Hi , have you tried the Discovery National Archives site ? there is a section for Merchant seamen ......... had we a name we might have helped more . -----Original Message----- From: Jackie via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:35 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Finding apprentice records Hello, this is a long shot but is there anyone here that looks up or is able to look up Merchant Navy apprentice records at the National Archives? Around 1838. Also when a Captain left the Merchant Navy was there a formal end like when you leave the regular Navy? Thanks Jackie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello, this is a long shot but is there anyone here that looks up or is able to look up Merchant Navy apprentice records at the National Archives? Around 1838. Also when a Captain left the Merchant Navy was there a formal end like when you leave the regular Navy? Thanks Jackie

I have my great grandfathers Continual Certificate of Discharge book for the early 1900's. He was at sea long before this, is it possible to get sight of his previous records from the late nineteenth century? I believe he was French and first appears in 1882 in Glasgow when he marries, so was here before that year I would assume. Sent from my iPad

Hello list, My name is Flaviu and I need information about a ship wrecked near port of Ashdod, Israel. A few month ago started to enlarge the port of Ashdod and needed to excavate a ship wrecked a long time ago. After a day of excavation found shells on the ship, a Lewis gun and I think a Howitzer. The ship is more than 100 meters long and build with rivets. The main structure of the ship is in the middle section of the ship and we think it is a Liberty Ship. I will be happy if someone can help me with information about Liberty Ship that wrecked near port of Ashdod, Israel or Palestine (name of the region in the 40th) and of course about the story of wrecking the Sip. Thanks a lot Flaviu Varga

Hi, the most obvious place might be Hansard which I think is now online back to the American revolution . There are also newspapers online for the period ,national and local . And from the good Wikipedia entry , a great many useful articles etc in the American archives. And I hope you have plenty of time to do this research !!!! Hansard for 1805 was and is simply fascinating Who was Sir Home Popham ? and Bartholomew ? -----Original Message----- From: Arnold Schmidt via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:33 AM To: Arnold Schmidt ; MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Impressment Legislation Hi, all: I'm looking for information about impressment in Britain, particularly regarding Parliamentary debates/legislation for/against the press between the 1790s and 1840s. I've found lots of general material: origins, how it was conducted, social histories, the press in literature. I'm really looking for a kind of nuts-and-bolts legislative history. If not that, perhaps a list of MPs interested in the issue whose biographies I could consult. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help -- cheers! -- Arnold -- Arnold Anthony Schmidt, Ph.D. Professor of English California State University http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0772830/ http://www.csustan.edu/english/schmidt/index.html http://us.macmillan.com/byronandtherhetoricofitaliannationalism http://www.pickeringchatto.com/titles/1851-9781848935648-british-nautical-melodramas-1820-1850 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi, all: I'm looking for information about impressment in Britain, particularly regarding Parliamentary debates/legislation for/against the press between the 1790s and 1840s. I've found lots of general material: origins, how it was conducted, social histories, the press in literature. I'm really looking for a kind of nuts-and-bolts legislative history. If not that, perhaps a list of MPs interested in the issue whose biographies I could consult. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help -- cheers! -- Arnold -- Arnold Anthony Schmidt, Ph.D. Professor of English California State University http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0772830/ http://www.csustan.edu/english/schmidt/index.html http://us.macmillan.com/byronandtherhetoricofitaliannationalism http://www.pickeringchatto.com/titles/1851-9781848935648-british-nautical-melodramas-1820-1850

Hi Michele, In the seamen that I have researched their ticket number remained the same no matter what vessel they were one. Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of lynsmum via Sent: Monday, 20 July 2015 3:29 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] SEAMAN'S TICKET Hi list, During a person’s service in the Merchant or Royal Navy does their ticket number change from each boat or remain the same? If SKS could advise me I would be greatly appreciative. Michele, Sydney Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi list, During a person’s service in the Merchant or Royal Navy does their ticket number change from each boat or remain the same? If SKS could advise me I would be greatly appreciative. Michele, Sydney Australia

