Hi All, Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old family ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" 2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? Ex "Fadrenclandet" 2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior to hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. 14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth (1808/45) Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson (Butcher) N-Shields 16-7-1845 Collided Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I can find: 1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I tried other spelling of the Danish ship also 2. What happens to the O/N as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records afterwards? 3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a ship wreck incident? Regards, Albie

Hi Michael Not that I can help much.....so FWIW >campaign in Mesopotamia. Is there any list of these ships which can be accesed online ? I'm not aware of one, but if its not well indexed then it might be easy to miss, and I doubt it would be very long, and might be mixed up with other material on the War ? Whilst looking through the National Archives Index : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk for "hospital AND ships AND Bombay," I came across the following article which includes extracts from letters from an officers who served on the Western Front, followed by a period in Mesop., where he was wounded : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/rd/bb25552d-06ca-4cde-afea-ad0eeee3a4a4 Doesn't answer your question, but may be of interest ? The National Archives would appear to have something on the topic according to a search for "Mesopotamia AND hospital AND ships" : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/advanced-search Various searches of the NA archives suggest that the Ministry of Transport, Shipping Division, War Office, and Admiralty, were all involved when it came to Hospital Ships, as well as the Cabinet occasionally. The War Office had a surprisingly large number of vessels under their control......so since your question is regarding Army personnel and may be vessels that the War Office may have acquired vessels, whether by hire or purchase to remove casualties, but being as there were both British and Indian troops involved I think I can probably see why you are looking for shipping from India ? Some passing thoughts garnered following a bit of Googling prior to a week or so out of circulation .....so you may have already been there : If you can borrow it I gather that you might find the book "In the Company of Nurses: The History of the British Army Nursing Service in the Great War " useful, as it says on the blurb on Amazon containing "surprising, fascinating facts about the military nursing services and the complex management of casualty care," which I guess, would include the removal of patients from the scene of the conflict ? And, perhaps more usefully, it contains "an excellent index and bibliography to assist further research," Would suggest that you have a look at sites like the following : http://www.mespot.net/mespot/page15.htm which includes photos of some of the hospital ships and ancillary craft that were used in the movement of casualties. These might perhaps give you some clues as to the names you should be looking for, perhaps in searches of the newspapers, although the release of wartime news was often much restricted during the war, and I gather that the handling of casualties may have been much hindered by in-fighting amongst the officials involved in their management? I should think that reading of some of the histories written about this period, and since you appear to be interested in the Indian end of things, those, like the "Battles on the Tigris," which might include some helpful snippets, N.B. I've not read any of these books ! Plus, of course, personal stories, if you can find them, might include references to Hospital Ships etc. : I think the Imperial War Museum might be the place to start ? And then there are the various army unit diaries which might note the sort of info you are looking for, especially after heavy fighting ? I'm not familiar with English language newspapers for Bombay, but should there be some on-line wouldn't be surprised if the local editions were less heavily censored and might make reference to Hospital Ships leaving for Blighty ? Regards Paul On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 15:44:13 +0930, pyd_zac7 via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >I am trying to find out the names of hospital ships and possibly troops >ships bringing back soldiers and wounded soldiers from Bombay back to >England in 1917 >Many of the wounded would have been from the campaign in Mesopotamia >Is there any list of these ships which can be accesed online ? > >Thank you > >Michael McDonnell > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

