Subscribe > Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2012 22:18:26 +0000 > From: marinerslistadmin@virginmedia.com > To: irene.read4@btopenworld.com; mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] ADMIN MESSAGE - SEARCHEABLE ARCHIVES (WAS Re: Fw: Vol 6 Issue 143. Item 1.) > > Graham, > > Yes, the mail archives are searcheable. Go to: > http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/MARINERS.html > and you will see the link at the foot of that page. > > Note: this URL has recently changed with CAPITAL LETTERS replacing small > ones, for any Lister who has this page bookmarked. > > In your case a search for "shells of the ocean" shows that the only > postings have been two from yourself last year. > > As you suggest, you will see I am posting this to the mailing list for > general information. > > Ron Mapplebeck > Joint Administrator > **** > On 29/01/2012 00:18, Irene Read wrote: > > Hi Mick, > > I have spent a couple of interesting, but futile, hours getting to grips > > with the Mariners Archive L site . > > I get Emails from MAR which file under date. The Archive seems to file > > under threads, but has no search function. Occasional Volume and Issue > > numbers occur, but not in any systematic manner. > > Jack Henderson gave me the reference below, and we were corresponding > > about the loss of a Lowestoft fishing smack, the Shells of the Ocean, > > lost with all hands in 1881. [ 70 foot long, one mast, crew of 5; they > > were men in those days]. > > Anyway, how do I relate dates on the [MAR] Emails to the volume and > > Issue numbers, and can you search the Archive? > > > > Any hints greatfully received. If I am not being completely stupid, it > > might be worth putting the explanation onto MAR. > > > > Graham (husband of Irene; its her Email log-in) > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Henderson" > > <evamary@blueyonder.co.uk> > > To: "Irene Read" <irene.read4@btopenworld.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 8:42 AM > > Subject: Re: Vol 6 Issue 143. Item 1. > > > > > >> Hi Graham, an interesting item from Mick of Irish Shipwrecks. If you > >> follow it, you will obtain a bit more info on "Shells of the Ocean" > >> (Lowestoft) Owners name & address etc but nothing regarding demise of > >> crew that I can see. > >> Leads to several links though. > >> Just another step in the right direction for you. > >> Jack Henderson. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hi , You are quite correct in stating that Renfrew is located in Scotland on the River Clyde but on the opposite side of the river from Govan and Clydebank. It has been established that the reference to "Renfrew Dockyard,Belfast" is totally wrong and the vessel i was researching was,in fact, built on the Clyde at Renfrew. Thank you for your interest in my query. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. -----Original Message----- From: elizgh@btinternet.com Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 7:08 PM To: Joe McMillan ; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Location of dockyard Hi , I might be completely off the right track but the only Renfrew I have heard of is in Scotland and is a town situated between Govan and Clydebank , and Wikipedia suggests that it was previously known for shipbuilding (Simons and Lobnitz ) and in particular for building sand dredgers . The shipyard closed in the 1960s . And I cannot see a surname Renfrew in Belfast shipyards , dominated of course by Harland and Wolff . -----Original Message----- From: Joe McMillan via Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:15 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Location of dockyard Hi all, I am trying to obtain information on a shipyard called RENFREW DOCKYARD located in Belfast in regards to a vessel built there in 1866 I have been unable to find any reference to this establishment so any information would be very welcome. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi all, I am trying to obtain information on a shipyard called RENFREW DOCKYARD located in Belfast in regards to a vessel built there in 1866 I have been unable to find any reference to this establishment so any information would be very welcome. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi , I might be completely off the right track but the only Renfrew I have heard of is in Scotland and is a town situated between Govan and Clydebank , and Wikipedia suggests that it was previously known for shipbuilding (Simons and Lobnitz ) and in particular for building sand dredgers . The shipyard closed in the 1960s . And I cannot see a surname Renfrew in Belfast shipyards , dominated of course by Harland and Wolff . -----Original Message----- From: Joe McMillan via Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 9:15 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Location of dockyard Hi all, I am trying to obtain information on a shipyard called RENFREW DOCKYARD located in Belfast in regards to a vessel built there in 1866 I have been unable to find any reference to this establishment so any information would be very welcome. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

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Hi David, Thank you very much for the huge amount of info on the ENGELAND. This will enable me to complete her history. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

I am trying to obtain details of the small Dutch tug Engeland. It is not the 1968 built one but an earlier one possibly built in the 1950`s. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Joe Info from Piet van Damme's TugsList below Photos on this page: http://www.kustvaartforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6497&start=30 best wishes David 1953 ENGELAND, 1980 BREEZAND, 2001 ECHO Tug/Pusher Registered: (NLD)brand:8702 B Rott. 1953 /(NLD)IVR 23.08702 49 GRT, L25,30m(22,30), B6,30m, Dr2,19m, Dp2,79m 1 fpp, diesel 4t 7cyl Stork-Hesselman (nr.6702), 490bhp-360kW, sp 11kn re-engined 1972 diesel 6cyl Stork-Werkspoor type FBHD.240.750 (nr.70035), 600bhp, sp 11kn re-engined 2001 (1994) diesel 6cyl Stork-Wärtsilä type 6FEHD240 (nr.13064), 900bhp-662kW, sp 11kn, bp 14,5t ENGELAND 1953 -15/03: Launched by "Scheepswerven v/h H.H. Bodewes" at Millingen a/d Rijn (NLD) (YN 475) 1953 -03/10 (09/11): delivered to "Nederlandsche Stoomsleepdienst v/h van P. Smit Jr" (Geelbanders) at Rotterdam (NLD) (NLD flag, regd Rotterdam, brand:8702 B Rott. 1953, IVR 23.08702) 1971 (31/03): To "Smit Spido NV" at Rotterdam (NLD) 1972: re-engined diesel Stork-Werkspoor 1973 (18/01): To "Vigilanter Holding BV" at Rotterdam (NLD) 1973 (26/04): To "Smit Spido NV" at Rotterdam (NLD) 1973 (26/04): To "Piet Smit Sleepdienst BV" at Rotterdam (NLD) 1975 -01/01 (10/02): brought in to "Smit-Vos BV" at Rotterdam (NLD) 1980 -21/01: chartered to "Bergings- en Transportbedrijf Van den Akker BV" at Vlissingen (NLD), renamed BREEZAND 1982 -29/01: sold to "Bergings- en Transportbedrijf Van den Akker BV" at Vlissingen (NLD) 2001: re-engined diesel 6cyl (1994) Stork-Wärtsilä (nr.13064) type 6FEHD240, 900bhp-662kW 2001 (17/04): restyled to "Van den Akker Maritime Contractors BV" at Vlissingen (NLD) 2001 -09/12 (19/12): To "L. Polderman Sleepdienst & Berging" at Hansweert (NLD) (NLD flag, regd Hansweert, IVR 23.08702) 2002 (15/01): renamed ECHO 2004 (04/04): transferred to Mevr. J.P.T. Polderman-Albrechts at Hansweert (after the hold-up and murder on Leen Polderman) 2005 (02/02): transferred to E. Polderman & H.G. Polderman at Schore (NLD) (son & daughter of Leen Polderman) 2005: To J.P.R. Albrechts at Hansweert (NLD) 2006: To E. Polderman at Schore (NLD) 2008 (17/07): transferred to "Beheersmij Bergingsbedrijf L. Polderman BV" at Hansweert (NLD) 2014: still in service Photos on this page: http://www.kustvaartforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=6497&start=30 On Sun, Jun 14, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Joe McMillan via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > I am trying to obtain details of the small Dutch tug Engeland. > It is not the 1968 built one but an earlier one possibly built in the > 1950`s. > Any info would be greatly appreciated. > Kindest regards, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Lisa, I don't think that you have had any answers on this yet. Though Great Lakes isn't my usual haunt, I've had a noodle around for you, but it doesn't look promising. This US website: http://www.archives.gov/research/maritime/great-lakes-crew-lists.htmlsays that"Vessel crew lists for the Great Lakes are available for the 1920s to 1970s for selected ports, and are part of Record Group (RG) 85, Records of the Immigration and Naturalization Service. Crew lists exist only for those vessels whose last port of departure was a foreign port; vessels that departed from a U.S. port are not included." So, your Arthur Sorensen is too early for these records. Based on the information in your second posting with the newspaper clipping, there's one *Probable* in the three vessels named CHINA (later CITY OF MONTREAL, O/N 117073) in the Mills List at the "Maritime Museum of the Great Lakes at Kingston"http://www.marmuseum.ca/index.php/research/ship-listsbut I don't see any mention of them having crew lists. [Edit: Yes, that one's a Definite! See this newspaper article:http://images.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/77553/data ] There are possible 1906 master and engineer names here (column 1, second para from bottom):http://images.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/77567/data Another mention of her here, 2 paras below photo of CITY OF OTTAWA:http://www.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/documents/scanner/03/08/default.asp?ID=c009 My apologies Lisa: I can find lots of mentions of her using the search term["Merchants Line" "City of Montreal"] using the quotation marks, but not the square brackets,and it's all very interesting, but that doesn't get you any "further forrader" in your quest for Arthur Sorensen on crew lists, Regards,Adi   From: Lisa Petersen via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 6:27 PM Subject: [MAR] crew lists for steamer CHINA on Lake Erie, 1905 Hello all, I'm trying to follow up on a clue given in the crew agreement of the ship Pythomene that shows Arthur Sorensen having previously sailed on the s/s CHINA.  My problem is determining which steamship CHINA! He signed on as an O.S. on the Pythomene at Portland, Oregon, on 8 Aug 1905.  There was a steamship CHINA owned by the Pacific Mail Steamship Company that sailed in & out of San Francisco, and the U.S. National Archives in San Bruno has shipping articles for this ship from the right time period, but no Arthur Sorensen was found by the Archives staff at my request. Since Arthur Sorensen was from Cleveland, Ohio, and was only 19 in 1905, I looked for steamers on Lake Erie thinking perhaps he got his start there.  This is a possibility: Steamer CHINA of Buffalo Sold Should there have been shipping articles or crew lists for this s/s CHINA, and if so, where might they be now?  Thanks, Lisa Petersen

The link in my previous message apparently doesn't work, so here's the URL and a transcript. http://images.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/34019/data?n=1 Steamer China of Buffalo Sold Anchor Line Sells Vessel to Jacques & Co. of Montreal (by G.N.W. Telegraph) Toronto, Feb. 17— the announcement is made from an authoritative source that the fleet of steamer coming into the local harbor will have an acquisition this coming season in the CHINA of the Anchor line, which for some years past has been on the route between Buffalo and points on the upper lakes. The CHINA, it is stated, has been acquired by the Jacques interested in Montreal and will be placed on a route taking in Montreal, Toronto, Detroit and Cleveland as a passenger and freight boat. She will be run in connection with the steamers of the Merchant's line. J.C. Evans, the Buffalo representative of the Anchor Line, said concerning the above: "It is true that A.C. Jacques & Co. of Montreal have bought the boat. The CHINA had not yet changed hands, but, the transfer will be consummated March 1. The boat is not to come to Buffalo." Buffalo Evening News Friday, 17 Feb 1905 Steam screw CHINA, U.S. No. 5972, of 1,239.26. Home port, Erie, Pa. Merchant Steam Vessels, U.S., 1871 Lisa ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Lisa Petersen On Jun 2, 2015, at 3:00 AM, mariners-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2015 18:27:29 -0400 > From: Lisa Petersen <lisap@kinquest.com> > Subject: [MAR] crew lists for steamer CHINA on Lake Erie, 1905 > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <0B996F75-EF9B-47CC-B709-DF174972B356@kinquest.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hello all, > > I'm trying to follow up on a clue given in the crew agreement of the ship Pythomene that shows Arthur Sorensen having previously sailed on the s/s CHINA. My problem is determining which steamship CHINA! > > He signed on as an O.S. on the Pythomene at Portland, Oregon, on 8 Aug 1905. There was a steamship CHINA owned by the Pacific Mail Steamship Company that sailed in & out of San Francisco, and the U.S. National Archives in San Bruno has shipping articles for this ship from the right time period, but no Arthur Sorensen was found by the Archives staff at my request. > > Since Arthur Sorensen was from Cleveland, Ohio, and was only 19 in 1905, I looked for steamers on Lake Erie thinking perhaps he got his start there. This is a possibility: > > Steamer CHINA of Buffalo Sold > > Should there have been shipping articles or crew lists for this s/s CHINA, and if so, where might they be now? > > Thanks, > > Lisa Petersen >