And for the record for RN personnel : a) Prior to 1853 ; whilst tickets were used extensively for various activities, for leave. for transfer from one vessel to another or to hospital etc., i.e. to use the Hindi word, a ticket was a chit or chiti that a man was given, which authorised him to do something or be somewhere which would account for his absence from his normal place of duty : very few survive. In fact, there was a time, in the late 19th Century, when the person holding a book of tickets, for say leave, would sell them, quite illegally of course, but the authorities seemed to turn a blind eye to it for many years, until it was discovered at Portsmouth, that there were numerous doubtful practices taking place, in many instances by the Ship's Police, ie the very people who should have been looking into these affairs e.g. a man might arrive at Portsmouth, to join a ship which was still at sea, and rather than just doing jobs to occupy him the Master at Arms or Ship's Corporal might suggest, with a nod and wink, that he could fix some leave until the ship was due in port, but this would come at a price, say a few shillings. Similarly, a group of artificers were found supposedly working in the small boat yard at Gosport, but there was little or no work for them, and they were reputedly skiving off home once they'd reported for duty. News of these problems eventually reached the Commander-in-Chief and steps were soon taken to prevent this sort of thing happening again. b) From 1853 onwards each rating was given an "official number," ......until about 1971/2, when computerised pay was introduced and both officers and ratings were given "service numbers", but until that date officers didn't have a number. At the same time it is probably worth noting that tickets as such were slowly phased out, being replaced by forms which each had a description, and eventually a letter as a prefix, usually the letter S., followed by a number, and in some instances, where say a similar form was used for various purposes, such as the history sheet, which was slightly different for each branch, * a suffix, eg. my history sheet was S.1246F, for the Supply and Secretariat Branch, which was introduced in 1923, and revised in Apr 1954. * detailed the work and responsibilities carried out by a man on each ship and how well. Whilst tickets were phased out it is perhaps worth noting that even when I joined the service, over 100 years later, the term ticket was often used to describe the form one was given when being transferred or drafted from one ship to another. Paul On Mon, 20 Jul 2015 15:28:57 +1000, lynsmum via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hi list, > >During a person’s service in the Merchant or Royal Navy does their ticket number change from each boat or remain the same? > >If SKS could advise me I would be greatly appreciative. > >Michele, Sydney Australia > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

"cy", perhaps "currency"? David On Wed, Jul 15, 2015 at 8:36 AM, rosalindthefair via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > Good morning list > I have been very quiet of late and so has the list. Hope everyone is OK. > > I was looking through the crew agreements in BT98/3005 in the National > Archives on Saturday and came across this note tucked into the agreement > for the Otter, which sailed from Liverpool July 1851. I thought it might be > of general interest. One cannot help but feel sorry for Mr Fox! > > Master Thomas Fox Liverpool and Nova Scotia > On the arrival of the Otter of Liverpool, Thomas Fox, Master, in Halifax, > Nova Scotia, the Mayor's Court there dictated upon application that the > ship's agreement was "an indifferent description of the Voyage" and not > binding on the Mate, Louis Hodge and he was discharged accordingly. After > which all the crew left the vessel on the same plea, thereby causing great > additional expense to the Ship, the wage in Halifax being £4.00 (cy?? no > idea what this might mean) per man. A most extraordinary decision in my > experience. The signature was illegible. > > The description is the usual sort of thing, from Liverpool to "Halifax to > the Mauritius from thence if required to any port or ports and places in > the Indian Ocean, China or Eastern Seas or wherever freight may offer and > back to Liverpool" I think it said not exceeding 2 years but I didn't write > that down. > > I thought Louis Hodge might have been French Canadian, but he gave his > birthplace somewhere in England. Mr Fox did manage to assemble a complete > replacement crew. I feel there has to be a story behind this! > > Clare Abbott > Oxford UK. Rain, thank goodness > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Good morning list I have been very quiet of late and so has the list. Hope everyone is OK. I was looking through the crew agreements in BT98/3005 in the National Archives on Saturday and came across this note tucked into the agreement for the Otter, which sailed from Liverpool July 1851. I thought it might be of general interest. One cannot help but feel sorry for Mr Fox! Master Thomas Fox Liverpool and Nova Scotia On the arrival of the Otter of Liverpool, Thomas Fox, Master, in Halifax, Nova Scotia, the Mayor's Court there dictated upon application that the ship's agreement was "an indifferent description of the Voyage" and not binding on the Mate, Louis Hodge and he was discharged accordingly. After which all the crew left the vessel on the same plea, thereby causing great additional expense to the Ship, the wage in Halifax being £4.00 (cy?? no idea what this might mean) per man. A most extraordinary decision in my experience. The signature was illegible. The description is the usual sort of thing, from Liverpool to "Halifax to the Mauritius from thence if required to any port or ports and places in the Indian Ocean, China or Eastern Seas or wherever freight may offer and back to Liverpool" I think it said not exceeding 2 years but I didn't write that down. I thought Louis Hodge might have been French Canadian, but he gave his birthplace somewhere in England. Mr Fox did manage to assemble a complete replacement crew. I feel there has to be a story behind this! Clare Abbott Oxford UK. Rain, thank goodness

