Dear Mariners, I am trying to find any record of the above named gentleman. I have found one reference to him as an O/S,this was for December 1929, the record seems to be some kind of discharge. The record was in the name Neilson, but he also used the name Koch. Do records exist of people who may have Worked their passage abroad? Please forgive ignorance,am new to this. Thank you Debbie Nicholls Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

Aha! This one looks promising. Would your cousin have sat his certificate exam during that period 1910 - 1974? "Information of Radio Officer Examination Results from 1910 to 1974 is currently held at Merseyside Maritime Museum consisting of 118 volumes. These records offer a fascinating insight into the PMG examinations especially the handwritten comments of the examiners. Other Radio Officer Examination Results from 1950 are held at the Association of Marine Radio Colleges (AMERC) national administration centre at Wray Castle College, Ambleside, Cumbria, details are held on cards and ledgers." Regards,Adi

P. S. Bruce, On this site is shown an example of one from 1942.http://www.gordonmumford.com/m-navy/radio-01.htm At that date, they were issued by the Postmaster General. Regards,Adi   From: Bruce Dodd via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 6:52 PM Subject: [MAR] Telegraphers' tickets  ....Can someone suggest, please, where I might look for Radio/Telegraphers' tickets? Assuming, of course, that there are such things, authorized by some (which?) authority. The cousin in question sailed afaik with Union-Castle, London Overseas Freighters, and Sea-Link.

P. S. Bruce, On this site is shown an example of one from 1942.http://www.gordonmumford.com/m-navy/radio-01.htm At that date, they were issued by the Postmaster General. Regards,Adi   From: Bruce Dodd via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 6:52 PM Subject: [MAR] Telegraphers' tickets  ....Can someone suggest, please, where I might look for Radio/Telegraphers' tickets? Assuming, of course, that there are such things, authorized by some (which?) authority. The cousin in question sailed afaik with Union-Castle, London Overseas Freighters, and Sea-Link.

Hello Bruce, I think that what you are looking for is called a "PMG Certificate", but I have no idea of where to find an archive of them. The general Marconi Archives are at the Bodleian Library, University of Oxford and there is an online catalogue here:http://www.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/news/2008/2008_nov_07Perhaps they can tell you where to look. http://www.neswt.co.uk/history.html "The Radio Officer, known to generations of seafarers as ‘Sparks’, was an integral part of life on board ships in the days before satellite communications rendered the job obsolete.  Training Schools for telegraphy at places such as  Bridlington, Brixton, Liverpool and Colwyn Bay, Wray Castle,where students gained their P.M.G. Certificate  (i.e. their ticket to practice). After gaining their qualifications’  the majority joined the Marconi Company who supplied Radio Officers to most of the Merchant  Marine companies, including Trawlers.After the inquiry into the sinking of the RMS Titanic, when the nearby SS Californian did not render her assistance, due to their radio being down for the night, it was ordered that round-the-clock watch had to be maintained on all ships over 1600 Gross Tonnage. Most vessels only carried one radio officer and during the hours he was off-duty, an automatic alarm device monitored the distress frequency. The  Sparks role on the larger Passenger Liners’ was quite demanding requiring them to handle a large amount of passenger communications, to produce news-sheets, sports results etc.Today, Marconi and other independent companies no longer supply Radio Officers to ships at sea. This is due to the  development of satellites. Deck officers are now dual trained as GMDSS (Global Maritime Distress and Safety System) Officers, thereby being able to operate all of the ship's on-board communication systems and ETOs (Electro Technical Officers) are trained to fix and maintain the more complex systems." Regards,Adi   From: Bruce Dodd via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2015 6:52 PM Subject: [MAR] Telegraphers' tickets ... Can someone suggest, please, where I might look for Radio/Telegraphers' tickets? Assuming, of course, that there are such things, authorized by some (which?) authority. The cousin in question sailed afaik with Union-Castle, London Overseas Freighters, and Sea-Link.

