Hi Lynden If you look her up in "Lloyd's List", the shipping newspaper - which when I last needed it was still available on microfilm at the Guildhall library in London, but may also be available at a maritime museum nearer to you (try asking at Shoreham?) - you should be able to find out exactly where she called and when. John & Lucy was a full-rigged sailing ship and her route would have borne little relation to a steamship's route in 1915 because a steamship could take a direct route between two points whereas John & Lucy would have had to shape her course according to the best winds. >From Liverpool, it is possible that she might have called at a port in Ireland, but I think it is unlikely. More likely Irish passengers went over to Liverpool to join her. The sailings to Australia I have researched were about 20 years later, but I think that the following would not be too far wrong in 1854 Having proceeded via the Irish sea, she would head in a generally south-westerly direction , possibly seeing Madeira, before changing direction south-south-west once she was clear of the risk of running into Africa, aiming very roughly for the sticky-out bit of Brazil. Having crossed the equator and before reaching Brazil she would turn south-east so as to pass within a few hundred miles south of the Cape of Good Hope. Continuing into 40-odd degrees south, she would then head due east until coming up to the north towards her destination. This route was determined by the prevailing winds, and could have been departed from if she needed supplies or repairs en route - but their aim would probably be to do the voyage in one hop. "Log of Logs" vol 1 shows that an anonymous diary for the 1854 voyage to Melbourne exists somewhere (see the key in the book - I haven't looked up what the cryptic reference means). See entry under the vessel name at https://zenodo.org/record/6901/files/LogofLogsVol1.pdf . There is more information for an 1857 voyage, and another for an 1858 voyage referred to in volume 3 which gives a brief outline of events. In 1858 she doesn't seem to have called elsewhere as far as one can tell from the summary, and in 1854, she took a little over 3 months on the voyage. This is longer than the passages being made by iron ships and ex- tea clippers in the 1870s which were doing well at 70-odd days so I suspect just means that she was a bit slow or that the weather didn't favour her, but still made a non-stop voyage as it doesn't seem long enough to call at places on the way. But Lloyds List and the diaries should make it clear. The page from which you can access all 3 volumes is https://zenodo.org/record/6901#.VbjYInmh1mN In the 1870s and later passenger diaries tend to quote the ship's exact noon position as given by the master and the same may hold good for 1854; if so you may be able to trace her exact route (by eg placing position marks on Google Earth) if you want. Cheers Piers On 29 July 2015 at 12:05, <Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me the route that the 'John And Lucy' would have taken > from Liverpool to Australia in 1854? She left Liverpool 9 June 1854 and > arrived Port Phillip on 13 September 1854. I understand she carried 494 > passengers and also a cargo of books and lime. > > I really want to know if she would have stopped en route and picked up > more passengers? > > Thanks for any help. > Lynden > > West Sussex, UK > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Colleagues: I'd like to thank everyone who sent sources for my impressment research, particularly Nicholas Blake, Peter Enlund, Martin Evans, Glen Hodgins, and Peter Hore. Some excellent leads here. Thanks so much -- cheers! -- Arnold ===================== Hi, all: I'm looking for information about impressment in Britain, particularly regarding Parliamentary debates/legislation for/against the press between the 1790s and 1840s. I've found lots of general material: origins, how it was conducted, social histories, the press in literature. I'm really looking for a kind of nuts-and-bolts legislative history. If not that, perhaps a list of MPs interested in the issue whose biographies I could consult. Any suggestions? Thanks in advance for your help -- cheers! -- Arnold -- Arnold Anthony Schmidt, Ph.D. Professor of English California State University http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0772830/ http://www.csustan.edu/english/schmidt/index.html http://us.macmillan.com/byronandtherhetoricofitaliannationalism http://www.pickeringchatto.com/titles/1851-9781848935648-british-nautical-melodramas-1820-1850

Can anyone tell me the route that the 'John And Lucy' would have taken from Liverpool to Australia in 1854? She left Liverpool 9 June 1854 and arrived Port Phillip on 13 September 1854. I understand she carried 494 passengers and also a cargo of books and lime. I really want to know if she would have stopped en route and picked up more passengers? Thanks for any help. Lynden West Sussex, UK

Hi Ron, Many thanks - I found the details about the U-boat attack but nothing about the ship prior to this. Best wishes Paul On 27 Jul 2015 19:42, "Ron Mapplebeck" <ron.mapplebeck1@virgin.net> wrote: > Paul, > > You may already have found the following? > Quite a few details and photos about her at: > http://www.searlecanada.org/sunderland/sunderland073.html > (just over halfway down page) > Also: http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/841.html > and: http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?187296 > > Miramar give her launch date as: 31.10.36 > > Ron Mapplebeck > (Middlesbrough, UK - 25 miles south of Sunderland) > **** > On 27/07/2015 19:09, Dr. Paul Lee via wrote: > >> Hi, >> I'm seeking details of a ship called the Hylton, launched in 1936 for the >> William Pickersgill & Sons Ltd, (Sunderland) company. I know she was sunk >> in a U-Boat attack in March 1941 but I am seeking other details such as >> date of launch etc. >> >> If you can help, that'd be great! >> >> Best wishes >> >> Paul >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >

Paul, You may already have found the following? Quite a few details and photos about her at: http://www.searlecanada.org/sunderland/sunderland073.html (just over halfway down page) Also: http://uboat.net/allies/merchants/841.html and: http://www.wrecksite.eu/wreck.aspx?187296 Miramar give her launch date as: 31.10.36 Ron Mapplebeck (Middlesbrough, UK - 25 miles south of Sunderland) **** On 27/07/2015 19:09, Dr. Paul Lee via wrote: > Hi, > I'm seeking details of a ship called the Hylton, launched in 1936 for the > William Pickersgill & Sons Ltd, (Sunderland) company. I know she was sunk > in a U-Boat attack in March 1941 but I am seeking other details such as > date of launch etc. > > If you can help, that'd be great! > > Best wishes > > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, I'm seeking details of a ship called the Hylton, launched in 1936 for the William Pickersgill & Sons Ltd, (Sunderland) company. I know she was sunk in a U-Boat attack in March 1941 but I am seeking other details such as date of launch etc. If you can help, that'd be great! Best wishes Paul

Have a bit of a dig around at http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/ , especially Lloyd's Register On 25 July 2015 at 16:24, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, the Copenhagen was the last ship in > which Capt Richard Woodget was Mate , it sailed 1874-80 to India during the > famine period , presumably with relief supplies , and was also in the > “coolie trade to Mauritius “. In 1881 –1885 Capt Woodget was Captain > and again made three coolie passages from London to Zanzibar, Port Natal > and Mauritius . Post Cutty Sark his last ship was the Coldinghame 1059 > tons, in the Australian wool trade. Can anyone supply the details of > these three ships, when they were built , who by (?Jock Willis) and any > other details . Thanks . > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, as has recently been said, could you please make this haystack a little bit smaller . What did you find on Ancestry ? did you make a note ? Canadia Seawafers sound like food .........perhaps it was Canadian Seafarers ? perhaps you could find this again and check . Did you get his marriage certificate ? There is a marriage on Freebmd of a Daniel Cameron in Liverpool district in March 1847 quarter . Does his wife have a name ? where were they living in 1851 and 1871 ? if he was married in 1847 , he cannot have been born in 1835 , marriage of 12yr olds went out in medieval times. If you can narrow this search down for us , we may be able to help . -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Mercer via Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 4:04 PM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Daniel Cameron and Daniel Thomas Cameron Hi, I am looking for information on the above individuals, a father and son. Supposedly Daniel Thomas Cameron was born around 1835 in Canada. His father, Daniel Cameron, is thought to be from Scotland (unconfirmed). Daniel Thomas Cameron died in 1896 in the UK. He is listed as a Mariner on his marriage bann (in the UK 1847) and is not on any UK census until about 1871 - the wife lists him as at Sea on the 1851 census. I have found a document on Ancestry on the Canadia Seawafers (or something) that is mentioning a Daniel Thomas Cameron, a Master Mariner, and am wondering if there could be more information to be found either on Daniel Thomas, or his father. There is mention of Sydney, Nova Scotia (?), Point Wolfe (?) Cap Breton (?) in some of these documents and I am wondering if they may gave some idea of the location of where the father Daniel may have set up home, and where Daniel Thomas Cameron operated his shipping exploits from. Is anyone able to help shed some light on where to look for these 2 mariners! ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi, I am looking for information on the above individuals, a father and son. Supposedly Daniel Thomas Cameron was born around 1835 in Canada. His father, Daniel Cameron, is thought to be from Scotland (unconfirmed). Daniel Thomas Cameron died in 1896 in the UK. He is listed as a Mariner on his marriage bann (in the UK 1847) and is not on any UK census until about 1871 - the wife lists him as at Sea on the 1851 census. I have found a document on Ancestry on the Canadia Seawafers (or something) that is mentioning a Daniel Thomas Cameron, a Master Mariner, and am wondering if there could be more information to be found either on Daniel Thomas, or his father. There is mention of Sydney, Nova Scotia (?), Point Wolfe (?) Cap Breton (?) in some of these documents and I am wondering if they may gave some idea of the location of where the father Daniel may have set up home, and where Daniel Thomas Cameron operated his shipping exploits from. Is anyone able to help shed some light on where to look for these 2 mariners!

Hi, Received a query on another list recently asking for details of the career of Captain Charles Adams, Royal Navy, who died in 1921. He was probably born in Dorset, England, to William and Sarah (nee Churchill) Adams, married 1837. Whilst he was probably born Piddletrenthide, Dorset, I think I've confirmed pretty conclusively that Captain Adams never served in the Royal Navy as an officer, so, in view of the fact that he would appear to have had maritime connections, i.e. have seen a photo of his grave showing an anchor marked out across it, and his being described as a captain, had a look at the online Index to the Captains Registers of Lloyd's of London (Guildhall Library Ms 18567) http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capsA.pdf but can't see anyone who matches the Charles Adams we're looking for, so got to wondering whether we should be looking for a Captain of a vessel working on the coastal trade since, I understand, he wouldn't have needed to be registered ? That being the case it seemed to me to be a little like looking for the proverbial needle in a haystack, unless someone has some brilliant ideas, or a good nose for finding this man, if he ever was the master of a merchant vessel ? Help ! Paul Some additional info regarding the family : >My G G Grandfather’s brother Charles. >Here is what my gran wrote: >Later when Mary was about 26 years old, she met David Adams, aged 36 years. David had been born in Piddletrenhide, Dorset, England to William and Sarah (nee Churchill), who had married in 1835. His parents had been farmers and brought up a family of 2 girls and 4 boys. As each of the boys reached the age of 14 years, he entered the British Navy. Firstly Charles, followed by David, then John and Clement. Charles and John became Captains; Clement was killed in some war in Malta; David remained a seaman. He lost his hearing during service in the war - the sounds of large guns blasting away being the cause. >(these are my Grandmothers words… love the bit about ’some war in Malta’) and same same whilst attempting to identify those mentioned : >>If I've got the right couple, a William Adams and Sarah Churchill >>married in the Cerne Registration District, Dorset, some time during >>the quarter ended Sep 1837, which at that date included the village of >>Piddletrenthide : >> >>http://www.freebmd.org.uk >> >>A look in a copy of the Parish registers for Piddletrenthide, ie the >>Bishop's Transcripts : >> >>http://www.opcdorset.org/PiddleFiles/Piddletrenthide/Piddletrenthide.htm >> >>suggests our couple then produced the following children at >>Piddletrenthide, but can't see a Charles or David >> >>1837: Dec-10: Mary: William & Sarah : ADAMS: >>Piddletrenthide: Labourer: >>1847: Feb-15: Sarah: William & Sarah : ADAMS: >>Piddletrenthide: Labourer: >>1847: Jun-13: Sarah: William & Sarah : ADAMS: >>Piddletrenthide: ……………………..: Private >>1858: Feb-21: Clement John: William & Sarah : ADAMS: >>Piddletrenthide: Labourer: >> >>the 2 girls are there, but only one boy, but that said it would appear >>that a few years are missing circa 1860-62 and 1869-70, although their >>parents would be knocking on a bit by then ?

Hi, the Copenhagen was the last ship in which Capt Richard Woodget was Mate , it sailed 1874-80 to India during the famine period , presumably with relief supplies , and was also in the “coolie trade to Mauritius “. In 1881 –1885 Capt Woodget was Captain and again made three coolie passages from London to Zanzibar, Port Natal and Mauritius . Post Cutty Sark his last ship was the Coldinghame 1059 tons, in the Australian wool trade. Can anyone supply the details of these three ships, when they were built , who by (?Jock Willis) and any other details . Thanks . --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Jackie, Though originally registered to Preston, your ISABELLA appears to have been transferred to Tyne registry in 1854. [You might pick up more details of her build through 'transcriptions and transactions' in the Newcastle?/Shields Customs House Register for that year.] Her dimensions are given as 93.2 X 24.5 X 15.8 feet. New owner as of 20 April, 1854 was George Guildford, shipowner of North Shields. New master as of same date was George Cunningham. She went missing after leaving the Tyne for Quebec with master and crew of thirteen. [That suggests that she was then in the timber trade, or coal out and timber home.] Source: Entry #2217 in Richard Keys' "Dictionary of Tyne Sailing Ships". **************************************************************************** From:  MARINE INTELLIGENCE . The Newcastle Courant etc (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England), Friday, June 2, 1854; Issue 9365. "NORTH SHIELDS ----- The ISABELLA, Cunningham, from hence, for Quebec, which had to put into the Orkneys, leaky, discharged 50 tons of coals and repaired damage, and was to leave again on Saturday for North America," ********************************************************************************* [The fact that she was still described as "ISABELLA of Preston" when her wreckage was sighted 9 July 1854 by SPARKLING WAVE from New Orleans, position lat. 30 or 50 (different news accounts), long. 21, was probably due to the recentness of the transfer.] Regards,Adi From: Jackie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2015 4:17 AM Subject: [MAR] Barque Isabella Hello,I am looking for information on the Barque Isabella, from Preston. It's on Captain Edward Byrne's  testimonial as being the ship he was an apprentice on & his seamans ticket said he 1st  went to sea in 1839 as an apprentice. His testimonials & statement of service record him as being on the ship for 5 years & 5 months leaving as chief mate.I'm looking for crew records or apprentice records or anything that will help me research my ancestor. Thanks

Piers beat me to the first part - but here's what I found in any case, including some events that would have been during Byrne's time on board. I suspect that the disappearance from Lloyd's Register is to do with the expiry of the classification following survey in 1842 - she was apparnelty lost in 1854. "The Last Tide" has no specific mention nof the ISABELLA, but has passing mention of the Humber family, who were active in the development of the port of Preston. +++++++++ >From Lloyd's Register ISABELLA - barque 327t old measure; 305t new measure built 1837 at New Brunswick, Canada (of black birch, spruce, pine and hackmatack (a larch species); copper sheathing 1837 Humber & Co, reg Lancaster (master T Rymer) 1841 reg Preston (same owners) 1842 (master Dalton) 1846 (master Berrill) 1848 deleted from LR [1842 classification survey gave "4 years"] annotated: large repairs 1839, 1846, damage repairs 1842 [see below] [Limerick newspaper - c5 December] 1837 The barque Isabella of Preston, Capt Rymer, from Pernambuco for Liveprool, laden with cotton, entered Waterford on Monday night, duiring a dreadful gale. She went aground near Drumroe Bank, a large shoal near Duncannon, where she lay beating in on the sand, the sea flying over her in a truly awful manner. Mr Benjamin Conn, the efficient head of the Pilot establishment at Passage, boarded the vessel, and why they were engaged in clearing away the wreck, the vessel beat over the Bank, and settled into deep water. Nearly fifteen thousand dollars were extricated from the vessel by Mr Conn. Belfast Newslatter, 29 March 1842 Cairnryan, 20 March: Barque ISABELLA (Rymer), Preston for New York, put in here with loss of foretopgallant mast, jib-boom, sails and rigging. Caledonian Mercury (Edinburgh), 7 April 1842 As the barque Isabella, Rymer, was coming into Loch Ryan on the 25th and had shut in Corsewall light, about half a mile from the point of Milleur (west point of the entrance to the loch) she struck adn hung on a sunken rock, and lost her false keel; she was not supposed to have received any other injury; but Mr Rymer, having so many lives in charge (thirty of forty passengers), resolved to proceed for Greenock or Liverpool to have her bottom examined, the wind being from the south-west. The rock on which the barque struck is not laid down in any chart I have seen; it is not in any chart in the shole mof the wind-bound fleet in the loch, not is it laid down in the late Admiralty survey by Commander C G Robinson, 1841. The barque was drawing fifteen feet water. This rock, discovered for the first time in the mouth of the loch, has surprised every body. It must, in fact, have been thrown up by some subterranean commotion, for it was never heard of before, and I can't think a rock of the kind could have escaped discovery in a Loch so well frequented; besides Captain Robinson's survey in 1841 was a most minute one, and if the rock had been there at the time, I think he would have discovered it; it is in the very track for the vessels taking the Loch after coming round the Corswall Point. Preston Guardian, 16 March 1844 Letters were received yesterday from Alexandria in Egypt by Messrs Humber, corn dealers of this town, conveying the intelligence that Captain Dalton of the barque Isabella, there lying in port, had been found dead in his cabin, on the night of the 22nd ult. The British consul had appointed an inquiry to be instituted, it being suspected that he had come to his death by taking laudanum. The same mail brought a letter form the deceased, announcing that he expected to sail from Alexandria on the 25th ult. The unfortunate young man, who was only 25 years of age, was the son of Rev Thomas Dalton, of Angle, near Pembroke. He had been in Messrs Humber's empl oy five years. Liverpool Mercury, 21 July 1854 ISABELLA of Preston, derelict, passed in 30°N 21°W on 9 Jul 1854, floating bottom up (with apparently recent zinc sheathing), apparently run into amidships. +++++++++ David On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:17 AM, Jackie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello,I am looking for information on the Barque Isabella, from Preston. > It's on Captain Edward Byrne's testimonial as being the ship he was an > apprentice on & his seamans ticket said he 1st went to sea in 1839 as an > apprentice. His testimonials & statement of service record him as being on > the ship for 5 years & 5 months leaving as chief mate.I'm looking for crew > records or apprentice records or anything that will help me research my > ancestor. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think I've found her in in Lloyd's Register for 1843 see http://tinyurl.com/nd2a22d Barque Isabella, Master: Dalton, 327 tons, built New Brunswick 1837, registered port of Preston, trading between London and Quebec, owner Humber & ? [presumably others]. Built from Black birch, spruce, pine, and hatmatack. Large repairs 1839, damage repaired and some repairs 1842, appears up to 1848 but has dropped out (or changed name) by 1849. Dalton appears to have been master up to 1848 edition. This doesn't mean she necessarily still existed at that point - it sometimes took a while (years) for news to reach the register. Also appears to have traded to New Brunswick 1843 see http://www.genealogy.restigouche.net/ships.htm You may find references in Lloyds List and other newspapers Googling brings up this reference for Preston as a port: "The Last Tide, A history of the Port of Preston 1806 - 1981 by Jack Darkes" - might be interesting. On 23 July 2015 at 09:17, Jackie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello,I am looking for information on the Barque Isabella, from Preston. > It's on Captain Edward Byrne's testimonial as being the ship he was an > apprentice on & his seamans ticket said he 1st went to sea in 1839 as an > apprentice. His testimonials & statement of service record him as being on > the ship for 5 years & 5 months leaving as chief mate.I'm looking for crew > records or apprentice records or anything that will help me research my > ancestor. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Trying to learn the path the Lemuel Dyer would have taken as it traveled from Portsmouth to New Orleans in late Feb - early March 1848. Have found a newspaper article showing the ship arrived in New Orleans on March 7, 1848 after traveling 26 days from Portland, Maine. Also a different article states that David R Shackford (Listed as Daniel in a newspaper article), about age 6 fell off this ship on Feb 27, 1848 while left in the cabin alone. Thanks for any help you can offer or for guiding me to a place I may be able to find more information. Sources Found So Far: "Arrived Yesterday," The Daily Crescent (New Orleans, Louisianna), 7 March 1848; digital images, Library of Congress Chronicling America (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/ : accessed 16 July 2015) "SUDDEN BEREAVEMENT," Troy Daily Whig (Troy, New York), 13 April 1848; digital images, Fulton History (http://fultonhistory.com/ : accessed 16 July 2015). Joanne Shackford Parkes

Hello,I am looking for information on the Barque Isabella, from Preston. It's on Captain Edward Byrne's testimonial as being the ship he was an apprentice on & his seamans ticket said he 1st went to sea in 1839 as an apprentice. His testimonials & statement of service record him as being on the ship for 5 years & 5 months leaving as chief mate.I'm looking for crew records or apprentice records or anything that will help me research my ancestor. Thanks