With reference to various replies to Bud's enquiry, Miramar show her full history as: 9-1943 completed as EMILE BERLINER - 1947 FROSTVIK - 1950 ARNETA - 1963 SUSAN PAULIN - 1965 KYRA BU Bilbao 12.5.69 Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 02/05/2015 15:23, Bud Shortridge via wrote: > The SS Emile Berliner was a Liberty ship sold to Finland in 1960 and was renamed ARNETA, according to research records. A crew member wrote to me stating this name is incorrect, that the name was "ARNETA/OFKH" Can anyone tell me what does the /OFKH stand for? I do not believe it is part of the actual name......can anyone answer this for me? Bud & R.J.....We Wish You Well My "Web Sites of Interest""My Blog"Naval & Merchant Ship Articles of Interest "Ship Histories" Bud's Naval & Merchant Ship Histories > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not an Official Number, it is a radio call-sign. All Finnish c/s begin in the range OF-OJ. It is indeed not part of the ship's name. DAvid On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Peter Klein via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Bud, > See this link: .SS FROSTVIK | www.aanimeri.fi The ship appears to have > been called "Frostvik" in 1947 before being renamed Arneta in 1949. I am > assuming that OFKH is a Finnish shipping registration code for that > particular vessel, rather like the Bristish Official Number. Perhaps > someone can confirm? > Best regards, > PK > | | > | | | | | | > | SS FROSTVIK | www.aanimeri.fiSS FROSTVIK (OFKH, IMO 5413769) > Valmistunut/Completed 1943.9.6, USA, Richmond California, Kaiser Shipyards, > Permanente Metals Corporation. 10865 dwt, 2500 BHP, 133.63 m m x 17.39 m x > 8.45 m | > | | > | View on www.aanimeri.fi | Preview by Yahoo | > | | > | | > > > > > On Saturday, 2 May 2015, 15:26, Bud Shortridge via < > mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > The SS Emile Berliner was a Liberty ship sold to Finland in 1960 and was > renamed ARNETA, according to research records. A crew member wrote to me > stating this name is incorrect, that the name was "ARNETA/OFKH" Can anyone > tell me what does the /OFKH stand for? I do not believe it is part of the > actual name......can anyone answer this for me? Bud & R.J.....We Wish You > Well My "Web Sites of Interest""My Blog"Naval & Merchant Ship Articles of > Interest "Ship Histories" Bud's Naval & Merchant Ship Histories > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Bud, See this link:  .SS FROSTVIK | www.aanimeri.fi   The ship appears to have been called "Frostvik" in 1947 before being renamed Arneta in 1949.  I am assuming that OFKH is a Finnish shipping registration code for that particular vessel, rather like the Bristish Official Number.  Perhaps someone can confirm? Best regards, PK |   | |   |   |   |   |   | | SS FROSTVIK | www.aanimeri.fiSS FROSTVIK (OFKH, IMO 5413769) Valmistunut/Completed 1943.9.6, USA, Richmond California, Kaiser Shipyards, Permanente Metals Corporation. 10865 dwt, 2500 BHP, 133.63 m m x 17.39 m x 8.45 m | | | | View on www.aanimeri.fi | Preview by Yahoo | | | |   |   On Saturday, 2 May 2015, 15:26, Bud Shortridge via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: The SS Emile Berliner was a Liberty ship sold to Finland in 1960 and was renamed ARNETA, according to research records.  A crew member wrote to me stating this name is incorrect, that the name was "ARNETA/OFKH"  Can anyone tell me what does the /OFKH stand for?  I do not believe it is part of the actual name......can anyone answer this for me? Bud & R.J.....We Wish You Well My "Web Sites of Interest""My Blog"Naval & Merchant Ship Articles of Interest "Ship Histories" Bud's Naval & Merchant Ship Histories    ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The SS Emile Berliner was a Liberty ship sold to Finland in 1960 and was renamed ARNETA, according to research records.  A crew member wrote to me stating this name is incorrect, that the name was "ARNETA/OFKH"  Can anyone tell me what does the /OFKH stand for?  I do not believe it is part of the actual name......can anyone answer this for me? Bud & R.J.....We Wish You Well My "Web Sites of Interest""My Blog"Naval & Merchant Ship Articles of Interest "Ship Histories" Bud's Naval & Merchant Ship Histories   

I was surprised to see two messages on todays List which appear to be from me. Please do not open them. I did not send them. I presume that someone has got at my address book as I too have received a number of odd messages. My sincere apologies. Carl Smith

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Hi Wendy The Deaths at Sea record on findmypast gives some useful information. The Ethel was of Liverpool. ship's number 41,709, leaving in 1860 Frederick Grooel died on 21st April 1861 of dysentery. He was due £11/16/11 wages and sale of his possessions. It is likely that a crew agreement exists for this voyage and, if you are lucky , an official log book. The agreement would give his age and birthplace (but sometimes rather vaguely, like "Wales") You would need to go to the National Archives to find out. I could do this for you, but need a wet Saturday! Best wishes Clare (Oxford UK) >2 >Date:Thu, 30 Apr 2015 10:22:22 +0000 From: Wendy Hall-Robertson<intelligentwend@hotmail.com> >Subject: [MAR] Fredk Grooel Or Grogel - BirthYear -- Death Year 1861 -- Vessel Ethel -- BT 153 Archive Ref -To: Marinerinfo >request <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Message-ID:<DUB130-W578D1AEE471AFE4291AE4AB0D60@phx.gbl>Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"Hi everyoneDoes anyone have any information relating toDeaths at Sea for this man and this vessel please:Fredk Grooel Or Grogel -Birth Year -- Death Year 1861 -- Vessel Ethel -- BT 153 Archive Ref - KindregardsWendy ------------------------------

Hello not quite subscription question but I've posted a request a couple of times & can't see it. I added a picture to it, would this stop it from being posted? Jackie > On 30 Apr 2015, at 15:55, Ron Mapplebeck via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > See full details at: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/MARINERS.html > > Ron Mapplebeck > Administrator - Mariners' List > ***** >> On 30/04/2015 11:43, Dr. Paul Lee via wrote: >> Hi, >> I've been asked how a newcomer can subscribe to this mailing list but I've >> forgotten the instructions; could some kind soul provide them please? >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

See full details at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/MARINERS.html Ron Mapplebeck Administrator - Mariners' List ***** On 30/04/2015 11:43, Dr. Paul Lee via wrote: > Hi, > I've been asked how a newcomer can subscribe to this mailing list but I've > forgotten the instructions; could some kind soul provide them please? > > Best wishes > > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

AT the bottom of each message are the instructions to "unsubscribe". Simply substitute "subscribe" in the subject and message body (without the "") Ruth > Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:43:53 +0100 > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com; Mariners-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Subscription > From: mariners@rootsweb.com > > Hi, > I've been asked how a newcomer can subscribe to this mailing list but I've > forgotten the instructions; could some kind soul provide them please? > > Best wishes > > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I've been asked how a newcomer can subscribe to this mailing list but I've forgotten the instructions; could some kind soul provide them please? Best wishes Paul

Hi everyoneDoes anyone have any information relating to Deaths at Sea for this man and this vessel please: Fredk Grooel Or Grogel - Birth Year -- Death Year 1861 -- Vessel Ethel -- BT 153 Archive Ref - Kind regardsWendy

Whoops! Brain fade strikes again - HMS Fortunee (36) was a 5th. rate, not 3rd. as I erroneously stated in the below exchange. Regards, Nigel -----Original Message----- From: Nigel Hughes Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:52 AM To: Gordon Troup ; mariners@rootsweb.com ; Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] BRITISH EXCISE YACHTS 1745, 1765 & 1800 Hi Gordon, I can't confirm that it is the same Royal Charlotte but in 1802 a vessel of that name was serving as the Royal Yacht of King George 111 and between about June and September of that year was acting as the floating holiday home to the King in Weymouth Bay, protected by a squadron of Royal Navy guard ships including the 3rd. rate HMS Fortunee which fired a 21-gun salute each time the King boarded or disembarked, sometimes twice daily. The source for this is Master's Log HMS Fortunee ADM 52/3030. Regards, Nigel -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Troup Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:56 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] BRITISH EXCISE YACHTS 1745, 1765 & 1800 Hello Everyone Can anyone advise me where I might find records of the following vessels? HMS Hazard 1745 HMS Royal Charlotte 1765 & 1800 These vessels, I believe, operated under the Excise department and were likely stationed at Leith. Any advise or directions would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Gordon

Adi, many thanks for all the information provided and for your advice as to where to look, it's very useful information which I'd never have found otherwise.. First of all I must 'fess up' that James Woodcock is actually the ancestor of a friend who I'm helping with her research, I think she is probably the person whose post from ten years ago you spotted. After having a great deal of help from people on this mailing list I've conducted a lot of research on my own ancestor who was a Mariner (although not a captain), so I'd volunteered to try and help my friend. She once joined this list but was struggling with it so I hope no-one minds me posting queries on her behalf.  James Woodcock lived in Stockton but my friend had never been able to find his place of birth, which prevented much of her further research. We actually visited TNA just after Easter, both of us looking for further information about our Mariner ancestors. My friend started to look at crew lists for ships registered in Stockton but soon realised that it would be like looking for a needle in a haystack. I suggested looking at Muster Rolls as I'd previously used them for my own ancestor. The records I'd used were bound into a book and my friend's face fell when she opened a large box full of wads of papers. However, that soon turned to joy when she actually found an entry for James Woodcock which showed his birthplace as Pickhill (North Yorkshire, near Thirsk). Unfortunately, despite this she has been unable to find any baptism records there for any Woodcocks. We hoped that any extension to the information she already has about him might prove valuable or at least give a bigger picture of his seafaring career.   Thank you again for your help, no doubt she'll be able to find more information by searching the newspapers in the way you have suggested. She has a subscription to FMP so will be able to use that. Kind regardsRuth From: Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca> To: Mariners Mailing list <mariners@rootsweb.com>; Ruth Raw <ruth.raw@btopenworld.com> Sent: Tuesday, 28 April 2015, 2:13 Subject: Re: [MAR] Ships 1827 to 1841 Hello Ruth, 1) Newspapers, Ruth, that's your ticket. I had a wee look for you and can confirm that both PRIMROSE and BEAMISH were coasters (not foreign-going vessels, so not likely to be listed in volumes of Lloyd's Register of Shipping) and their Port of Registry was Stockton. More on newspapers further down and I will email you direct with a few examples. However, have a look in Lloyd's Registers anyway. There are many volumes free online. http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html 2) Your man does appear to possibly have made two Baltic voyages in 1840. At least, in the Sound Toll Registers,  the master was a "J. Woodcock of Stockton". Those registers do not give ship names.To determine vessel name, you need to line up mention of a vessel with that master in the "Sound List" printed in the newspapers with the dates given in the registers. (yes, smile, newspapers again.) But ... if you click on the orange circle to the left of his name in the link below, that will lead you to the actual images showing that he brought coal from Stockton and his homebound cargo was timber. http://dietrich.soundtoll.nl/public/names.php?lname=Woodcock 3) If you can get to TNA, BT 98 files (description below) would be of interest. The pertinent ones for Stockton are BT 98/474 to BT 98/480 inclusive. Reference: BT 98  Title: Registry of Shipping and Seamen: Agreements and Crew Lists, Series I Description: This series contains surviving muster rolls from 1747, agreements, 1835-1860, and official log books kept by the General Register and Record Office of Seamen. A few of the official log books survive from about 1852, but it was not until 1854 that masters were required to deposit them at the end of the voyage. The log books that have been preserved are chiefly those containing entries of a birth or death at sea, or log books of smaller vessels which were printed on the same form as the crew list and agreement. Also from 1850 a form M was introduced for mutual release of seamen at the end of a voyage; a few of these survive. The rolls include names and addresses of seamen, dates of engagement and discharge and the name of their previous ship. Date: 1747-1860  Arrangement: The muster rolls are filed alphabetically by port under name of ship in one run for the years 1835-1844. With the introduction in 1845 of a system of register tickets for merchant seamen a record of the ticket numbers was attached to the crew list: from here on the documents are kept in separate yearly runs. With the introduction in 1855 of a central registry all ships were given an official number as soon as practicable. From 1857 the agreements are filed under official numbers rather than alphabetically. Five major schedules are to be found amongst the agreements and crew lists from 1835, namely: Schedule: A, Type: Agreement (Foreign Trade), Filing requirements: Within 24 hours of return to a UK port; Schedule: B, Type: Agreement (Home Trade), Filing requirements: Within 30 days after the end of each half year (30 June and 31 December); Schedule: C, Type: List of Crew (Foreign Trade), Filing requirements: Within 24/48 hrs of return to a UK port; Schedule: D, Type: Account of Voyages and Crew (Home Trade), Filing requirements: Within 21 days after the end of each half-year; Schedule: G, Type: Names & Register Tickets of Crew (Foreign Trade), Filing requirements: On sailing from the UK; 4) For searching newspapers, the usual format in the shipping news columns is "Vessel Name COMMA Master's Surname" and yes, do use those quotation marks. Another useful search term is "Vessel name OF Port Name" and again use the quotation marks. It is free to search the British Newspaper Archive and get the thumbnails, from which you can glean a lot.  It's only to read the actual articles that you need a subscription. And ... if you have FindMyPast, those newspapers are included there. http://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/ One of the bits that I will email you directly tells you (in the very first hit!) that the vessel he sailed to the Baltic in April 1840 was STOCKTON. How's that for results (smile)? 5) Are you aware that someone else is searching for the same person? Admittedly, this message board post is from 10 years ago, but is still worth following up on. http://boards.ancestry.ca/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=4842&p=localities.britisles.england.dur.general Regards, Adi ****************************************************** Jet the unstoppable, paraplegic black Lab is doing the Lions Foundation/Purina "Walk for Guide Dogs' again this May 30th and is looking for sponsors. https://www.purinawalkfordogguides.com/locations/team.cfm?ID=164