Bruce Try Extra Master's tickets: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_mariner There are probably better web pages for this sort of thing, but it gives you a starting point : Paul On Wed, 5 Aug 2015 18:52:16 -0400, Bruce Dodd via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > >My landlubber father used to say that my four seaman uncles had >Extra-Chiefs' tickets. I have never found any on line. Do such things exist, >or is that a fraternal exaggeration? If they do exist, where might I find >and download images of them? > > 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Just a few extra things about ballast. At ports with tidal rivers there were very specific rules about where you could discharge ballast of stones, etc. The mudbanks exposed at low tide, the 'layer', where a sailing vessel would come to rest as the tide ebbed, was a valuable resource for the port, and the 'layer keeper' would not want any old stones or shingle dumped in it, so masters could be prosecuted for dumping ballast in the wrong place. Some ports had specific places where ballast was discharged - at Cardiff for example there was the 'ballast bank'. This ballast could then be used by contractors for the port authorities, along with domestic refuse, dredged silt and anything else to hand, to provide the 'made ground' for docks that were built out from the old shoreline into fairly shallow tidal waters. Ballast could also be used for creating or improving sea walls, or infilling behind masonry defences against the sea. The use of stone as ballast is one reason why on some seaside beaches which were at one time used for trade pebbles turn up that are totally different in character from the local geology. Different countries and different times may have had different usage, but in the 'Cambrian' newspaper in Swansea in the 1870s and 1880s, which I am familiar with, incoming vessels often showed where they came from,what the cargo was, the weight, and who it was to be delivered to. Outgoing vessels would show the destination, vessel name, sometimes the master, tonnage, nationality, sometimes the cargo and the shipping agent. If the cargo was not listed it was probably coal. For example http://newspapers.library.wales/view/3336162/3336170/58/poingdestre where I searched for one of the leading coal exporters in the port at the time, Poingdestre & Mesnier. If you have a curious nature and want to look at that article, look at the cargo brought in by the 'Salvatore' from Genoa on March 1st 1882, the last vessel named in 'imports'. Incidentally, in that newspaper at that time, 's' was the abbreviation for 'steamer'. Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "rosalindthefair via" <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 04, 2015 4:27 PM Subject: [MAR] Re newspaper terminology > > Hi > > Yes, ballast means a ship with no cargo but something very cheap and heavy > so that she could be sailed to wherever there was cargo. It is odd to > think that iron (not sure in what form) was once used as ballast in ships > returning to Newcastle, having taken coals to London! That was how my gt > gt gt grandfather started in the iron trade- someone thought "we could do > something with all this", and did. Actually, there's a great story behind > this but it is to do with iron, not ships! > > Sand, stones.....ballast material. > > Yes ships often had the same name. If you look up Lloyds Register on Line, > (sorry can never remember if it is of shipping or of ships) and type , say > "Ann" or "Mary Jane" in the search box, you will see there are lots. When > I was researching "my" captain, his ship the Tornado left Liverpool about > the same time as another ship of the same name, both with emigrants for > Australia. There the similarity ends, no-one got hurt on the first one. > > I am not confident about the answers to the other questions, though I > would think Mr Forbes owned the slaves and shingles. > > Clare, Oxford UK > > > -----Original Message----- > From: mariners-request <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> > To: mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 8:10 > Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 121 > > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Newspaper terminology (Barbara A. > Brown) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: > 1 > Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 02:30:02 +0000 (UTC) > From: "Barbara A. Brown" > <babrown12@yahoo.com> > Subject: [MAR] Newspaper terminology > To: > "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" > <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1557430415.142871.1438655402400.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: > text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > ? I am looking for news of a certain ship, and I > have encountered some language I don't understand. > newspaper reports of ship > news seem to have the same format [ e.g. Schooner Ceres, Tarbox, > cleared...][ > schr Ceres, Wheldon arrived ..] . I'm guessing that the word after the > ship name > is the Captain's name. Is that right? > How common was it to have three different > captains within two months - or to have Capt. A followed by capts. B & C > and > then back to Captain A? > > this one has me confused: > "10feb 1827 - eliz city - > arrived 3rd?schooner ceres ?Pearson, 20 days from mobile, in ballast" does > 'in > ballast' mean that there was no cargo? > "24 feb 1827 Elizabeth City cleared, > 20th schooner Ceres, Wheldon, for guadeloupe, slaves and shingles by A. > Forbes, > jr"is A Forbes, jr the guy who is shipping the slaves and shingles, or is > he the > guy to whom they are delivered, or something else? > lastly - I'm guessing that > ships could have the same name as another ship?[ I have two reports of > schooner > ceres sinking - decades apart...] > Thank > you. >

Hi, Listers Hi, Listers In tracking on-line my more recent (though late) ancestors' data I've found Masters' and Mates' tickets at The National Archives (UK), and (thanks to a lady on this list) Engineers' tickets hiding in the Maritime Museum at Greenwich. Can someone suggest, please, where I might look for Radio/Telegraphers' tickets? Assuming, of course, that there are such things, authorized by some (which?) authority. The cousin in question sailed afaik with Union-Castle, London Overseas Freighters, and Sea-Link. My landlubber father used to say that my four seaman uncles had Extra-Chiefs' tickets. I have never found any on line. Do such things exist, or is that a fraternal exaggeration? If they do exist, where might I find and download images of them? Thank you. Bruce Dodd Becoming a grease-spot in Ottawa

Barbara, Sorry, can't contribute over much on the substance of your enquiry, but hope the following comments help. Yes, "in ballast" meant she was carry no cargo. She would have discharged her previous cargo in Mobile and then travelled light (in ballast) to Elizabeth City to pick up her next cargo. Yes, as far as I am aware, the word after the ship name is the captain's. Many old Lloyd's Registers are online at: http://www.lr.org/en/research-and-innovation/historical-information/lloyds-register-of-ships-online/ I've had a quick look at the 1826, 1827, and 1828 registers. Bear in mind that in those days information would take some time to be submitted and then recorded in the annual register, so entries could be out-of-date before they were even published. You need to scroll through the pages that show up (the search facility produces a nil return!). Unfortunately, as you probably guessed, CERES was a common name for a ship at the time. There look to have been almost 50 vessels with that name, many under the British flag. About 8 of them are classified as schooners, 6 of them British. However, none of the captain names you have show up for any of these years, so this does not help identify the CERES in question. I've noted ships of the same name are recorded in alphabetical order according to the then current name of the captain! Maybe another of our members will be better able to help with the specifics of your actual ship? Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 04/08/2015 03:30, Barbara A. Brown via wrote: > I am looking for news of a certain ship, and I have encountered some language I don't understand. > newspaper reports of ship news seem to have the same format [ e.g. Schooner Ceres, Tarbox, cleared...][ schr Ceres, Wheldon arrived ..] . I'm guessing that the word after the ship name is the Captain's name. Is that right? > How common was it to have three different captains within two months - or to have Capt. A followed by capts. B & C and then back to Captain A? > > this one has me confused: > "10feb 1827 - eliz city - arrived 3rd schooner ceres Pearson, 20 days from mobile, in ballast" does 'in ballast' mean that there was no cargo? > "24 feb 1827 Elizabeth City cleared, 20th schooner Ceres, Wheldon, for guadeloupe, slaves and shingles by A. Forbes, jr"is A Forbes, jr the guy who is shipping the slaves and shingles, or is he the guy to whom they are delivered, or something else? > lastly - I'm guessing that ships could have the same name as another ship?[ I have two reports of schooner ceres sinking - decades apart...] > Thank you. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Yes, ballast means a ship with no cargo but something very cheap and heavy so that she could be sailed to wherever there was cargo. It is odd to think that iron (not sure in what form) was once used as ballast in ships returning to Newcastle, having taken coals to London! That was how my gt gt gt grandfather started in the iron trade- someone thought "we could do something with all this", and did. Actually, there's a great story behind this but it is to do with iron, not ships! Sand, stones.....ballast material. Yes ships often had the same name. If you look up Lloyds Register on Line, (sorry can never remember if it is of shipping or of ships) and type , say "Ann" or "Mary Jane" in the search box, you will see there are lots. When I was researching "my" captain, his ship the Tornado left Liverpool about the same time as another ship of the same name, both with emigrants for Australia. There the similarity ends, no-one got hurt on the first one. I am not confident about the answers to the other questions, though I would think Mr Forbes owned the slaves and shingles. Clare, Oxford UK -----Original Message----- From: mariners-request <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> To: mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 8:10 Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 121 Today's Topics: 1. Newspaper terminology (Barbara A. Brown) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2015 02:30:02 +0000 (UTC) From: "Barbara A. Brown" <babrown12@yahoo.com> Subject: [MAR] Newspaper terminology To: "MARINERS@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1557430415.142871.1438655402400.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 ? I am looking for news of a certain ship, and I have encountered some language I don't understand. newspaper reports of ship news seem to have the same format [ e.g. Schooner Ceres, Tarbox, cleared...][ schr Ceres, Wheldon arrived ..] . I'm guessing that the word after the ship name is the Captain's name. Is that right? How common was it to have three different captains within two months - or to have Capt. A followed by capts. B & C and then back to Captain A? this one has me confused: "10feb 1827 - eliz city - arrived 3rd?schooner ceres ?Pearson, 20 days from mobile, in ballast" does 'in ballast' mean that there was no cargo? "24 feb 1827 Elizabeth City cleared, 20th schooner Ceres, Wheldon, for guadeloupe, slaves and shingles by A. Forbes, jr"is A Forbes, jr the guy who is shipping the slaves and shingles, or is he the guy to whom they are delivered, or something else? lastly - I'm guessing that ships could have the same name as another ship?[ I have two reports of schooner ceres sinking - decades apart...] Thank you. ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 10, Issue 121 *****************************************

  I am looking for news of a certain ship, and I have encountered some language I don't understand. newspaper reports of ship news seem to have the same format [ e.g. Schooner Ceres, Tarbox, cleared...][ schr Ceres, Wheldon arrived ..] . I'm guessing that the word after the ship name is the Captain's name. Is that right? How common was it to have three different captains within two months - or to have Capt. A followed by capts. B & C and then back to Captain A? this one has me confused: "10feb 1827 - eliz city - arrived 3rd schooner ceres  Pearson, 20 days from mobile, in ballast" does 'in ballast' mean that there was no cargo? "24 feb 1827 Elizabeth City cleared, 20th schooner Ceres, Wheldon, for guadeloupe, slaves and shingles by A. Forbes, jr"is A Forbes, jr the guy who is shipping the slaves and shingles, or is he the guy to whom they are delivered, or something else? lastly - I'm guessing that ships could have the same name as another ship?[ I have two reports of schooner ceres sinking - decades apart...] Thank you.

Thanks David! Albie From: David Asprey [mailto:davidjasprey@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:04 PM To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Terminology and understanding Looks as if East London itself was the desination. Reported passing Deal 6 Jul 1874 for East London. also reported at East London 27/11, putting out to sea. David On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi All, I need some help in my effort to summarise the outcome of a court of inquiry about the wrecked "James Gibson" O/N 19881 barque, near East London, South Africa on the 6th of December 1874. I will be grateful for an explanation of what happened here in laymen's language: 1. Louis Klein reports that while they were in the boat running the "surf lines" the "James Gibson" broke adrift (anchor stock missing).They missed the "Lighter" and let go of the surf line and apparently joined a passing ship. ( surf lines and Lighter?) 2. It seems that the "James Gibson" to be en route from London but I cannot find the intended destination in the British Paper archives. Any advice where I can search for this information? Regards, Albie Gibson, South Africa ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much Paul it now makes perfect sense to me. The Paperwork of the inquiry in East London from 4 witnesses is 51 handwritten pages that I have worked through and your interpretation fits in well. Regards, Albie -----Original Message----- From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 2:48 PM To: Albie; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Terminology and understanding Albie I think it might have been easier to answer the questions if we had the full context in which the words were used, But FWIW here goes .......I understand that the "James Gibson" grounded, and like so many vessels which have come ashore on that coast couldn't be refloated and was lost. I would hazard a guess that the lighter in question, taking into account the fact that the "James Gibson" broke adrift, was a small simple vessel being used to transfer cargo from the ship to shore or vice versa ; lighters vary in shape and size around the world depending on the cargo being moved, and the waters in which it is being operated ! My understanding of the surf line is just that ie the line in the water, fairly close in shore, where the water is churned up by breaking waves which create the surf ? and I imagine that, in order not to be overcome by the heavy surf that often comes up on those beaches, and perhaps drown, they let go "on" the surf line of what ever they were tied to, presumably the "James Gibson," as it came ashore ? and were thus able to get back out to sea and join a passing ship ? You see why it would be easier if we had the full story...I wouldn't be guessing what might have happened! Other interpretations welcome ;-) Paul On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:43:06 +0200, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hi All, > >I need some help in my effort to summarise the outcome of a court of >inquiry about the wrecked "James Gibson" O/N 19881 barque, near East >London, South Africa on the 6th of December 1874. I will be grateful >for an explanation of what happened here in laymen's language: > > > >1. Louis Klein reports that while they were in the boat running the "surf >lines" the "James Gibson" broke adrift (anchor stock missing).They >missed the "Lighter" and let go of the surf line and apparently joined >a passing ship. ( surf lines and Lighter?) > >2. It seems that the "James Gibson" to be en route from London but I >cannot find the intended destination in the British Paper archives. Any >advice where I can search for this information? > > > >Regards, > >Albie Gibson, South Africa > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Thank you to Paul, Piers, David & Pat for the information and insights into the voyage of the JOHN AND LUCY in 185. This has all proved very interesting and relevant and I will continue to research. The "Log of Logs", which I have not come across before, will be especially useful. Many thanks Lynden -----Original Message----- From: Paul Benyon [mailto:pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com] Sent: 29 July 2015 17:06 To: Hughes, Lynden M; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Ship JOHN AND LUCY : 1854 Hi Lynden You are still in the period when the Trade Winds decided the route to be taken by a sailing vessel, so was probably to the east coast of South America, occasionally via Madeira, or the Western Isles as they were sometimes known, then onwards for water and provisions, the port, e.g. Pernambuco, Bahia, or Rio, perhaps depending on the time of the year and whether fever was a problem, or not, such news often being picked up from other vessels spoken with en route. Your vessel doesn't appear to have been on a government subsidised voyage, so presumably, whether passengers would have been embarked en route would depend on the instructions given to the Master by the ship's owners. Whilst a course was steered for many years via the Cape of Good Hope, by this date most vessels, after leaving the port on the East Coast of S America, or giving it a miss altogether, would have sailed down into the upper reaches of the Roaring Forties, on what was known as the Great circle route, picking up the westerly trades, as they headed for the Antipodean ports, thus, not only reducing the distance travelled, but picking up stronger and more predictable winds, usually reducing the earlier passage times, via the Cape of Good Hope, by as much as a month or more : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Forties Regards Paul On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:05:05 +0100, Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com, Lynden M via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Can anyone tell me the route that the 'John And Lucy' would have taken from Liverpool to Australia in 1854? She left Liverpool 9 June 1854 and arrived Port Phillip on 13 September 1854. I understand she carried 494 passengers and also a cargo of books and lime. > >I really want to know if she would have stopped en route and picked up more passengers? > >Thanks for any help. >Lynden > >West Sussex, UK > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Albie I think it might have been easier to answer the questions if we had the full context in which the words were used, But FWIW here goes .......I understand that the "James Gibson" grounded, and like so many vessels which have come ashore on that coast couldn't be refloated and was lost. I would hazard a guess that the lighter in question, taking into account the fact that the "James Gibson" broke adrift, was a small simple vessel being used to transfer cargo from the ship to shore or vice versa ; lighters vary in shape and size around the world depending on the cargo being moved, and the waters in which it is being operated ! My understanding of the surf line is just that ie the line in the water, fairly close in shore, where the water is churned up by breaking waves which create the surf ? and I imagine that, in order not to be overcome by the heavy surf that often comes up on those beaches, and perhaps drown, they let go "on" the surf line of what ever they were tied to, presumably the "James Gibson," as it came ashore ? and were thus able to get back out to sea and join a passing ship ? You see why it would be easier if we had the full story...I wouldn't be guessing what might have happened! Other interpretations welcome ;-) Paul On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:43:06 +0200, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Hi All, > >I need some help in my effort to summarise the outcome of a court of inquiry >about the wrecked "James Gibson" O/N 19881 barque, near East London, South >Africa on the 6th of December 1874. I will be grateful for an explanation of >what happened here in laymen's language: > > > >1. Louis Klein reports that while they were in the boat running the "surf >lines" the "James Gibson" broke adrift (anchor stock missing).They missed >the "Lighter" and let go of the surf line and apparently joined a passing >ship. ( surf lines and Lighter?) > >2. It seems that the "James Gibson" to be en route from London but I >cannot find the intended destination in the British Paper archives. Any >advice where I can search for this information? > > > >Regards, > >Albie Gibson, South Africa > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Looks as if East London itself was the desination. Reported passing Deal 6 Jul 1874 for East London. also reported at East London 27/11, putting out to sea. David On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Albie via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > I need some help in my effort to summarise the outcome of a court of > inquiry > about the wrecked "James Gibson" O/N 19881 barque, near East London, South > Africa on the 6th of December 1874. I will be grateful for an explanation > of > what happened here in laymen's language: > > > > 1. Louis Klein reports that while they were in the boat running the > "surf > lines" the "James Gibson" broke adrift (anchor stock missing).They missed > the "Lighter" and let go of the surf line and apparently joined a passing > ship. ( surf lines and Lighter?) > > 2. It seems that the "James Gibson" to be en route from London but I > cannot find the intended destination in the British Paper archives. Any > advice where I can search for this information? > > > > Regards, > > Albie Gibson, South Africa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, I need some help in my effort to summarise the outcome of a court of inquiry about the wrecked "James Gibson" O/N 19881 barque, near East London, South Africa on the 6th of December 1874. I will be grateful for an explanation of what happened here in laymen's language: 1. Louis Klein reports that while they were in the boat running the "surf lines" the "James Gibson" broke adrift (anchor stock missing).They missed the "Lighter" and let go of the surf line and apparently joined a passing ship. ( surf lines and Lighter?) 2. It seems that the "James Gibson" to be en route from London but I cannot find the intended destination in the British Paper archives. Any advice where I can search for this information? Regards, Albie Gibson, South Africa

Hi Lynden, All I really know is when my grandparents William & Sarah Hughes came out from Blaenau Ffestiniog Wales to Australia to live they came via Africia as they stopped in Capetown in 1915. Sorry I can't help with any more information as that is all I know my grandparents died many years ago. All I have is alot of postcards and letters from Wales. I have been over to the UK many times and I have met some of my grandfathers relatives which has filled in a few holes in my Family Tree. Let me know if you need some help from Australia. Pat -------------------------------------------------- From: <Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com>; "Lynden M via" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 9:05 PM To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Subject: [MAR] Ship JOHN AND LUCY : 1854 > Can anyone tell me the route that the 'John And Lucy' would have taken > from Liverpool to Australia in 1854? She left Liverpool 9 June 1854 and > arrived Port Phillip on 13 September 1854. I understand she carried 494 > passengers and also a cargo of books and lime. > > I really want to know if she would have stopped en route and picked up > more passengers? > > Thanks for any help. > Lynden > > West Sussex, UK > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Lynden You are still in the period when the Trade Winds decided the route to be taken by a sailing vessel, so was probably to the east coast of South America, occasionally via Madeira, or the Western Isles as they were sometimes known, then onwards for water and provisions, the port, e.g. Pernambuco, Bahia, or Rio, perhaps depending on the time of the year and whether fever was a problem, or not, such news often being picked up from other vessels spoken with en route. Your vessel doesn't appear to have been on a government subsidised voyage, so presumably, whether passengers would have been embarked en route would depend on the instructions given to the Master by the ship's owners. Whilst a course was steered for many years via the Cape of Good Hope, by this date most vessels, after leaving the port on the East Coast of S America, or giving it a miss altogether, would have sailed down into the upper reaches of the Roaring Forties, on what was known as the Great circle route, picking up the westerly trades, as they headed for the Antipodean ports, thus, not only reducing the distance travelled, but picking up stronger and more predictable winds, usually reducing the earlier passage times, via the Cape of Good Hope, by as much as a month or more : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roaring_Forties Regards Paul On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:05:05 +0100, Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com, Lynden M via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: >Can anyone tell me the route that the 'John And Lucy' would have taken from Liverpool to Australia in 1854? She left Liverpool 9 June 1854 and arrived Port Phillip on 13 September 1854. I understand she carried 494 passengers and also a cargo of books and lime. > >I really want to know if she would have stopped en route and picked up more passengers? > >Thanks for any help. >Lynden > >West Sussex, UK > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Tibits from 1854 newspaper reports: 9/6 sailed Liverpool 11/6 seen off Bardsey, West Wales 1/7 seen in 13°N 26°W On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:05 PM, <Hughes@lists2.rootsweb.com> wrote: > Can anyone tell me the route that the 'John And Lucy' would have taken > from Liverpool to Australia in 1854? She left Liverpool 9 June 1854 and > arrived Port Phillip on 13 September 1854. I understand she carried 494 > passengers and also a cargo of books and lime. > > I really want to know if she would have stopped en route and picked up > more passengers? > > Thanks for any help. > Lynden > > West Sussex, UK > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >