I have just found the apprenticeship registration details of a relative I'm researching in UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910. My question relates to the contents of the remarks column which just has a number. Looking at the remarks assigned to others in the register seems to indicate the numbers are in the range from 1 - 4. Is there a definition of what these numbers mean? His apprenticeship entry reads:- Name of Apprentice: Silburn Edward F Age when Bound: 16 1/2 Port of Enrolment and Date of Indenture: W Hartlepool 12.7.09 Term for which Bound: 3 Year in which Indenture expires: 1912 Name of Person in whom bound: The Pyman Steamship Co Ltd Particulars of Death and Cancellations: Remarks: 2 Regards Mike

Hi, the register of Apprentices shows that and Evan Corkill was apprenticed in Liverpool 24 March 1843 aged 16 for 4 years to Richd Pentecost , on the Sir John Campbell . However there is a second record which shows Evan Corkhill with the same details but 24th March 1847 . And the ship is Sir C Campbell . -----Original Message----- the 2 oldest of 10 children born to John and Esther (CORKILL) CORKILL. According to information I received during the last 2 years, Evan "went to sea" when he was about 10. That would make it just before 1840. Would there be an apprentice record for him? During the last 2 yrs., I also found out he was in the Merchant Marines, and was a Quartermaster. According to papers, he was still on ships going back & forth to Africa (from Liverpool) during the 1860's and 1870's. This is when his 7 children were born, and then the 5 youngest were being "shipped to Canada" as part of the "UK's Child Migrant Scheme." (1874) The oldest, Edward, ended up on the Akbar Training Ship, and "somehow" made his way to British Columbia, Canada, in 1873. Another son, Lewis, died at Age 10. * The family lived in Liverpool, and Evan, the father, remarried ~1879, and then lived a long life. We have no way of knowing whether he kept in touch with his 6 children in Canada. I've collected or received more information, but that's all I'll say for this morning. (6 AM, MA/US) Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists and Boards for 15 yrs.; now an Admin for several) *Evan and Elizabeth (QUAYLE) CORKILL had their 2 youngest sons being "shipped off to Canada" at Ages 5 and 3. Elizabeth passed ~1871) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Nivard, Your interesting Email, and the subsequent correspondence do not make clear what these apprentices were for i.e. were the passing-out people to be deck officers that is Skippers on fishing boats or MMs who would be deck officers in the MN ? Or were they to become able seamen ? or a mixture ? Did these arrangements cover the engineering branch ? It would obviously be futile for our members (MAR) who know that their ancestor served as an AB to try to look up an apprenticeship record if it were for officers only. Graham On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:36 PM, Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > About UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910 > > This collection contains lists of young men who were indentured to > merchant navy ships between the years 1824 and 1910. They include > details such as name, age and date at registration or indenture, vessel, > port of registry, and birth year and place. > > Historical Background > > The National Archives describes the legislation that brought these > records about: > > Under the Merchant Seamen, etc, Act 1823 (4 Geo IV c 25) Masters of > British merchant ships of 80 tons and over were required to carry a > given number of indentured apprentices. These had to be duly enrolled > with the local Customs Officer. These provisions were extended by the > Merchant Seamen Act 1835 (5 & 6 Wm IV c 19) which provided for the > registration of these indentures. In London they were registered with > the General Register and Record Office of Seamen and in other ports with > the Customs officers who were required to submit quarterly lists to the > Registrar General. In 1844 it was provided for copies of the indentures > to be sent to the Registrar General, and although compulsory > apprenticeship was abolished in 1849 the system of registration was > maintained. Under the Merchant Shipping Act 1894 (57 & 58 Vict c 60) a > parallel arrangement was introduced for apprentices on fishing boats. > > > > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a crew list for the Parthia (a Cunard passenger steamship on the North Atlantic run in 1874) in the list of crew occupations the entry for "9 stewards" has been crossed out and "9 waiters" substituted. Does anyone know why it might have been important to make this distinction? David

Can I chip in my pennyworth .....if you can scan it is I will give it a go too . Many eyes make sense of scribbles !!! -----Original Message----- From: elizabeth shepherd via Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2015 9:39 AM To: John Goold ; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] State Library N.S.W. look up John If you get no responses get back to me and I will ask a friend to do it for you. I am in Perth.RegardsElizabeth Shepherd From: John Goold via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015, 19:18 Subject: [MAR] State Library N.S.W. look up Greetings listers, Is there some kind sole on the list who can look at a document for me at the Sate Library of NSW? I have found a crew list for the ship I am researching and having paid my $16.50, have been sent a document that is barely readable, with most names totally unreadable. The crew list is from 1829 so a real bonus find but not much help to me in it's current state.I have complained but it seems to no avail.I live in Tasmania so getting to the NSW State Library is currently not an option. John Goold ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi all, Does anyone know if you need a World Ancestry sub to access these records? I'm in Australia and have a Heritage Plus sub which is supposed to give me access to all UK records. I've contacted Ancestry but haven''t heard back yet. I'm looking for Terence Keating born 1838 Dublin Ireland, though later records have him born in Australia. Cheers Jan