Hello all, I'm trying to follow up on a clue given in the crew agreement of the ship Pythomene that shows Arthur Sorensen having previously sailed on the s/s CHINA. My problem is determining which steamship CHINA! He signed on as an O.S. on the Pythomene at Portland, Oregon, on 8 Aug 1905. There was a steamship CHINA owned by the Pacific Mail Steamship Company that sailed in & out of San Francisco, and the U.S. National Archives in San Bruno has shipping articles for this ship from the right time period, but no Arthur Sorensen was found by the Archives staff at my request. Since Arthur Sorensen was from Cleveland, Ohio, and was only 19 in 1905, I looked for steamers on Lake Erie thinking perhaps he got his start there. This is a possibility: Steamer CHINA of Buffalo Sold Should there have been shipping articles or crew lists for this s/s CHINA, and if so, where might they be now? Thanks, Lisa Petersen

Hi Graham You say a Naval Pensioner i.e. not a Greenwich Pensioner, which suggests that he was a time served pensioner rather than someone who was invalided out of the service, and might have been due for regular reviews of his entitlement to a pension. If he died in 1876 aged 42, that suggests he was born 1834, and could have joined the RN as a Boy, say about 1848 or 1853-4 as a man, when there was a demand for seamen following the start of the Crimea War, which might suggest that he was in the RN when the Admiralty introduced a revised system for qualifying for a pension in 1853, and a man would normally have qualified for a pension as long as he signed on for a Continuous Service Engagement, taking into account time served from the age of 18, after 20 years, subsequently revised circa 1886 to 22 years, so would not appear to be able to quite qualify under the usual rules then applicable by 1871, BUT looking at the new rules, available in the Navy List for Dec 1856, page 213, in Google Books, I note also that Pensions after 10 and 15 years service may be granted whenever their Lordships think proper to grant pensions after those terms of service ! So given Admiralty approval it looks as though he could have qualified for a naval pension by 1871, or even earlier, and if that was the case I would imagine that the pension would be less than the full rate ie if one served the full 20 years, and pensions being what they were in those days, ie not inflation linked etc., and less than the full pension, he might have needed to supplement his pension and joined the merchant service : alternatively, and probably less likely, but it wasn't unknown for men to blot their copybook and to get into trouble with the law, and for the Admiralty to hear about it and stop their pension, period, if it was thought that they had bought the Navy into disrepute. A couple of thoughts for your consideration. Regards Paul On Thu, 28 May 2015 15:51:46 +0100, Graham Read via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >One of my ancestors had an odd career. Started out in the Royal Navy >{Seaman 1857}; then Coastguard {1861}; Naval Pensioner ( 1871); Seaman >Merchant Service {1874} and deceased by 1879. > >I coundn't find his death in Free BMD for 1879 {1870-1880} but The Register >of Accounts of Wages and Effects of Deceased Seamen - received and disposed >of gives - for 1876 - Henry Maxwell died aged 42yrs on 01-01-1876 of >enteritis on board the ship TAGUS {ON 65582} 'at sea'. The report came >from Southampton {So'ton}. > >I wonder if SKS could give a few details of from where it sailed and of the >ship. >Also, if he was a naval pensioner, why was he back at sea ? Some early >crackdown on benefits ? or was a review of incapacity common ? > >BTW I have his Coastguard record which fits in nicely with the Census >records: kids in the right towns at the right times. > >Graham > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