Ron Bartlett passed away July 6 peacefully. His email will be turned off later this month. Mark Bartlett Son T-Mobile. America's First Nationwide 4G Network. ------ Original message------From: Rodney Hall viaDate: Tue, Jul 14, 2015 4:04 AMTo: mariners@rootsweb.com;Subject:[MAR] MN Midshipman TrainingWas there a training college/ship for merchant seamen in the 1800's?-- Rodney M H HallSuaviter sed fortiter Gently but firmly ~~~~~~~~~~~~ -------------------------------To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Rodney I think you can probably say lots......from the RN's Royal Hospital for Seamen, the school which taught boys whose fathers had died in service or, if there was room, lads with both parents alive, including sons of officers and ratings. And then there was the school like the Conway, off Anglesey IIRC, and several others around the coast, plus a number of ships which took boys who had been getting into trouble, but who the magistrates thought might turn over a new leaf if properly supervised.....whilst the organisers of these schools wanted their charges to go so sea, they don't appear to have any preference regarding which service, taking into account, I would guess, the fact that the Admiralty were usually providing the accommodation in the form of old hulks. There was the college on the Upper Thames at Pangbourne, but am not sure when this started. And seem to remember that in addition to Greenwich, the Marine Society was also one the earliest innovators of this form of education. There used to be a website which detailed them all at one time, but haven't looked lately. Haven't seen this one before, but looks interesting : http://www.rakaia.co.uk/downloads/sea-schools/sea-schools.pdf Paul On Tue, 14 Jul 2015 10:00:55 +0100, Rodney Hall via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Was there a training college/ship for merchant seamen in the 1800's? >-- >Rodney M H Hall >Suaviter sed fortiter > Gently but firmly >~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Was there a training college/ship for merchant seamen in the 1800's? -- Rodney M H Hall Suaviter sed fortiter Gently but firmly ~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hello Peter, Erm ... no, I don't think they are the same SYREN. I will send you another email off-list with two attachments (The Mariners List does not allow attachments in messages) showing her entry in Richard Keys' "Dictionary of Tyne Sailing Ships". Your SYREN was wrecked near Hartlepool on 30 September 1849. Regards,Adi   From: Peter Phillips via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: David Asprey <davidjasprey@gmail.com>; mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2015 8:20 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] POTOMAC /NAIRNSHIRE Hi David, I am very interested the entry for TYne built ships. It contains an entry for  a ship called the Syren but in 1801 by Francis Hurry.  I am wondering if this is the same ship as the M.S. Syren owned by C & S Enderby of London. It was This ship was engaged in whaling in 1816. Do you have any more information which would prove these ships are the same ship or prove they are different ships? (I am interested because my 3 times great granfather was drowned on the M.S. Syren in 1816) Kind Regards Peter Phillips Melbourne, Australia On 9/07/2015 9:36 AM, David Asprey via wrote: > On the assumption that he was a British seaman, it looks like these: > > NAIRNSHIRE > see http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=4496&vessel=NAIRNSHIRE > > POTOMAC > see http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/P-Ships/potomac1902.html > > > David > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:10 PM, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >>                              Hi , wonder if anyone can find me details of >> the Potomac and the Nairnshire .  My grandfather was 3rd Mate aged 27 on >> the Potomac in 1915 formerly of the Nairnshire .  Thanks. >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nivard, many thanks. Teri Comans Researching Angove, Bylett, Comans, English, Horsey, Patrick, Ramsay, Travers Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2015 17:17:15 +0100 From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> Subject: [MAR] Merchant Navy 1915 crew lists at the National Archives To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <559D4D0B.908@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Some have probably seen this but just in case some missed it <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/first-world-war/search-merchant-navy-191 5-crew-lists/?utm_source=The+National+Archives&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign =5900568_July+2015+enewsletter&utm_content=1915+Crew+Lists> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi David, I am very interested the entry for TYne built ships. It contains an entry for a ship called the Syren but in 1801 by Francis Hurry. I am wondering if this is the same ship as the M.S. Syren owned by C & S Enderby of London. It was This ship was engaged in whaling in 1816. Do you have any more information which would prove these ships are the same ship or prove they are different ships? (I am interested because my 3 times great granfather was drowned on the M.S. Syren in 1816) Kind Regards Peter Phillips Melbourne, Australia On 9/07/2015 9:36 AM, David Asprey via wrote: > On the assumption that he was a British seaman, it looks like these: > > NAIRNSHIRE > see http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=4496&vessel=NAIRNSHIRE > > POTOMAC > see http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/P-Ships/potomac1902.html > > > David > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:10 PM, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >> Hi , wonder if anyone can find me details of >> the Potomac and the Nairnshire . My grandfather was 3rd Mate aged 27 on >> the Potomac in 1915 formerly of the Nairnshire . Thanks. >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

On the assumption that he was a British seaman, it looks like these: NAIRNSHIRE see http://www.clydeships.co.uk/view.php?ref=4496&vessel=NAIRNSHIRE POTOMAC see http://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/P-Ships/potomac1902.html David On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 5:10 PM, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi , wonder if anyone can find me details of > the Potomac and the Nairnshire . My grandfather was 3rd Mate aged 27 on > the Potomac in 1915 formerly of the Nairnshire . Thanks. > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some have probably seen this but just in case some missed it <http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/first-world-war/search-merchant-navy-1915-crew-lists/?utm_source=The+National+Archives&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=5900568_July+2015+enewsletter&utm_content=1915+Crew+Lists> -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi , wonder if anyone can find me details of the Potomac and the Nairnshire . My grandfather was 3rd Mate aged 27 on the Potomac in 1915 formerly of the Nairnshire . Thanks. --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus