Hi, I think this is tiresome to lob half an archive onto Ancestry . I have my grandfather`s 2nd and 1st mate certificates but would be interested to see when he was apprenticed .........and to whom . but nothing appears. -----Original Message----- From: John Goold via Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:32 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] New Apprentice Indenture index I would also suggest the new record on Ancestry is far from complete.I have two apprentices and neither appears in the index . ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Most likely the battlecruiser HMS PRINCESS ROYAL which was in home waters at that time, a ship with a much bigger crew. You are correct about EXCELLENT, she was the RN's shore gunnery training base. John -----Original Message----- From: David Asprey via Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 7:17 AM To: Angharad Holmes ; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Deciphering a Naval record For HMS PRINCESS (1915-1917) see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Kronprinzessin_Cecilie_(1905) David On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Angharad Holmes via <mariners@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one > thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if > someone on here can throw any light on it for me! > > He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, > then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. > > In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub > Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I > believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS > Princess. (? Princess Royal). > > In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and > “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. > This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make > out the scribbled note on his record that says why. > > In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out > on various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed > off Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. > > He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the > Atlantic. > > My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". > > I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought > you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to > serve in the RN for the duration of the war. > > By the way - he was colour blind! > > In anticipation > > Angharad > > > > Angharad Holmes > angharadholmes@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would also suggest the new record on Ancestry is far from complete.I have two apprentices and neither appears in the index .

I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if someone on here can throw any light on it for me! He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS Princess. (? Princess Royal). In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make out the scribbled note on his record that says why. In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out on various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed off Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to serve in the RN for the duration of the war. By the way - he was colour blind! In anticipation Angharad Angharad Holmes angharadholmes@aol.com

It looks as if they have not yet finished attaching images. I found an image for a possible relative's indenture dated 1861, but the image attached to several other later finds seemed to be a generic placeholder. Can anyone give me a possible identification of a merchant vessel called the 'Nereid' which might have signed on an apprentice in Cardiff in 1861? Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nivard Ovington via" <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: "David Railton" <railton.david@btinternet.com>; <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 10:12 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] New data on Ancestry Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy 1824 to 1910 > Hi David > > Easiest way is from the homepage, see all new records, its the first in > the menu > > Or in the card catalogue, search for Title Apprentices, the new one is > the third if three hits > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > On 07/08/2015 22:07, David Railton wrote: >> Nivard, >> >> Could you please tell me where I can find these records on Ancestry. I >> have >> tried searching the card index on the title you gave and also on >> 'Merchant >> Navy' and on 'Apprentices' but I can't find these records. >> >> David Railton > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Jackie Release date is given as Yesterday (so 6th Aug) I can't tell you on the ticket number but perhaps someone else can Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/08/2015 22:07, Jackie wrote: > Have these just been released this week? I've been itching to search for my relative in these. Would they have the same "ticket no" then that they had later on? > > Jaki

Hi David Easiest way is from the homepage, see all new records, its the first in the menu Or in the card catalogue, search for Title Apprentices, the new one is the third if three hits Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/08/2015 22:07, David Railton wrote: > Nivard, > > Could you please tell me where I can find these records on Ancestry. I have > tried searching the card index on the title you gave and also on 'Merchant > Navy' and on 'Apprentices' but I can't find these records. > > David Railton

Nivard, Could you please tell me where I can find these records on Ancestry. I have tried searching the card index on the title you gave and also on 'Merchant Navy' and on 'Apprentices' but I can't find these records. David Railton -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Nivard Ovington via Sent: 07 August 2015 21:37 To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] New data on Ancestry Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy 1824 to 1910 About UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910 This collection contains lists of young men who were indentured to merchant navy ships between the years 1824 and 1910. They include details such as name, age and date at registration or indenture, vessel, port of registry, and birth year and place. Historical Background The National Archives describes the legislation that brought these records about: Under the Merchant Seamen, etc, Act 1823 (4 Geo IV c 25) Masters of British merchant ships of 80 tons and over were required to carry a given number of indentured apprentices. These had to be duly enrolled with the local Customs Officer. These provisions were extended by the Merchant Seamen Act 1835 (5 & 6 Wm IV c 19) which provided for the registration of these indentures. In London they were registered with the General Register and Record Office of Seamen and in other ports with the Customs officers who were required to submit quarterly lists to the Registrar General. In 1844 it was provided for copies of the indentures to be sent to the Registrar General, and although compulsory apprenticeship was abolished in 1849 the system of registration was maintained. Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1894 (57 & 58 Vict c 60) a parallel arrangement was introduced for apprentices on fishing boats. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have these just been released this week? I've been itching to search for my relative in these. Would they have the same "ticket no" then that they had later on? Jaki > On 7 Aug 2015, at 21:41, Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > About UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910 > > This collection contains lists of young men who were indentured to > merchant navy ships between the years 1824 and 1910. They include > details such as name, age and date at registration or indenture, vessel, > port of registry, and birth year and place. > > Historical Background > > The National Archives describes the legislation that brought these > records about: > > Under the Merchant Seamen, etc, Act 1823 (4 Geo IV c 25) Masters of > British merchant ships of 80 tons and over were required to carry a > given number of indentured apprentices. These had to be duly enrolled > with the local Customs Officer. These provisions were extended by the > Merchant Seamen Act 1835 (5 & 6 Wm IV c 19) which provided for the > registration of these indentures. In London they were registered with > the General Register and Record Office of Seamen and in other ports with > the Customs officers who were required to submit quarterly lists to the > Registrar General. In 1844 it was provided for copies of the indentures > to be sent to the Registrar General, and although compulsory > apprenticeship was abolished in 1849 the system of registration was > maintained. Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1894 (57 & 58 Vict c 60) a > parallel arrangement was introduced for apprentices on fishing boats. > > > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

About UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910 This collection contains lists of young men who were indentured to merchant navy ships between the years 1824 and 1910. They include details such as name, age and date at registration or indenture, vessel, port of registry, and birth year and place. Historical Background The National Archives describes the legislation that brought these records about: Under the Merchant Seamen, etc, Act 1823 (4 Geo IV c 25) Masters of British merchant ships of 80 tons and over were required to carry a given number of indentured apprentices. These had to be duly enrolled with the local Customs Officer. These provisions were extended by the Merchant Seamen Act 1835 (5 & 6 Wm IV c 19) which provided for the registration of these indentures. In London they were registered with the General Register and Record Office of Seamen and in other ports with the Customs officers who were required to submit quarterly lists to the Registrar General. In 1844 it was provided for copies of the indentures to be sent to the Registrar General, and although compulsory apprenticeship was abolished in 1849 the system of registration was maintained. Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1894 (57 & 58 Vict c 60) a parallel arrangement was introduced for apprentices on fishing boats. -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Technically, the allies were no longer at war except with the newly born Soviet Russia but, I agree, there was still some censorship. The Empress of Japan ran out of coal owing to bad weather and stranded near Yokohama more likely at low tide. However, the incident was minor and she succeeded in getting off without assistance. This has been shortly related in The Singapore Free Press And Mercantile Advertiser on january 7, 1919 following an information from The Japan Chronicle. I am looking after informations regarding her passengers. My Great Father was probably aboard. Best regards Alain Le 07/08/15 15:59, Paul Benyon via a écrit : > I think that you'll probably find that British Newspapers were still > subject to censorship, since, at least technically, we were still at > war at this date and details of such events were rarely published at > the time, or at least until much later, when it would have ceased to > be newsworthy or of military interest.....ie as in this case, when it > would appear that the vessel was refloated : the list archives suggest > that she ran out of coal : strange that they didn't drop an anchor or > two until help arrived.....she would presumably have had wireless by > this date, unless the loss of power ruled out that option ? > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2012-11/1352489985 > > Paul > > On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:47:19 +0100, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > wrote: > >> Hi, I have checked the >> Britishnewspaperarchive and can see no report of the stranding ...by March >> 1919 she is on her usual route ......would the Canadian Pacific company have >> any archives ? There should at least have been an enquiry ? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: alain delbarre via >> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:32 AM >> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [MAR] December 13, 1918, the Empress of Japan stranded near >> Yokohama >> >> Hello, >> >> On december 13, 1918 the Empress of Japan of the Canadian Pacific >> Company stranded near Yokohama when in route from Victoria to Hong Kong. >> The event was related in english written Japanese newspapers (Japan >> Chronicle and probably Japan Times). >> >> The Japan Times recently released its 1897-2010 archives (I suppose the >> Japan Chronicle archives have also been released). Unfortunately, they >> appear to be only available in public institutions (mostly US) I am not >> in contact with. >> >> Has anybody access to these archives? >> >> I am interested in any informations regarding this stranding and the >> ship on this particular trip (passengers list, stopping places...). >> >> I thank you in advance. >> >> Best regards. >> >> Alain >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> --- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> https://www.avast.com/antivirus >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W > http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I think that you'll probably find that British Newspapers were still subject to censorship, since, at least technically, we were still at war at this date and details of such events were rarely published at the time, or at least until much later, when it would have ceased to be newsworthy or of military interest.....ie as in this case, when it would appear that the vessel was refloated : the list archives suggest that she ran out of coal : strange that they didn't drop an anchor or two until help arrived.....she would presumably have had wireless by this date, unless the loss of power ruled out that option ? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2012-11/1352489985 Paul On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:47:19 +0100, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, I have checked the >Britishnewspaperarchive and can see no report of the stranding ...by March >1919 she is on her usual route ......would the Canadian Pacific company have >any archives ? There should at least have been an enquiry ? > >-----Original Message----- >From: alain delbarre via >Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:32 AM >To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MAR] December 13, 1918, the Empress of Japan stranded near >Yokohama > >Hello, > >On december 13, 1918 the Empress of Japan of the Canadian Pacific >Company stranded near Yokohama when in route from Victoria to Hong Kong. >The event was related in english written Japanese newspapers (Japan >Chronicle and probably Japan Times). > >The Japan Times recently released its 1897-2010 archives (I suppose the >Japan Chronicle archives have also been released). Unfortunately, they >appear to be only available in public institutions (mostly US) I am not >in contact with. > >Has anybody access to these archives? > >I am interested in any informations regarding this stranding and the >ship on this particular trip (passengers list, stopping places...). > >I thank you in advance. > >Best regards. > >Alain > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Just to cross one possible source off the list, the 1981 edition of George Musk's "Canadian Pacific", which I believe was the last edition, did not mention the incident. I believe that the CPR archives are now in Calgary. John -----Original Message----- From: Paul Benyon via Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 9:59 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] December 13, 1918,the Empress of Japan stranded near Yokohama I think that you'll probably find that British Newspapers were still subject to censorship, since, at least technically, we were still at war at this date and details of such events were rarely published at the time, or at least until much later, when it would have ceased to be newsworthy or of military interest.....ie as in this case, when it would appear that the vessel was refloated : the list archives suggest that she ran out of coal : strange that they didn't drop an anchor or two until help arrived.....she would presumably have had wireless by this date, unless the loss of power ruled out that option ? http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/MARINERS/2012-11/1352489985 Paul On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 14:47:19 +0100, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, I have checked the >Britishnewspaperarchive and can see no report of the stranding ...by March >1919 she is on her usual route ......would the Canadian Pacific company >have >any archives ? There should at least have been an enquiry ? > >-----Original Message----- >From: alain delbarre via >Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:32 AM >To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MAR] December 13, 1918, the Empress of Japan stranded near >Yokohama > >Hello, > >On december 13, 1918 the Empress of Japan of the Canadian Pacific >Company stranded near Yokohama when in route from Victoria to Hong Kong. >The event was related in english written Japanese newspapers (Japan >Chronicle and probably Japan Times). > >The Japan Times recently released its 1897-2010 archives (I suppose the >Japan Chronicle archives have also been released). Unfortunately, they >appear to be only available in public institutions (mostly US) I am not >in contact with. > >Has anybody access to these archives? > >I am interested in any informations regarding this stranding and the >ship on this particular trip (passengers list, stopping places...). > >I thank you in advance. > >Best regards. > >Alain > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes >in the subject and the body of the message > > >--- >This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone know what the fate of the ship "Anna Kimball" was?    John

Graham -suspect that it is SIGLION 67600dwt UK-flag bulk carrier, built by Cammell Laird, Birkenhead in 1966. Built for British offshoot of Sig. Bergesen DY Co, Oslo >From 1971 BERGE SIGLION > YALTA > AEOLOS C > ASTRON Scrapped.1986 http://media.photobucket.com/user/pioneer_2008/media/Siglion.jpg.html http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20S/slides/Siglion-01.jpg David Asprey On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 6:52 PM, graham via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi All, > > Just purchased a second hand book on Maths for Marine Engineers (reprinted > 1965), inside of the cover is stamped m/s "Siclion". > Have tried looking for info on the net but so far nothing, anybody now > anything about the ship? > > Regards, > > Graham > > Neath > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi All, Just purchased a second hand book on Maths for Marine Engineers (reprinted 1965), inside of the cover is stamped m/s "Siclion". Have tried looking for info on the net but so far nothing, anybody now anything about the ship? Regards, Graham Neath --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello Graham, Could SICLION be a typo for SICILIAN? Regards,Adi   From: graham via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2015 1:52 PM Subject: [MAR] m/s "Siclion" Hi All, Just purchased a second hand book on Maths for Marine Engineers (reprinted 1965), inside of the cover is stamped m/s "Siclion". Have tried looking for info on the net but so far nothing, anybody now anything about the ship? Regards, Graham Neath --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, The Empress of Japan went ashore near Yokohama after running out of coal on december 13, 1918. At flood tide, she succeeded in getting off by herself with no damage and sailed into the next harbour before resuming her trip to Hong Kong. I have not tried the CPC archives (not easy from France especially as the Company changed owners many times since 1918 ). At this moment, I do not need a full inquiry. A newspaper article might be sufficient. Best regards Alain Le 06/08/15 15:47, elizgh@btinternet.com a écrit : > Hi, I have checked the > Britishnewspaperarchive and can see no report of the stranding ...by > March 1919 she is on her usual route ......would the Canadian Pacific > company have any archives ? There should at least have been an > enquiry ? > > -----Original Message----- From: alain delbarre via > Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:32 AM > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] December 13, 1918, the Empress of Japan stranded near > Yokohama > > Hello, > > On december 13, 1918 the Empress of Japan of the Canadian Pacific > Company stranded near Yokohama when in route from Victoria to Hong Kong. > The event was related in english written Japanese newspapers (Japan > Chronicle and probably Japan Times). > > The Japan Times recently released its 1897-2010 archives (I suppose the > Japan Chronicle archives have also been released). Unfortunately, they > appear to be only available in public institutions (mostly US) I am not > in contact with. > > Has anybody access to these archives? > > I am interested in any informations regarding this stranding and the > ship on this particular trip (passengers list, stopping places...). > > I thank you in advance. > > Best regards. > > Alain > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus >

Hi, I have checked the Britishnewspaperarchive and can see no report of the stranding ...by March 1919 she is on her usual route ......would the Canadian Pacific company have any archives ? There should at least have been an enquiry ? -----Original Message----- From: alain delbarre via Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 10:32 AM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] December 13, 1918, the Empress of Japan stranded near Yokohama Hello, On december 13, 1918 the Empress of Japan of the Canadian Pacific Company stranded near Yokohama when in route from Victoria to Hong Kong. The event was related in english written Japanese newspapers (Japan Chronicle and probably Japan Times). The Japan Times recently released its 1897-2010 archives (I suppose the Japan Chronicle archives have also been released). Unfortunately, they appear to be only available in public institutions (mostly US) I am not in contact with. Has anybody access to these archives? I am interested in any informations regarding this stranding and the ship on this particular trip (passengers list, stopping places...). I thank you in advance. Best regards. Alain ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hello, On december 13, 1918 the Empress of Japan of the Canadian Pacific Company stranded near Yokohama when in route from Victoria to Hong Kong. The event was related in english written Japanese newspapers (Japan Chronicle and probably Japan Times). The Japan Times recently released its 1897-2010 archives (I suppose the Japan Chronicle archives have also been released). Unfortunately, they appear to be only available in public institutions (mostly US) I am not in contact with. Has anybody access to these archives? I am interested in any informations regarding this stranding and the ship on this particular trip (passengers list, stopping places...). I thank you in advance. Best regards. Alain