TAGUS (Off No 65582) was the third of three sisters built for the Royal Mail Steam Packet Co in 1870-1871 by John Elder, Fairfield Yard, Govan for their Southampton-West Indies service. West Idies ports woulfd have been some or all of Barbados, Grenada, Santa Cruz (Dominican Rep?), St Thomas, Nicola Mole (Haiti), Santiago de Cuba, Kingston (Jamaica). Coaling calls were also made at Corunna, Madeira and Bermuda. She seems to have had an uneventful life, continuing in this service until broken up in 1897. http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=6109 David On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:02 PM, clare via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Dear Graham > > Have a look at the National Archives online; Royal Navy Continuous Service > Engagement Books which began in 1853 are indexed online and you can > download an image. From what you say, Henry was born c1834 so to start a > sea career in 1857 sounds late to me unless he was a merchant seaman first > so you could try findmypast who have indexed some merchant navy seamen > cards. I have found some of my family this way from the 1850s. > > He could have had a pension from the RN if he had served for 20 years which > seems unlikely on the face of it! The GRO has an index for deaths at sea on > British shipping so you could get a certificate from them which should give > cause of death and exactly where. > > Clare Pilkington > > On May 28 2015, Graham Read via wrote: > > One of my ancestors had an odd career. Started out in the Royal Navy > {Seaman 1857}; then Coastguard {1861}; Naval Pensioner ( 1871); Seaman > Merchant Service {1874} and deceased by 1879. > > I coundn't find his death in Free BMD for 1879 {1870-1880} but The Register > of Accounts of Wages and Effects of Deceased Seamen - received and disposed > of gives - for 1876 - Henry Maxwell died aged 42yrs on 01-01-1876 of > enteritis on board the ship TAGUS {ON 65582} 'at sea'. The report came > from Southampton {So'ton}. > > I wonder if SKS could give a few details of from where it sailed and of the > ship. > Also, if he was a naval pensioner, why was he back at sea ? Some early > crackdown on benefits ? or was a review of incapacity common ? > > BTW I have his Coastguard record which fits in nicely with the Census > records: kids in the right towns at the right times. > > Graham > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send > an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Graham Have a look at the National Archives online; Royal Navy Continuous Service Engagement Books which began in 1853 are indexed online and you can download an image. From what you say, Henry was born c1834 so to start a sea career in 1857 sounds late to me unless he was a merchant seaman first so you could try findmypast who have indexed some merchant navy seamen cards. I have found some of my family this way from the 1850s. He could have had a pension from the RN if he had served for 20 years which seems unlikely on the face of it! The GRO has an index for deaths at sea on British shipping so you could get a certificate from them which should give cause of death and exactly where. Clare Pilkington On May 28 2015, Graham Read via wrote: One of my ancestors had an odd career. Started out in the Royal Navy {Seaman 1857}; then Coastguard {1861}; Naval Pensioner ( 1871); Seaman Merchant Service {1874} and deceased by 1879. I coundn't find his death in Free BMD for 1879 {1870-1880} but The Register of Accounts of Wages and Effects of Deceased Seamen - received and disposed of gives - for 1876 - Henry Maxwell died aged 42yrs on 01-01-1876 of enteritis on board the ship TAGUS {ON 65582} 'at sea'. The report came from Southampton {So'ton}. I wonder if SKS could give a few details of from where it sailed and of the ship. Also, if he was a naval pensioner, why was he back at sea ? Some early crackdown on benefits ? or was a review of incapacity common ? BTW I have his Coastguard record which fits in nicely with the Census records: kids in the right towns at the right times. Graham ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of my ancestors had an odd career. Started out in the Royal Navy {Seaman 1857}; then Coastguard {1861}; Naval Pensioner ( 1871); Seaman Merchant Service {1874} and deceased by 1879. I coundn't find his death in Free BMD for 1879 {1870-1880} but The Register of Accounts of Wages and Effects of Deceased Seamen - received and disposed of gives - for 1876 - Henry Maxwell died aged 42yrs on 01-01-1876 of enteritis on board the ship TAGUS {ON 65582} 'at sea'. The report came from Southampton {So'ton}. I wonder if SKS could give a few details of from where it sailed and of the ship. Also, if he was a naval pensioner, why was he back at sea ? Some early crackdown on benefits ? or was a review of incapacity common ? BTW I have his Coastguard record which fits in nicely with the Census records: kids in the right towns at the right times. Graham

Hi David, Thank you so much for your reply to my query on this vessel. I have a photo of the SAMUEL N.LAPSLEY which was built by Lobnitz & Co in 1901 and i am keen to find out about her history. Hope you can find out more. Cheers, Joe McMillan From: David Asprey Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2015 9:03 PM To: Joe McMillan ; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] SAMUEL N.LAPSLEY Hello Joe I have been hunting round to edit our datasheet on this steamer http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=11792 This is not the vessel built in 1901 - that came as a kit from Richmond, Virginia and reassembled at Leopoldville. She was tragically lost in 1903 and 24 on board drowned. The Lobnitz vessel was her replacement. The Presbyterian Heritage Center at Montreat NC, USA has the builder's model of SAMUEL N LAPSLEY. In one of their publications it is claimed that the steamer (presumably as the later OLGA) was later dismantled, and parts used in a floating dock at Luebo, Congo. I am in touch with the Center about this and will let you know if more details surface. David Asprey On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Joe McMillan via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi all, Can anyone tell me what became of the sternwheel paddle steamer SAMUEL N.LAPSLEY. It was built in 1901 by Lobnitz & Co of Renfrew for the American Presbyterian Mission for use in the Belgian Congo. It was dismantled at Renfrew and shipped in crates to the Congo where it was re-erected. I have been unable to locate any further information on this small vessel or what was the final fate of it,so any assistance would be most welcome. Thank you in anticipation, Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hi all, Can anyone tell me what became of the sternwheel paddle steamer SAMUEL N.LAPSLEY. It was built in 1901 by Lobnitz & Co of Renfrew for the American Presbyterian Mission for use in the Belgian Congo. It was dismantled at Renfrew and shipped in crates to the Congo where it was re-erected. I have been unable to locate any further information on this small vessel or what was the final fate of it,so any assistance would be most welcome. Thank you in anticipation, Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. http://www.avast.com

Hello Joe I have been hunting round to edit our datasheet on this steamer http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=11792 This is not the vessel built in 1901 - that came as a kit from Richmond, Virginia and reassembled at Leopoldville. She was tragically lost in 1903 and 24 on board drowned. The Lobnitz vessel was her replacement. The Presbyterian Heritage Center at Montreat NC, USA has the builder's model of SAMUEL N LAPSLEY. In one of their publications it is claimed that the steamer (presumably as the later OLGA) was later dismantled, and parts used in a floating dock at Luebo, Congo. I am in touch with the Center about this and will let you know if more details surface. David Asprey On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 8:17 AM, Joe McMillan via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi all, > Can anyone tell me what became of the sternwheel paddle steamer > SAMUEL N.LAPSLEY. > It was built in 1901 by Lobnitz & Co of Renfrew for the American > Presbyterian Mission for use in the Belgian Congo. > It was dismantled at Renfrew and shipped in crates to the Congo where it > was re-erected. > I have been unable to locate any further information on this small vessel > or what was the final fate of it,so any assistance would be most welcome. > Thank you in anticipation, > Kindest regards, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > http://www.avast.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear allWould anyone know the location of the Marine Board Offices in Liverpool around 1917? Would they have been in the same building as the Dock Board Offices in the Pier Head? Were they in fact the same organisation?Thank you for any help.Rhiannon