Hi, You may try the Archives web site that gives all births, weddings and deaths in Bordeaux Saint Clair since 1833. http://recherche.archivesdepartementales76.net/?id=recherche_guidee_etat_civil_detail&doc=accounts%2Fmnesys_ad76%2Fdatas%2Fir%2Fserie_E_seigneuries_familles_notaires_etat_civil%2FFRAD076_IR_E_etat_civil.xml&page_ref=323755&unittitle=Bordeaux-Saint-Clair&unitid=&unitdate= Good luck Alain Le 22/07/15 12:53, John Gibb via a écrit : > Hi, > His name as given on his 1882 marriage is Gustave Julien Birdwisa, he > could not read or write so this will be a phonetic spelling of his name. > Scottish census records give: > 1901 Name Agustus Birdwisa, French. > 1911 Name Julian Agustus Birdwisa, Normandy France (Br Subj). I cannot find > any evidence that he was a British subject. > His CCOD gives Name Agustas Julian Birdwisa, born 1850 Toronto. CCOD No. > 162967 and covers the period 28/07/1901 to 29/07/1905 all with the Allan > Line. > > Regards & thanks > > John Gibb > > -----Original Message----- > From: elizgh@btinternet.com [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] > Sent: 22 July 2015 10:38 > To: John Gibb; mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Seamans Ticket > > Hi, Discovery National Archives should have > some or all of this , again if you had given us a name ...... > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Gibb via > Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:47 PM > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Seamans Ticket > > I have my great grandfathers Continual Certificate of Discharge book for the > early 1900's. He was at sea long before this, is it possible to get sight of > his previous records from the late nineteenth century? I believe he was > French and first appears in 1882 in Glasgow when he marries, so was here > before that year I would assume. > > Sent from my iPad > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, His name as given on his 1882 marriage is Gustave Julien Birdwisa, he could not read or write so this will be a phonetic spelling of his name. Scottish census records give: 1901 Name Agustus Birdwisa, French. 1911 Name Julian Agustus Birdwisa, Normandy France (Br Subj). I cannot find any evidence that he was a British subject. His CCOD gives Name Agustas Julian Birdwisa, born 1850 Toronto. CCOD No. 162967 and covers the period 28/07/1901 to 29/07/1905 all with the Allan Line. Regards & thanks John Gibb -----Original Message----- From: elizgh@btinternet.com [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: 22 July 2015 10:38 To: John Gibb; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Seamans Ticket Hi, Discovery National Archives should have some or all of this , again if you had given us a name ...... -----Original Message----- From: John Gibb via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:47 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Seamans Ticket I have my great grandfathers Continual Certificate of Discharge book for the early 1900's. He was at sea long before this, is it possible to get sight of his previous records from the late nineteenth century? I believe he was French and first appears in 1882 in Glasgow when he marries, so was here before that year I would assume. Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

With all due respect, if the gun is attached to the ship i.e. is structure and not cargo, it is unlikely to be a howitzer. Depending on mounting and calibre, it could be shore bombardment or AntiAircraft. Multiple guns would suggest Royal Navy rather than Armed Merchantman. Graham On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:26 PM, flaviu via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hello list, > > > > My name is Flaviu and I need information about a ship wrecked near port of > Ashdod, Israel. > > A few month ago started to enlarge the port of Ashdod and needed to > excavate > a ship wrecked a long time ago. > > After a day of excavation found shells on the ship, a Lewis gun and I think > a Howitzer. > > The ship is more than 100 meters long and build with rivets. > > The main structure of the ship is in the middle section of the ship and we > think it is a Liberty Ship. > > > > I will be happy if someone can help me with information about Liberty Ship > that wrecked near port of Ashdod, Israel or Palestine (name of the region > in > the 40th) and of course about the story of wrecking the Sip. > > > > Thanks a lot Flaviu Varga > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Discovery National Archives should have some or all of this , again if you had given us a name ...... -----Original Message----- From: John Gibb via Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 5:47 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Seamans Ticket I have my great grandfathers Continual Certificate of Discharge book for the early 1900's. He was at sea long before this, is it possible to get sight of his previous records from the late nineteenth century? I believe he was French and first appears in 1882 in Glasgow when he marries, so was here before that year I would assume. Sent from my iPad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus