On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 17:37:19 +1030, Joe McMillan via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Can anyone tell me what became of the French pilot vessel GEORGES LEVERDIER >Built 1930 by Lobnitz & Co. Renfrew. >I know it was taken over by the Royal Navy as an examination vessel between >1940 and 1944 but what became of it afterwards. >Any information would be gratefully received. >Thank you in anticipation. >Joe McMillan, >South Australia. > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >http://www.avast.com > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com