Hi Gordon Firstly I'm no expert on what you are looking for, but will attempt to communicate what I've discovered along the way, whilst researching RN vessels i.e. there appears to be mention below of one of those you're looking for. If you are looking for information on Excise / Revenue / Preventive Service vessels then you should probably be looking for cutters, which were usually the preferred vessels, but they can vary quite considerably in size, form about 30-40 tons up to about 250+ tons bm (builders measurement ie the way that ships were measured in those days, compared with the later displacement etc.) Since you mention Leith, I should perhaps advise that in those days the Scottish Revenue services etc., were entirely separate from the English, Welsh and Irish Revenue vessels, probably because of Scotland's often separate legislation, and one occasionally discovers that Scotland and England both have vessels with the same names. >From research of Scottish Revenue vessels I did recently, I think I came to the conclusion that you best avenue of research is the National Archives of Scotland : http://www.nas.gov.uk and I seem to remember that we discovered that "revenue cutters" gave us a starting point when it came to making a search of their material. You may need to change the criteria, I've not looked to see what happened if I put the vessel's names in the search box. I wouldn't include "HMS" since it isn't really relevant ; try using the name + the relevant "customs" or "revenue" department. Regarding finding out about these vessels regret that since they aren't RN vessels I'm not really au fait with them, but am aware that some of these vessels were listed in WWM/P/7/26 - Steel's original and correct list of the Royal Navy, hired armed vessels, gun-boats etc., packets, excise and revenue cutters etc., with their commanders and stations...., this copy for 1801 being available at the Sheffield City Archives. I've got some Excise/Revenue etc vessels listed in my database of RN vessels from about 1793-1920, and have included Revenue vessels etc. when I've come across them, but since I don't know when they entered service or were broken up, I know that some references refer to more than one vessel : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/Index.html occasionally some of these vessels were attached to the RN during the Napoleonic wars, such as during the incursion into Holland circa 1809, and also had fights with French privateers and in some cases managed to detain them, or were captured themselves. I have a mention of one Scottish Royal Charlotte: http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/R/04011.html Royal Charlotte, <-1799-> Type: Excise Cutter, Scotland ; Armament 18 Notes: 1 Jan 1799 skipper = Charles Elder, 227 tons ; 60 men ; station : St Abb's Head to Caithness. Some of these vessels would appear to have remained in service for many years, whilst regular usage meant that some required earlier replacement. So that you can perhaps separate RN vessels from the Revenue vessels etc. there was an RN sloop named the HAZARD from 1749-1783, of 149 tons bm. There was a Royal Charlotte, 14 guns, transport, late French Privateer, captured 1780 and sold 1783. Under the heading of Royal or Dockyard Yachts the Royal Charlotte, 10 guns, late Royal Caroline, was renamed 1761, 232 tons bm, which was broken up 1820. I understand that Queen Charlotte was considered to be a favourite in the country and that one often finds references to her. Her husband, King George, came down to Weymouth to stay on a regular basis, and set in motion the craze for spending time at the sea side and I gather that he lived in a large house on the sea front that was eventually to become the Gloucester Hotel, but has now been converted into flats. There was a fairly large garrison of German troops maintained ashore when he was here. And as previously mentioned, when he was in town, the RN maintain a presence here and provided water transport, if needed. Whilst in Weymouth, he often used to come across here, to the Island of Portland, to spend time with the locals and eat and drink in some of the local pubs..... but since Portland is a Royal Manor, he owned the Island anyway, and used to take a cut of the money made by selling Portland Stone ;-) It isn't an Island, but that was all George saw and so he determined that it must be an Island. Apologies for all the waffle..... Hope this helps a little, Regards Paul On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 01:56:21 -0600, Gordon Troup via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hello Everyone >Can anyone advise me where I might find records of the following vessels? >HMS Hazard 1745 >HMS Royal Charlotte 1765 & 1800 >These vessels, I believe, operated under the Excise department and were likely stationed at Leith. >Any advise or directions would be greatly appreciated. >Kind regards >Gordon > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi All, Can anyone help me with some biographical information on captain Sadler master of "Fanny" one of the 1820 settler ships that came to South Africa? His son Thomas Farrar Sadler came with him and stayed in South Africa. Kind regards, Albie Gibson, South Africa

Hi Gordon, I can't confirm that it is the same Royal Charlotte but in 1802 a vessel of that name was serving as the Royal Yacht of King George 111 and between about June and September of that year was acting as the floating holiday home to the King in Weymouth Bay, protected by a squadron of Royal Navy guard ships including the 3rd. rate HMS Fortunee which fired a 21-gun salute each time the King boarded or disembarked, sometimes twice daily. The source for this is Master's Log HMS Fortunee ADM 52/3030. Regards, Nigel -----Original Message----- From: Gordon Troup Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2015 8:56 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] BRITISH EXCISE YACHTS 1745, 1765 & 1800 Hello Everyone Can anyone advise me where I might find records of the following vessels? HMS Hazard 1745 HMS Royal Charlotte 1765 & 1800 These vessels, I believe, operated under the Excise department and were likely stationed at Leith. Any advise or directions would be greatly appreciated. Kind regards Gordon