Hello, I've been researching my ancestor, Evan CORKILL   (CORKHILL?) for well over 10 yrs.    I already knew that he was born ~1827 on the Isle of Man.     He and his older brother, John CORKILL, were the 2 oldest of 10 children born to John and Esther (CORKILL)  CORKILL.     According to information I received during the last 2 years,  Evan "went to sea" when he was about 10.     That would make it just before 1840.    Would there be an apprentice record for him?  During the last 2 yrs., I also found out he was in the Merchant Marines, and was a Quartermaster.     According to papers, he was still on ships going back & forth to Africa   (from Liverpool) during the 1860's and 1870's.    This is when his 7 children were born, and then the 5 youngest were being "shipped to Canada" as part of the "UK's Child Migrant Scheme."    (1874)     The oldest, Edward, ended up on the Akbar Training Ship, and  "somehow" made his way to British Columbia, Canada, in 1873.   Another son, Lewis, died at Age 10.  * The family lived in Liverpool, and Evan, the father, remarried ~1879,  and then lived a long life.     We have no way of knowing whether he kept in touch with his 6 children in Canada.      I've collected or received more information, but that's all I'll say for this morning.       (6 AM, MA/US) Betty             (near Lowell, MA, USA) (on Lists and Boards for 15 yrs.;   now an Admin for several) *Evan and Elizabeth (QUAYLE) CORKILL had their 2 youngest sons being "shipped off to Canada" at Ages 5 and 3.    Elizabeth passed ~1871)

John If you get no responses get back to me and I will ask a friend to do it for you.  I am in Perth.RegardsElizabeth Shepherd From: John Goold via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2015, 19:18 Subject: [MAR] State Library N.S.W. look up Greetings listers, Is there some kind sole on the list who can look at a document for me at the Sate Library of NSW? I have found a crew list for the ship I am researching and having paid my $16.50, have been sent a document that is barely readable, with most names totally unreadable. The crew list is from 1829 so a real bonus find but not much help to me in it's current state.I have complained but it seems to no avail.I live in Tasmania so getting to the NSW State Library is currently not an option. John Goold                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Both my "targets" appear in the Masters and Mates database stating they were apprentices, confirmed by later crew lists. It would be nice to find the date of their apprenticeship and original master. I have asked Ancestry if the database is complete. Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Aug 2015, at 9:23 pm, Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Hi John > > The question being, are your targets missing from the data set now available on Ancestry > > Or were there no records at all or are in another data set > > My great grandfather disappears in 1874, no death or other record has come to light to date but I don't blame Ancestry or the GRO for him not being recorded > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 10/08/2015 12:15, John Goold wrote: >> I am very grateful to Ancestry for making these wonderful records available. I have found new apprentices for the ship I am researching, which is great. I was merely pointing out that I have at least two other apprentices who do not appear in this new database and I am curious as to why. >>

Angharad When you are an officer of the watch on the bridge, and you are dealing with coloured lights at night, ie red and green, for port and starboard, then to be colour blind would not only be dangerous for your vessel, but for others, especially when operating in close formations, as was often the need during the war. Plus, as mentioned, signal flags are often coloured, so you could misread signals, although semaphore (not flags) and Morse were probably the main visual methods of signalling at this date, although signal flags were used a any number of things when navigating a ship or advising others regarding what you were doing or intending to do etc. etc. On entering the Service I understand that from the latter part of the 19th Century officers were required to declare whether or not they were colour blind, and if he implied that he wasn't then he would have put himself in a difficult place should the discrepancy be discovered, even if it was to serve for King and Country, and it looks as though he paid the penalty, and it was probably suggested that he resigned and hence, also, the note that he was not to serve in the RN for the duration, which would be normal in those circumstances. Concur with David regarding RFA. If you would like to send me a copy of your document, I'll see if I can make sense of the "scribbled note," but no promises ! Paul On Mon, 10 Aug 2015 07:04:28 -0400, Angharad Holmes via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if someone on here can throw any light on it for me! > >He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. > >In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS Princess. (? Princess Royal). > > In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and > “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make out the scribbled note on his record that says why. > >In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out on various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed off Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. > >He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. > >My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". > >I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to serve in the RN for the duration of the war. > >By the way - he was colour blind! > >In anticipation > >Angharad > > > >Angharad Holmes >angharadholmes@aol.com > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

I am very grateful to Ancestry for making these wonderful records available. I have found new apprentices for the ship I am researching, which is great. I was merely pointing out that I have at least two other apprentices who do not appear in this new database and I am curious as to why. Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Aug 2015, at 9:05 pm, Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > > I don't know what is in the complete data set to know what is now online > or as some suggest "missing" > > But I confess I find it odd that some are complaining that they now have > access to information and records hitherto unattainable by many (me for one) > > I am just grateful for access to any and all records > > If you can't find what you are looking for, are you sure there is a > record in the first place > > Yes there are no doubt errors in the transcriptions, but I would rather > have it now with a few errors than much later in an impossible to attain > perfect transcription > > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > >> On 07/08/2015 21:36, Nivard Ovington wrote: >> >> About UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910 >> >> This collection contains lists of young men who were indentured to >> merchant navy ships between the years 1824 and 1910. They include >> details such as name, age and date at registration or indenture, vessel, >> port of registry, and birth year and place. >> >> Historical Background > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, The RFA could be Royal Field Artillery, a regiment in the Army. But given the context it is more likely to be that he joined the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. It was established in 1905 to provide coaling ships to supply the Royal Navy. Regards Dawn Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Aug 2015, at 15:36, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > This is interesting , why get your Masters > ticket in July 1914 and then join the army ? and then becomes an officer in > the RN briefly , and then back to the RFA "on ships" ???? > Can you scan that portion of this service > record in so that we could have a crack at answering the question why he was > so banned from the RN ..... and then " modified " . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angharad Holmes via > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:04 PM > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Deciphering a Naval record > > > I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one > thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if > someone on here can throw any light on it for me! > > He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, > then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. > > In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub > Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I > believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS > Princess. (? Princess Royal). > > In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and > “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. > This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make > out the scribbled note on his record that says why. > > In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out on > various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed off > Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. > > He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. > > My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". > > I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought > you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to > serve in the RN for the duration of the war. > > By the way - he was colour blind! > > In anticipation > > Angharad > > > > Angharad Holmes > angharadholmes@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Not knowing ANYTHING about signaling, could his color blindness have affected how he saw signals from ship to ship, thus making him unfit to serve in his previous capacity?Jane On Monday, August 10, 2015 2:50 PM, Dawn Pillans via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi, The RFA could be Royal Field Artillery, a regiment in the Army. But given the context it is more likely to be that he joined the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. It was established in 1905 to provide coaling ships to supply the Royal Navy. Regards Dawn Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Aug 2015, at 15:36, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > >                                This is interesting , why get your Masters > ticket in July 1914 and then join the army ? and then becomes an officer in > the RN briefly , and then back to the RFA "on ships" ???? >                                Can you scan that portion of this service > record in so that we could have a crack at answering the question why he was > so banned from the RN ..... and then " modified " . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angharad Holmes via > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:04 PM > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Deciphering a Naval record > > > I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one > thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if > someone on here can throw any light on it for me! > > He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, > then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. > > In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub > Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I > believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS > Princess. (? Princess Royal). > > In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and > “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. > This statementseems to have been modified in June  1917 but I cannot make > out the scribbled note on his record that says why. > > In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out on > various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed off > Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. > > He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. > > My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". > > I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought > you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to > serve in the RN for the duration of the war. > > By the way - he was colour blind! > > In anticipation > > Angharad > > > > Angharad Holmes > angharadholmes@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Are you sure about the army (Royal Field Artillery)? I would have thought Royal Fleet Auxiliary more likely. If service record has HMS PRINCESS, I don't see any problem with that. She was being recommissioned in May 1916, presumably with a new crew after refit and change of role. David On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 3:36 PM, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > This is interesting , why get your Masters > ticket in July 1914 and then join the army ? and then becomes an officer in > the RN briefly , and then back to the RFA "on ships" ???? > Can you scan that portion of this service > record in so that we could have a crack at answering the question why he > was > so banned from the RN ..... and then " modified " . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angharad Holmes via > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:04 PM > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Deciphering a Naval record > > > I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one > thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if > someone on here can throw any light on it for me! > > He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, > then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. > > In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub > Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I > believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS > Princess. (? Princess Royal). > > In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and > “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. > This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make > out the scribbled note on his record that says why. > > In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out > on > various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed off > Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. > > He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. > > My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". > > I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought > you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to > serve in the RN for the duration of the war. > > By the way - he was colour blind! > > In anticipation > > Angharad > > > > Angharad Holmes > angharadholmes@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks for reply Jane, it's something Ive considered, but ? don't know :) Angharad Holmes angharadholmes@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Jane Ward via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: Dawn Pillans <dawn.pillans@btinternet.com>; mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 10 Aug 2015 20:14 Subject: Re: [MAR] Deciphering a Naval record Not knowing ANYTHING about signaling, could his color blindness have affected how he saw signals from ship to ship, thus making him unfit to serve in his previous capacity?Jane On Monday, August 10, 2015 2:50 PM, Dawn Pillans via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: Hi, The RFA could be Royal Field Artillery, a regiment in the Army. But given the context it is more likely to be that he joined the Royal Fleet Auxiliary. It was established in 1905 to provide coaling ships to supply the Royal Navy. Regards Dawn Sent from my iPhone > On 10 Aug 2015, at 15:36, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > > This is interesting , why get your Masters > ticket in July 1914 and then join the army ? and then becomes an officer in > the RN briefly , and then back to the RFA "on ships" ???? > Can you scan that portion of this service > record in so that we could have a crack at answering the question why he was > so banned from the RN ..... and then " modified " . > > -----Original Message----- > From: Angharad Holmes via > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:04 PM > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] Deciphering a Naval record > > > I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one > thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if > someone on here can throw any light on it for me! > > He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, > then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. > > In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub > Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I > believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS > Princess. (? Princess Royal). > > In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and > “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. > This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make > out the scribbled note on his record that says why. > > In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out on > various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed off > Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. > > He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. > > My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". > > I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought > you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to > serve in the RN for the duration of the war. > > By the way - he was colour blind! > > In anticipation > > Angharad > > > > Angharad Holmes > angharadholmes@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is interesting , why get your Masters ticket in July 1914 and then join the army ? and then becomes an officer in the RN briefly , and then back to the RFA "on ships" ???? Can you scan that portion of this service record in so that we could have a crack at answering the question why he was so banned from the RN ..... and then " modified " . -----Original Message----- From: Angharad Holmes via Sent: Monday, August 10, 2015 12:04 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Deciphering a Naval record I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if someone on here can throw any light on it for me! He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS Princess. (? Princess Royal). In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make out the scribbled note on his record that says why. In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out on various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed off Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to serve in the RN for the duration of the war. By the way - he was colour blind! In anticipation Angharad Angharad Holmes angharadholmes@aol.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi John The question being, are your targets missing from the data set now available on Ancestry Or were there no records at all or are in another data set My great grandfather disappears in 1874, no death or other record has come to light to date but I don't blame Ancestry or the GRO for him not being recorded Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 10/08/2015 12:15, John Goold wrote: > I am very grateful to Ancestry for making these wonderful records available. I have found new apprentices for the ship I am researching, which is great. I was merely pointing out that I have at least two other apprentices who do not appear in this new database and I am curious as to why. >

For HMS PRINCESS (1915-1917) see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Kronprinzessin_Cecilie_(1905) David On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Angharad Holmes via <mariners@rootsweb.com > wrote: > > I have my Grandfather's World War 1 Naval service history and there is one > thing in particular that I would like to know more about, and wondering if > someone on here can throw any light on it for me! > > He was a merchant seaman before the war, got his Masters Ticket July 1914, > then he served a year in the Royal Field Artillery. > > In April 1916 he seems to have been transferred to the Navy as a Sub > Lieutenant (temporary), went to HMS Excellent (April - May 1916)which I > believe was a shore establishment in Portsmouth and was then posted to HMS > Princess. (? Princess Royal). > > In June 1916 his record states that "he resigned" and > “ he is notto serve on any vessel in RN service for the rest of the war”. > This statementseems to have been modified in June 1917 but I cannot make > out the scribbled note on his record that says why. > > In June 1916 he transferred to the RFA and served the rest of the war out > on various ships, one of them being the S.S.Gothland which was torpedoed > off Malta in 1917. He was then on the S.S.City of Shanghai until 1923. > > He was killed during Dec 1940 after a year dodging u boats in the Atlantic. > > My father said that his dad was in the "wavy navy". > > I would like to know what the resignation in 1916 is all about, I thought > you couldn't just resign during war time! and why was he not allowed to > serve in the RN for the duration of the war. > > By the way - he was colour blind! > > In anticipation > > Angharad > > > > Angharad Holmes > angharadholmes@aol.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I don't know what is in the complete data set to know what is now online or as some suggest "missing" But I confess I find it odd that some are complaining that they now have access to information and records hitherto unattainable by many (me for one) I am just grateful for access to any and all records If you can't find what you are looking for, are you sure there is a record in the first place Yes there are no doubt errors in the transcriptions, but I would rather have it now with a few errors than much later in an impossible to attain perfect transcription Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 07/08/2015 21:36, Nivard Ovington wrote: > > About UK, Apprentices Indentured in Merchant Navy, 1824-1910 > > This collection contains lists of young men who were indentured to > merchant navy ships between the years 1824 and 1910. They include > details such as name, age and date at registration or indenture, vessel, > port of registry, and birth year and place. > > Historical Background

It is very difficult to browse (the system they used isn't very clear), but the search page works well for me - at least it has found 4 out of 5 names I have searched from 1870 to 1905. Try searching from http://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=60609&path= On 10 August 2015 at 10:53, elizgh via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi, I think this is tiresome to lob half an > archive onto Ancestry . I have my grandfather`s 2nd and 1st mate > certificates but would be interested to see when he was apprenticed > .........and to whom . but nothing appears. > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Goold via > Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:32 PM > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: [MAR] New Apprentice Indenture index > > I would also suggest the new record on Ancestry is far from complete.I have > two apprentices and neither appears in the index . > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >