Hi I've got the Lubbock book, which is about the Cutty Sark, not about Woodget, but having followed up all the index references managed to find this: "Captain Woodget's sea training had been the usual hard one of sailing ship days. He was the younger son of Richard Woodget, a farmer of Burnham Norton in Norfolk, and was born on 21st November 1845. When 10 years of age he was sent to school at Burnham Market, where his resolute, high-spirited character soon showed itself..... He was then sent to a private school at Deepdale for a while before a second term of Burnham Market.... when he was 16 years of age his indentures were signed with Bullard, King & Co. On the 30th September 1861 he joined the billiboy JOHNS, of 80 tons, which traded between Seaham Sluice near Blythe and London, her cargo being usually bottles. His next ship was the schooner PEACE in the same trade. In these ships he distinguished himself by his indomitable attitude towards the incredibly hard hearted and iron fisted skippers and mates of those days...... the brig BRITISH ENSIGN which he joined in the summer of 1863, and finished his time on. Space will not admit of a fuller description of his early life, but a summary of his service will be found on page 276" Lubbock was a bit of a romanticist but was writing while Woodget was still alive and he may have consulted him as there is plenty of detail in the book which appear to come either from Woodget's writing or something Woodget said. Cheers Piers On 15 May 2015 at 11:04, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Clare , thanks so much for this > .........yes this is what makes him so splendid , who would have thought > that a son of an ag lab could have ended up with a good long obit in the > Times and leave £6,818 in his will ???!!!! he must have been very > remarkable . Burnham Norton and Overy Staithe are both very shipping and > probably like a lot of coastal villages , there was ag lab work and fishing > . I have found the space where his house in Downham Market was > .......sadly .......as I feel we can lay a little claim to him because of > his time here . But have nothing to put a plaque on !!! And yes I thought > William and Susanna for his grandparents , but they too were ag labs , and > give no clue as to his extraordinary elevation in the world . Jock Willis , > the shipbuilder and owner must have spotted him somehow to advance his > career. We shall probably never know though Basil Lubbock wrote a book > around the Log of the Cutty Sark during Capt Woodget`s time as master , but > its very expensive even on Amazon . Celia his mother I agree is odd being > so much younger and may well not be his father`s first wife . Thank you > again for this confirmation , multiple brains are better than one !!! The > Times and other papers said he was 16 when apprenticed to Jock Willis , Old > White Hat , as he was called so around 1861 perhaps after the census was > taken . Thanks again for your time and interest . > > -----Original Message----- > From: rosalindthefair via > Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:43 AM > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MAR] WOODGET, Capt Richard > > > > > > Hi > > I don't think there is any doubt that Captain Woodget's parents were > Richard > Bircham Woodget (or Woodgate) and Celia Gage (also Cecelia other varieties, > don't worry about it). Richard Bircham Woodgate was an agricultural > labourer > in Burnham Norton, Norfolk, born 10th December 1797 and was buried 5th > February 1868 (www.familysearch.org). I thought Celia may not be Capt > Woodget's mother as she was 12 years younger than her husband, but they > married in 1831 so she must be. > Captain Richard is in the 1861 census aged 15 living with his brother > Charles, both then ag labs. I can't find (from the Master's and Mates > certificates) when he began his apprenticeship. The first ship I can find > he > served on was the Isabella ON 46824, beginning March 1869 as Mate. How > wonderful to rise from such beginnings to be the Captain of the Cutty Sark! > There is a nice photo of him on Ancestry but maybe it was also in the > obituary? > Richard Bircham's parents were William and Susanna, as you say. One person > on Ancestry gives their dates and birthplaces in Kent but with no > supporting > evidence. > Best wishes > Clare, Oxford UK > > >From: Graham Read<grahamread43@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [MAR] WOODGET , > Capt > >Richard.To: elizgh<elizgh@btinternet.com>,mariners@rootsweb.comMessage-ID > : > ><CABRjMdqoR12=Hk4z9euKcxMfKMUWGmJnKNpeFG0xR+7Eo46Xnw@mail.gmail.com > >Content-Type:text/plain; > >charset=UTF-8In the IBO class, butJobs run in families, sohave you tried > >the Carne Library for other membersof the Woodget tribe whoapplied for > >Masters or Mate's tickets ? It is anunusual name, so any 'hits'are likely > >to be relatives.GrahamOn Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:48 PM, elizghvia > ><mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote:> Hi, I > >amtrying to find more about the> family of the celebrated master of the > >clipperCutty Sark from 1885-1895 .> He was born in Burnham Norton in 1845 > >and died in1928 . I think I have> his parents an earlier Richard and > >possibly hisgrandparents William and> Susanna . The Times has a very > >good and detailedobituary and marks as> no other publication his two > >marriages and his 3 sons. Does anyo! > ne know of> any research done on his antecedents ?>> ---> Thisemail has > been > checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.>http://www.avast.com>> > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Clare , thanks so much for this .........yes this is what makes him so splendid , who would have thought that a son of an ag lab could have ended up with a good long obit in the Times and leave £6,818 in his will ???!!!! he must have been very remarkable . Burnham Norton and Overy Staithe are both very shipping and probably like a lot of coastal villages , there was ag lab work and fishing . I have found the space where his house in Downham Market was .......sadly .......as I feel we can lay a little claim to him because of his time here . But have nothing to put a plaque on !!! And yes I thought William and Susanna for his grandparents , but they too were ag labs , and give no clue as to his extraordinary elevation in the world . Jock Willis , the shipbuilder and owner must have spotted him somehow to advance his career. We shall probably never know though Basil Lubbock wrote a book around the Log of the Cutty Sark during Capt Woodget`s time as master , but its very expensive even on Amazon . Celia his mother I agree is odd being so much younger and may well not be his father`s first wife . Thank you again for this confirmation , multiple brains are better than one !!! The Times and other papers said he was 16 when apprenticed to Jock Willis , Old White Hat , as he was called so around 1861 perhaps after the census was taken . Thanks again for your time and interest . -----Original Message----- From: rosalindthefair via Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:43 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] WOODGET, Capt Richard Hi I don't think there is any doubt that Captain Woodget's parents were Richard Bircham Woodget (or Woodgate) and Celia Gage (also Cecelia other varieties, don't worry about it). Richard Bircham Woodgate was an agricultural labourer in Burnham Norton, Norfolk, born 10th December 1797 and was buried 5th February 1868 (www.familysearch.org). I thought Celia may not be Capt Woodget's mother as she was 12 years younger than her husband, but they married in 1831 so she must be. Captain Richard is in the 1861 census aged 15 living with his brother Charles, both then ag labs. I can't find (from the Master's and Mates certificates) when he began his apprenticeship. The first ship I can find he served on was the Isabella ON 46824, beginning March 1869 as Mate. How wonderful to rise from such beginnings to be the Captain of the Cutty Sark! There is a nice photo of him on Ancestry but maybe it was also in the obituary? Richard Bircham's parents were William and Susanna, as you say. One person on Ancestry gives their dates and birthplaces in Kent but with no supporting evidence. Best wishes Clare, Oxford UK >From: Graham Read<grahamread43@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [MAR] WOODGET , Capt >Richard.To: elizgh<elizgh@btinternet.com>,mariners@rootsweb.comMessage-ID: ><CABRjMdqoR12=Hk4z9euKcxMfKMUWGmJnKNpeFG0xR+7Eo46Xnw@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:text/plain; >charset=UTF-8In the IBO class, butJobs run in families, sohave you tried >the Carne Library for other membersof the Woodget tribe whoapplied for >Masters or Mate's tickets ? It is anunusual name, so any 'hits'are likely >to be relatives.GrahamOn Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:48 PM, elizghvia ><mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote:> Hi, I >amtrying to find more about the> family of the celebrated master of the >clipperCutty Sark from 1885-1895 .> He was born in Burnham Norton in 1845 >and died in1928 . I think I have> his parents an earlier Richard and >possibly hisgrandparents William and> Susanna . The Times has a very >good and detailedobituary and marks as> no other publication his two >marriages and his 3 sons. Does anyo! ne know of> any research done on his antecedents ?>> ---> Thisemail has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.>http://www.avast.com>> ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi I don't think there is any doubt that Captain Woodget's parents were Richard Bircham Woodget (or Woodgate) and Celia Gage (also Cecelia other varieties, don't worry about it). Richard Bircham Woodgate was an agricultural labourer in Burnham Norton, Norfolk, born 10th December 1797 and was buried 5th February 1868 (www.familysearch.org). I thought Celia may not be Capt Woodget's mother as she was 12 years younger than her husband, but they married in 1831 so she must be. Captain Richard is in the 1861 census aged 15 living with his brother Charles, both then ag labs. I can't find (from the Master's and Mates certificates) when he began his apprenticeship. The first ship I can find he served on was the Isabella ON 46824, beginning March 1869 as Mate. How wonderful to rise from such beginnings to be the Captain of the Cutty Sark! There is a nice photo of him on Ancestry but maybe it was also in the obituary? Richard Bircham's parents were William and Susanna, as you say. One person on Ancestry gives their dates and birthplaces in Kent but with no supporting evidence. Best wishes Clare, Oxford UK >From: Graham Read<grahamread43@gmail.com>Subject: Re: [MAR] WOODGET , Capt Richard.To: elizgh<elizgh@btinternet.com>,mariners@rootsweb.comMessage-ID: <CABRjMdqoR12=Hk4z9euKcxMfKMUWGmJnKNpeFG0xR+7Eo46Xnw@mail.gmail.com>Content-Type:text/plain; charset=UTF-8In the IBO class, butJobs run in families, sohave you tried the Carne Library for other membersof the Woodget tribe whoapplied for Masters or Mate's tickets ? It is anunusual name, so any 'hits'are likely to be relatives.GrahamOn Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:48 PM, elizghvia <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote:> Hi, I amtrying to find more about the> family of the celebrated master of the clipperCutty Sark from 1885-1895 .> He was born in Burnham Norton in 1845 and died in1928 . I think I have> his parents an earlier Richard and possibly hisgrandparents William and> Susanna . The Times has a very good and detailedobituary and marks as> no other publication his two marriages and his 3 sons. Does anyone know of> any research done on his antecedents ?>> ---> Thisemail has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.>http://www.avast.com>>

In the IBO class, but Jobs run in families, so have you tried the Carne Library for other members of the Woodget tribe who applied for Masters or Mate's tickets ? It is an unusual name, so any 'hits' are likely to be relatives. Graham On Sat, May 9, 2015 at 4:48 PM, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, I am trying to find more about the > family of the celebrated master of the clipper Cutty Sark from 1885-1895 . > He was born in Burnham Norton in 1845 and died in 1928 . I think I have > his parents an earlier Richard and possibly his grandparents William and > Susanna . The Times has a very good and detailed obituary and marks as > no other publication his two marriages and his 3 sons. Does anyone know of > any research done on his antecedents ? > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hi, I am trying to find more about the family of the celebrated master of the clipper Cutty Sark from 1885-1895 . He was born in Burnham Norton in 1845 and died in 1928 . I think I have his parents an earlier Richard and possibly his grandparents William and Susanna . The Times has a very good and detailed obituary and marks as no other publication his two marriages and his 3 sons. Does anyone know of any research done on his antecedents ? --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

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Thanks Paul for all this interesting information and I will scout again for the two ships in the early 1800's Albie -----Original Message----- From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2015 3:28 PM To: Albie Cc: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Private Ship- of- war taken another as prize 1807 Hi Albie, Don't know about Loyds registers, but would have thought it highly likely, perhaps someone else can help, but do note that the Lion is mentioned quite a bit on Loyds Lists at : http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-list.html which are perhaps the origin of the newspaper articles we discussed briefly ? With some exceptions, such as former French naval or RN vessels, I think that most dedicated Privateers were generally little more than commercial vessels, but with a heavier armament, larger crew, in addition to ship handling, manning the guns, some would be needed to take the prizes back to the home port, and the vessel would probably have had appropriate scantling (ie the width and thickness of a timbers) increased to cope with the stresses and strains caused by her own guns, plus against incoming shot, and somewhere to keep detained crews? Apart from that privateers were often little more than merchant vessels with a Letter of Marque, otherwise their activities could be condemned for piracy. Paul On Mon, 4 May 2015 15:50:18 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Thank you very much for your kind reply. >I could not get any positive results either but also had a look in the >British Newspaper Archives and after abandoning the search for the >Fadrenclandet I tried the Lion and I cannot believe that this ship was >such an operator and how did they remain victorious for such a long >time! Excuse my ignorance but would such privateers be registered so >that one can get a little more information from the Loyds registers? > >Regards, >Albie > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] >Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 1:39 AM >To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MAR] Private Ship- of- war taken another as prize 1807 > > >Hi Albie, > >Not sure if you are interested in exploring the capture of the >Fadrenclandet, but can confirm that the privateer Lion appears to have >been a busy "bee," bringing quite a few vessels heading to and >departing from north European ports, back to her home port of Plymouth, >according to the Ship News in The Times newspaper. Had a quick look >through 1806-7 for items which had been satisfactorily indexed, but >couldn't find her bringing in the Fadrenclandet, nor any mention in the >on-line London Gazette, where details of prize money etc. are detailed, >but the quality of print in those days, at times, hardly lends itself >to being OCR'd for indexing purposes, or for reading by the mark I >eyeball, for that matter ;-), and a name like the Fadrenclandet must >lend itself to various phonetic spellings, although, by the look of it your spelling is correct per Danish literature. > >But if you have access to The Times and time to spare you might find it >a useful exercise, although you may need to be inventive to find a >mention in the London Gazette : > >https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices > >Regards > >Paul > > > >On Sun, 3 May 2015 10:02:10 +0200, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> >wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old >>family ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" >> >>2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? >>Ex "Fadrenclandet" >>2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior >>to hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. >>14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth >>(1808/45) Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson >(Butcher) N-Shields >> 16-7-1845 Collided >> >> >>Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I >>can >>find: >>1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I >>tried other spelling of the Danish ship also 2. What happens to the >>O/N as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records afterwards? >>3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a >>ship wreck incident? >> >>Regards, >>Albie >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello from Australia My ancestor George Castle born Kent 1821, died NSW 1882 was a seaman on the following voyages. If anyone has information of these voyages, the masters, cargo or the boats etc could they contact me privately. I have crew lists for the voyages marked * which I am able to share. DATES SHIP MASTER DESTINATION NOT KNOWN Planter 20/10/1843 11/09/1844 Bristol * Joseph Cowart Gibraltar, Cape Coast, Sierra Leone 28/10/1844 Jane * George Blenkinsop Nevis, St Kitts; Gibraltar and Cadiz 26/05/1845 11/10/1845 Regina * John Forman Trinidad, Dominica 24/10/1845 08/05/1846 unknown 21/10/1846 17/02/1847 Jane 27/02/1847 11/05/1847 Higginson William Hogg Barbados 25/05/1847 11/10/1847 Calypso * John Eltringham Jamaica 08/11/1847 05/06/1848 Calypso * John Eltringham Jamaica 24/06/1848 27/11/1848 Calypso * John Eltringham Jamaica 13/12/1848 09/04/1849 Mary Shepherd * John A McDonald Cape Town, Port Phillip Many thanks John Webster Perth Australia

Hi Albie, Don't know about Loyds registers, but would have thought it highly likely, perhaps someone else can help, but do note that the Lion is mentioned quite a bit on Loyds Lists at : http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-list.html which are perhaps the origin of the newspaper articles we discussed briefly ? With some exceptions, such as former French naval or RN vessels, I think that most dedicated Privateers were generally little more than commercial vessels, but with a heavier armament, larger crew, in addition to ship handling, manning the guns, some would be needed to take the prizes back to the home port, and the vessel would probably have had appropriate scantling (ie the width and thickness of a timbers) increased to cope with the stresses and strains caused by her own guns, plus against incoming shot, and somewhere to keep detained crews? Apart from that privateers were often little more than merchant vessels with a Letter of Marque, otherwise their activities could be condemned for piracy. Paul On Mon, 4 May 2015 15:50:18 +0200, you wrote: >Hi Paul, > >Thank you very much for your kind reply. >I could not get any positive results either but also had a look in the >British Newspaper Archives and after abandoning the search for the >Fadrenclandet I tried the Lion and I cannot believe that this ship was such >an operator and how did they remain victorious for such a long time! Excuse >my ignorance but would such privateers be registered so that one can get a >little more information from the Loyds registers? > >Regards, >Albie > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] >Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 1:39 AM >To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MAR] Private Ship- of- war taken another as prize 1807 > > >Hi Albie, > >Not sure if you are interested in exploring the capture of the >Fadrenclandet, but can confirm that the privateer Lion appears to have been >a busy "bee," bringing quite a few vessels heading to and departing from >north European ports, back to her home port of Plymouth, according to the >Ship News in The Times newspaper. Had a quick look through 1806-7 for items >which had been satisfactorily indexed, but couldn't find her bringing in the >Fadrenclandet, nor any mention in the on-line London Gazette, where details >of prize money etc. are detailed, but the quality of print in those days, at >times, hardly lends itself to being OCR'd for indexing purposes, or for >reading by the mark I eyeball, for that matter ;-), and a name like the >Fadrenclandet must lend itself to various phonetic spellings, although, by >the look of it your spelling is correct per Danish literature. > >But if you have access to The Times and time to spare you might find it a >useful exercise, although you may need to be inventive to find a mention in >the London Gazette : > >https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices > >Regards > >Paul > > > >On Sun, 3 May 2015 10:02:10 +0200, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> >wrote: > >>Hi All, >> >>Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old family >>ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" >> >>2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? >>Ex "Fadrenclandet" >>2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior >>to hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. >>14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth >>(1808/45) Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson >(Butcher) N-Shields >> 16-7-1845 Collided >> >> >>Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I can >>find: >>1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I >>tried other spelling of the Danish ship also 2. What happens to the O/N >>as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records afterwards? >>3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a >>ship wreck incident? >> >>Regards, >>Albie >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>quotes in the subject and the body of the message >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Paul, Thank you very much for your kind reply. I could not get any positive results either but also had a look in the British Newspaper Archives and after abandoning the search for the Fadrenclandet I tried the Lion and I cannot believe that this ship was such an operator and how did they remain victorious for such a long time! Excuse my ignorance but would such privateers be registered so that one can get a little more information from the Loyds registers? Regards, Albie -----Original Message----- From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] Sent: Monday, May 04, 2015 1:39 AM To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Private Ship- of- war taken another as prize 1807 Hi Albie, Not sure if you are interested in exploring the capture of the Fadrenclandet, but can confirm that the privateer Lion appears to have been a busy "bee," bringing quite a few vessels heading to and departing from north European ports, back to her home port of Plymouth, according to the Ship News in The Times newspaper. Had a quick look through 1806-7 for items which had been satisfactorily indexed, but couldn't find her bringing in the Fadrenclandet, nor any mention in the on-line London Gazette, where details of prize money etc. are detailed, but the quality of print in those days, at times, hardly lends itself to being OCR'd for indexing purposes, or for reading by the mark I eyeball, for that matter ;-), and a name like the Fadrenclandet must lend itself to various phonetic spellings, although, by the look of it your spelling is correct per Danish literature. But if you have access to The Times and time to spare you might find it a useful exercise, although you may need to be inventive to find a mention in the London Gazette : https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices Regards Paul On Sun, 3 May 2015 10:02:10 +0200, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hi All, > >Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old family >ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" > >2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? >Ex "Fadrenclandet" >2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior >to hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. >14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth >(1808/45) Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson (Butcher) N-Shields > 16-7-1845 Collided > > >Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I can >find: >1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I >tried other spelling of the Danish ship also 2. What happens to the O/N >as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records afterwards? >3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a >ship wreck incident? > >Regards, >Albie > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Albie, Not sure if you are interested in exploring the capture of the Fadrenclandet, but can confirm that the privateer Lion appears to have been a busy "bee," bringing quite a few vessels heading to and departing from north European ports, back to her home port of Plymouth, according to the Ship News in The Times newspaper. Had a quick look through 1806-7 for items which had been satisfactorily indexed, but couldn't find her bringing in the Fadrenclandet, nor any mention in the on-line London Gazette, where details of prize money etc. are detailed, but the quality of print in those days, at times, hardly lends itself to being OCR'd for indexing purposes, or for reading by the mark I eyeball, for that matter ;-), and a name like the Fadrenclandet must lend itself to various phonetic spellings, although, by the look of it your spelling is correct per Danish literature. But if you have access to The Times and time to spare you might find it a useful exercise, although you may need to be inventive to find a mention in the London Gazette : https://www.thegazette.co.uk/all-notices Regards Paul On Sun, 3 May 2015 10:02:10 +0200, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hi All, > >Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old family >ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" > >2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? >Ex "Fadrenclandet" >2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior to >hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. >14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth (1808/45) >Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson (Butcher) N-Shields > 16-7-1845 Collided > > >Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I can >find: >1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I tried >other spelling of the Danish ship also >2. What happens to the O/N as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records >afterwards? >3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a ship >wreck incident? > >Regards, >Albie > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello all,Could you please help me? I am tracing the History of Edward Byrne ticket 259/897 ( i've posted before) I have his testimonials & statement of service and thought the last entry was Mason but when i was checking the Lloyd's shipping registers for these dates i could find no mention of it. On clip however i can see a Mason ON 27162 from Goole. Would there be an explanation why it's not showing on Llyods? He never seems to stay on a ship for very long, is that normal? He was Captain of the Lightning on her trip to India in 1857 transporting troops for the mutinies again short term.When a person decided to leave the Merchant Navy was there a process that they had to go through, maybe a paperwork trail? Apprentice Barque Isabella PrestonChief Mate IsabellaMate Kingston 27/6/1846 - 22/2/1847 liverpool left sick at MadridMate Charles Jones 23/8/1847 - 22/11/1847 liverpoolMate "House" of Quebec 13/8/1848 - 12/10/1848 2nd Mate Inglewood 27/12/1848 - 31/5/1849 liverpool - Discharged at Calcutta sick2nd Mate Dispatch LondonChief Mate John Gibson 26/3/1850 - 20/7/1850 HullMate Protector 23/8/1856 - 10/1/1857 BristolMaster Foam of the cape of good hopeMaster Lightning clipper 1857Master Freeman May 1852-April 1853 LiverpoolMaster Mason April 1853 June 1857 Liverpool There are other ships that he appears to have been on Elfin, Zingari I have pictures if anyone would like to see, it does seem odd that some of the dates don't seem to match either. ThanksJackie

Thank you very much David! Albie From: David Asprey [mailto:davidjasprey@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2015 12:30 PM To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Private Ship- of- war taken another as prize 1807 The British system of fixed Official Numbers only began in 1855. Up until then the reference was by serial number for each myear at the port in question (eg the 45th registration at Plymouth in 1808). In that period, the registration would frequently be renewed ("registered de novo") due to any change of details, often for changes of ownership of 64ths, and clearly whenever there was a change of port of registry. It is possible to trace the sequence of registations, starting with the 1808 Plymouth one in the original transcripts of the register books at TNA, Kew (series BT 107) as each registration shows the previous one, if any, and the closing endorsement shows the next one, or other reason for closure (eg total loss). At some point she was re-rigged from a snow to a brig. She is the latter in the 1845 Lloyd's Register: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oTwSAAAAYAAJ <http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oTwSAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0Ftz6zT302-gFzEJxA5c6C&lr=#v=onepage&q&f=false> &printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0Ftz6zT302-gFzEJxA5c6C&lr=#v=onepage&q&f=false She is no. 433 of "M" You should be able to work back from there using online editions linked from http://www.lr.org/en/research-and-innovation/historical-information/lloyds-register-of-ships-online/ Unfortunately this is a "Mary", by far the commonest name - but at least it is easy to look for "prize" in the place of build column. This MARY's loss is recorded in The Standard (London), Friday, August 22, 1845 (repeating an article from the Tyne Mercury): <<<< LOSS OF THE BRIG MARY, NORTH SHIELDS On Sunday morning last, part of the crew of the Mary, of North Shields, consisting of the captain (Mr. Greaves), the first and second mates, and three boys, arrived at North Shields by the Vesta, steamer, from Leith. They report the loss of their vessel, bound from Quebec with timber, on the 16th of July, off the banks of Newfoundland, in Lat 46 8 N, long 38.30 W, in consequence of collision with the ship New York Packet, bound from Greenock to Quebec, with passengers. The crew were rescued by the brig Norval, and landed at St John's. >>>> I think that the Tyne Mercury article must be more extensive as it is also given as a source in The Hull Packet and East Riding Times of Friday, August 29, 1845. After the mention of the New York packet, it continues: <<<< The accident occurred at midnight, after the mate's watch had gone below. The New York Packet struck the Mary abaft the starboard fore chains, cutting her down to the water's edge, upon which the crew of the latter vessel jumped aboard the former, in expectation of their ship going down. On the following day, observing their ship not much injured, the crew of the Mary returned, and remained on board two days, after which it was found necessary to abandon the ship, in consequence of her shattered condition. The crew were then rescued by the brig Norval and landed at St John's. At the time of the accident the weather was very thick, and a strong gale of wind blowing. >>>> and as a postlude, from The Morning Chronicle (London), Saturday, August 30, 1845: <<<< Quebec, July 31: The New York packet, arrived here today, was in contact with the brig Mary,of North Shields, Quebec for London, on the 16th inst., in lat. 47, long. 48; lost bowsprit, foreyards &c, and sprang a leak. >>>> Was the longitude 38 or 48W. 48W is about 100 miles east of Newfoundland, 38W is pretty much mid-Atlantic. I would think the former more likely. Although the reports refer to "part" of the crew returning, to me the implication is that all had been rescued. Others may well have signed on to other ships, or retiurned home by different routes or to different destinations. There may well be other reports, particularly in the Tyneside newspapers and in Lloyd's List. David On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi All, Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old family ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" 2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? Ex "Fadrenclandet" 2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior to hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. 14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth (1808/45) Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson (Butcher) N-Shields 16-7-1845 Collided Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I can find: 1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I tried other spelling of the Danish ship also 2. What happens to the O/N as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records afterwards? 3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a ship wreck incident? Regards, Albie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The British system of fixed Official Numbers only began in 1855. Up until then the reference was by serial number for each myear at the port in question (eg the 45th registration at Plymouth in 1808). In that period, the registration would frequently be renewed ("registered de novo") due to any change of details, often for changes of ownership of 64ths, and clearly whenever there was a change of port of registry. It is possible to trace the sequence of registations, starting with the 1808 Plymouth one in the original transcripts of the register books at TNA, Kew (series BT 107) as each registration shows the previous one, if any, and the closing endorsement shows the next one, or other reason for closure (eg total loss). At some point she was re-rigged from a snow to a brig. She is the latter in the 1845 Lloyd's Register: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=oTwSAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=editions:0Ftz6zT302-gFzEJxA5c6C&lr=#v=onepage&q&f=false She is no. 433 of "M" You should be able to work back from there using online editions linked from http://www.lr.org/en/research-and-innovation/historical-information/lloyds-register-of-ships-online/ Unfortunately this is a "Mary", by far the commonest name - but at least it is easy to look for "prize" in the place of build column. This MARY's loss is recorded in The Standard (London), Friday, August 22, 1845 (repeating an article from the Tyne Mercury): <<<< LOSS OF THE BRIG MARY, NORTH SHIELDS On Sunday morning last, part of the crew of the Mary, of North Shields, consisting of the captain (Mr. Greaves), the first and second mates, and three boys, arrived at North Shields by the Vesta, steamer, from Leith. They report the loss of their vessel, bound from Quebec with timber, on the 16th of July, off the banks of Newfoundland, in Lat 46 8 N, long 38.30 W, in consequence of collision with the ship New York Packet, bound from Greenock to Quebec, with passengers. The crew were rescued by the brig Norval, and landed at St John's. >>>> I think that the Tyne Mercury article must be more extensive as it is also given as a source in The Hull Packet and East Riding Times of Friday, August 29, 1845. After the mention of the New York packet, it continues: <<<< The accident occurred at midnight, after the mate's watch had gone below. The New York Packet struck the Mary abaft the starboard fore chains, cutting her down to the water's edge, upon which the crew of the latter vessel jumped aboard the former, in expectation of their ship going down. On the following day, observing their ship not much injured, the crew of the Mary returned, and remained on board two days, after which it was found necessary to abandon the ship, in consequence of her shattered condition. The crew were then rescued by the brig Norval and landed at St John's. At the time of the accident the weather was very thick, and a strong gale of wind blowing. >>>> and as a postlude, from The Morning Chronicle (London), Saturday, August 30, 1845: <<<< Quebec, July 31: The New York packet, arrived here today, was in contact with the brig Mary,of North Shields, Quebec for London, on the 16th inst., in lat. 47, long. 48; lost bowsprit, foreyards &c, and sprang a leak. >>>> Was the longitude 38 or 48W. 48W is about 100 miles east of Newfoundland, 38W is pretty much mid-Atlantic. I would think the former more likely. Although the reports refer to "part" of the crew returning, to me the implication is that all had been rescued. Others may well have signed on to other ships, or retiurned home by different routes or to different destinations. There may well be other reports, particularly in the Tyneside newspapers and in Lloyd's List. David On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:02 AM, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > Adi helped me to get the following information on one of our old family > ships from the " Dictionary of Tyne Ships" > > 2899 Mary (1808 - 1845) Snow 282 tons 92.9x27 feet O/N ?? > Ex "Fadrenclandet" > 2-12-1807: Condemned by High Court of the Admiralty. Prize taken prior to > hostilities against Denmark by private ship-of-war The Lion. > 14.5.1808: Certificate of Freedom granted to London. P/R Plymouth (1808/45) > Owners, various up to 1829-Owners: 9-3-1829 James Gibson (Butcher) > N-Shields > 16-7-1845 Collided > > > Can someone please help me to get the some more information where I can > find: > 1. The history of this event- I cannot find anything on the internet I > tried > other spelling of the Danish ship also > 2. What happens to the O/N as it seems to be ignored even in Lloyds records > afterwards? > 3. Where can one find more detail on ship accidents and details of a ship > wreck incident? > > Regards, > Albie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >