Hello Jenny, Since we last corresponded, there are now many more historical Irish newspapers online (subscription site).https://www.irishnewsarchive.com/ Have you already been to London Metropolitan Archives to view Lloyd's Captains Registers for these few below that I have copied from the index? At least two of them are yours. You'll get vessel names and voyage dates from these. You may also find the previous sea experience for John, b. 1856 Dunmore and for Robert b. 1840 Sunderland in the Masters and Mates database at Ancestry. (You will need to use the scroll arrows both backwards and forwards to see all the pages in each file.) You may also find the other two in that database but I am not sure how to interpret their document numbers (S38073 and CHT100854, later CHT85892). Perhaps someone else here on the list can help with that.  DIGGINS, John b. Norfolk 1806 S38073 vol.4 1856-73; vol.18 1874-77; vol.31 1880 DIGGINS, John b. Dunmore, Waterford 1856 C012544 Newport 1887 vol.31 no voyages listed Extra Folio 1; vol.46 1888-95; vol.61 1896-1903; vol.76 1904-11 DIGGINS, Patrick b. Co. Waterford 1830 CHT100854 changed to CHT85892 (vol. 18) Cork 1864 vol.4 1865; vol.18 1874-79; vol.31 1880-83; vol.46 no voyages listed DIGGINS, Robert b. Sunderland 1840 C19838 Sunderland 1862 vol.4 1862-70 Regards,Adi From: ROBBOSGIRL via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: [MAR] Diggins Waterford Looking for mariners channel pilots living at  Dunmore East Waterford  Ireland by name of Diggins There were a few of them in the family around 1800 to middle of  century Patrick and John Two of them John and Patrick ended up in Cardiff area as Channel pilots  Cant seem to find much info on them Need help please 

Wow! its all coming together rather nicely, with huge thanks to the expertise of Adi and David. I will certainly contact Newfoundland and see what they can provide and the costs involved, no I have not yet seen a crew list, as I still can’t locate one for my other seaman. Newfoundland did not have anything when I enquired. Please, if anyone finds that there is further information to be accessed via the Indenture records, could they let me know. At the moment it looks as if Anthony COMETTI completed his four years in 1874, as no further comments are entered in the Indenture index at Ancestry. Thanks again to all who have helped with information and expertise. Best wishes Carolyn

Hello David and Carolyn, That one looks distinctly probable David. In our off-list correspondence, I think Carolyn and I have established that J. Hill was in fact John Bravender Hill, Certificate # 12500, issued 1860. Now can we tie him to this particular REGINA, because if so, Carolyn is in luck. Maritime History Archive at Memorial University in Newfoundland holds several crew lists for ON 2656 including 1870 and 1871 the years in which she interested. Crew List Index Search Results Search results for Crew Lists in the Maritime History Archive Types of Agreements and Accounts page provides an explanation for the codes referring to the crew agreements held at the Maritime History Archive. | Official_No: | | 2656 | | 1863: | | U2 | | 1864: | | U2 | | 1866: | | U2 | | 1867: | | Q2 | | 1868: | | Q1 | | 1869: | | Q2 | | 1870: | | Q1 | | 1871: | | Q1 | Carolyn, here is the explanation of Crew List Type Q1: | Q1 Q2 | Official Log Present No Official Log Present | | Title: Agreement for Home Trade Ship. Description: Agreement between a ship's master and crew for a period of six months. Lineage: Agreement B and List D were amalgamated into Engagement 6 in 1874. | Have you ever seen a crew list Caroline? They are very large documents, usually requiring four overlapping scans to produce readable images. (Sometimes it takes six or eight depending on how many "consular remarks" are written on the back of it, but given that it is a "Home Trade" vessel, consular remarks are unlikely.) You'll also get peripheral information such as his wages and his daily food ration and a notation whether your man deserted, was discharged, or "remains with the ship". Now, they are not cheap. But if you have multiple mariners in your background, I consider it worthwhile to have at least one sample of a crew agreement. It "might" be (I cannot say for certain) that when you write MHA to ask for a quote that you can specify that you want the 1871 agreement *only* if Anthony Cometti is listed aboard. That *should* establish whether he was just ashore on leave visiting his family on census night or whether he did in fact desert or was discharged. Regards,Adi   From: David Asprey via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com; carogene@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] UK Merchant Navy Apprentice Indentures at Ancestry Looked in vain for a REGINA registered at Hartlepool, but note that the reference is "at" rather than "of" Hartlepool.  This one looks the most likely, but does not appear in Lloyd's Register: Brig REGINA -  205 tons - Official Number 2656, registered at London Built 1845 at Prince Edward Island, Canada In 1870 listed in Mercantile Navy List as owned by William E Fielding, Davis's Wharf, Tooley Street, Southwark. (that is not necessarily inconsistent with being owned by "J Hills", as vessels typically had more than one holder of shares of 64ths, and MNL only shows one - usually the appointed manager and not always the largest shareholder) This REGINA looks like a collier as William Fielding was a coal merchant operating from Davis's Wharf see http://tinyurl.com/pgxt96k By 1875 MNL owned by Richard McSheen, Great Grimsby and registered there (and by then only 185 tons) Ipswich Journal, Tuesday 20 Oct 1875: Lowestoft Shipping Intelligence: Between six and seven o'clock on Saturday evening, during a strong wind, the brig Regina, Young, master, of Grimsby, got on shore been Pakefield and Kessingland. The crew were rescued by the Kessiingland coastguard with the rocket apparatus and brought to the Sailors Home, Lowestoft.  The vessel will become a total wreck.  She was from Boulogne for Hull, ballast. best wishes DAvid

Looked in vain for a REGINA registered at Hartlepool, but note that the reference is "at" rather than "of" Hartlepool. This one looks the most likely, but does not appear in Lloyd's Register: Brig REGINA - 205 tons - Official Number 2656, registered at London Built 1845 at Prince Edward Island, Canada In 1870 listed in Mercantile Navy List as owned by William E Fielding, Davis's Wharf, Tooley Street, Southwark. (that is not necessarily inconsistent with being owned by "J Hills", as vessels typically had more than one holder of shares of 64ths, and MNL only shows one - usually the appointed manager and not always the largest shareholder) This REGINA looks like a collier as William Fielding was a coal merchant operating from Davis's Wharf see http://tinyurl.com/pgxt96k By 1875 MNL owned by Richard McSheen, Great Grimsby and registered there (and by then only 185 tons) Ipswich Journal, Tuesday 20 Oct 1875: Lowestoft Shipping Intelligence: Between six and seven o'clock on Saturday evening, during a strong wind, the brig Regina, Young, master, of Grimsby, got on shore been Pakefield and Kessingland. The crew were rescued by the Kessiingland coastguard with the rocket apparatus and brought to the Sailors Home, Lowestoft. The vessel will become a total wreck. She was from Boulogne for Hull, ballast. best wishes DAvid On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Mme_N_Carmichael via <mariners@rootsweb.com > wrote: > Hello Carolyn, > You wrote:"My man is Anthony COMETTI born 1855 in London, and I now have > three pieces > of conflicting information about him: > This one dated 21 April 1870, for 4 years on the vessel Regina, 204 tons, > at Hartlepool, Master -J. Hills." > Whence came that information? Ancestry? I don't have a sub so can't see > the record you have. I looked in online volumes of Lloyd's Register of > Shipping for 1870, 1871 and 1872 but see no REGINA with that master. There > is a brig that's close in tonnage (202 tons) but she wasn't a coastal > collier.http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html > If he had been apprenticed to the master, rather than the owner(s), that > begs a question I have been meaning to ask this list:Q? If the merchant > navy apprentice is indentured to the master, rather than to the owner(s), > does that mean that the apprentice also changes ships when the master > changes employers? > > Do you have an Official Number for that REGINA? Because if yes, you could > try to find her 1871 crew lists to see if there is any notation against > Anthony Cometti's name about him deserting or being discharged. A good > place to start that hunt is the CLIP (Crew List Indexing Project) website: > http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsalphaview.php?Name=REGINA&SearchType=Exact > > Regards,Adi > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Carolyn, You wrote:"My man is Anthony COMETTI born 1855 in London, and I now have three pieces of conflicting information about him: This one dated 21 April 1870, for 4 years on the vessel Regina, 204 tons, at Hartlepool, Master -J. Hills." Whence came that information? Ancestry? I don't have a sub so can't see the record you have. I looked in online volumes of Lloyd's Register of Shipping for 1870, 1871 and 1872 but see no REGINA with that master. There is a brig that's close in tonnage (202 tons) but she wasn't a coastal collier.http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html If he had been apprenticed to the master, rather than the owner(s), that begs a question I have been meaning to ask this list:Q? If the merchant navy apprentice is indentured to the master, rather than to the owner(s), does that mean that the apprentice also changes ships when the master changes employers? Do you have an Official Number for that REGINA? Because if yes, you could try to find her 1871 crew lists to see if there is any notation against Anthony Cometti's name about him deserting or being discharged. A good place to start that hunt is the CLIP (Crew List Indexing Project) website:http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsalphaview.php?Name=REGINA&SearchType=Exact Regards,Adi

Looking for mariners channel pilots living at Dunmore East Waterford Ireland by name of Diggins There were a few of them in the family around 1800 to middle of century Patrick and John Two of them John and Patrick ended up in Cardiff area as Channel pilots Cant seem to find much info on them Need help please

Thanks very much for the list, Paul. I just hope that you didn't have to type it all. Graham On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 4:47 PM, Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> wrote: > > It is also perhaps worth noting that Coast Guards were moved around > the British Isles quite a bit, and usually spend a few years at one > place before being moved on to another Coast Guard station with a view > to preventing the lads "going native," and getting too involved with > the locals. > > Similarly, once married they would usually occupy service built Coast > Guard accommodation, and to this day in this part of the country each > of the coastal villages and hamlets has its own group of Coast Guard > cottages, although all now privately occupied. > > Whilst one does occasionally come across men who had served in the > Merchant Service in the early years of the coast guard, it is often > found that these men had served in the RN as well, since they > invariably needed a VG service record before they would be entertained > for the Coast Guard. > > And for those of you with a broadband or better connection to the > internet it is dead easy to do your research your selves for free, > digital copies coast guard records are available on-line, although > each item, usually a book, takes a little while to download and the > total size of the collection is about 22 Gb., so you only want to > download those for your period of interest. They are all included in > ADM 175 > > ADM 175 Records of service of the Coastguard 1816-1947 > > and can be found in the National Archives Catalogue : > > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk > > The following is a list of the files that are available.....suggest > you delete the time and date and cut and paste the list to a more > suitable document, but at least it gives you and document titles and > references, some giving dates etc. it might take a while to get your > head round what's there but I'm sure that you should be able to make > sense of it once you find you man in one document and then track him > down as he moves around. > > 17/11/2008 01:37 177,918,709 ADM 175 1 Establishment Books - > British Isles.pdf > 14/11/2008 20:34 271,034,063 ADM 175 10 Establishment Books - > England Part III (Dover to Salcombe).pdf > 16/11/2008 10:17 73,949,427 ADM 175 100 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Ireland > 1830-1849 Coastguard Nominations.pdf > 16/11/2008 12:14 88,108,943 ADM 175 101 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Boatmen.pdf > 16/11/2008 12:41 73,712,737 ADM 175 102 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to > discharges.pdf > 13/11/2008 22:38 164,290,224 ADM 175 103 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief > Officers.pdf > 13/11/2008 09:41 106,700,651 ADM 175 104 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief > Officers.pdf > 13/11/2008 09:30 97,787,782 ADM 175 105 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief > Officers.pdf > 13/11/2008 03:08 264,323,300 ADM 175 106 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief > Officers.pdf > 12/11/2008 02:37 177,648,325 ADM 175 107 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief > Officers.pdf > 13/11/2008 01:18 134,422,387 ADM 175 108 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to > records of service or RN Ratings Nos 112500-358500.pdf > 13/11/2008 01:33 226,946,393 ADM 175 109 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - New Coastguard > Force Chief Officers service.pdf > 13/11/2008 22:21 367,771,050 ADM 175 11 Establishment Books - > England Newhaven Division.pdf > 12/11/2008 02:07 24,477,618 ADM 175 110 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - New Coastguard > Force Chief Officers' Service.pdf > 12/11/2008 01:34 62,203,067 ADM 175 111 Nominal Indexes > Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - New Coastguard > Force Naval Shore Signal Service, service record.pdf > 12/11/2008 23:46 453,629,246 ADM 175 12 Establishment Books - > England Southern.pdf > 17/11/2008 01:06 80,113,275 ADM 175 13 Establishment Books - > Ireland Part I - 1820 - 1826.pdf > 17/11/2008 01:12 124,725,832 ADM 175 14 Establishment Books - > Ireland Part II - 1820 -1822.pdf > 15/11/2008 18:32 358,565,337 ADM 175 15 Establishment Books - > Ireland - 1820 - 1823.pdf > 15/11/2008 23:26 485,673,702 ADM 175 16 Establishment Books - > Ireland - possibly 1826-1836.pdf > 16/11/2008 01:12 496,803,846 ADM 175 17 Establishment Books - > Ireland - 1827 - 1843.pdf > 16/11/2008 01:36 329,234,574 ADM 175 18 Establishment Books - > Ireland - 1827 - 1848.pdf > 16/11/2008 11:12 344,230,193 ADM 175 19 Establishment Books - > Ireland - 1845 - 1862.pdf > 17/11/2008 01:29 45,204,519 ADM 175 2 England - and > Rattlesnake Preventive Boat.pdf > 15/11/2008 01:17 300,346,248 ADM 175 20 Establishment Books - > Ireland Queenstown and Kingstown districts only.pdf > 14/11/2008 14:36 175,053,112 ADM 175 21 Establishment Books - > Ireland Limerick district only.pdf > 15/11/2008 20:54 85,319,433 ADM 175 22 Establishment Books - > Scotland.pdf > 14/11/2008 17:47 65,351,467 ADM 175 23 Establishment Books - > Scotland.pdf > 15/11/2008 20:29 159,681,055 ADM 175 24 Establishment Books - > Cruisers.pdf > 16/11/2008 10:41 79,996,304 ADM 175 25 Establishment Books - > Cruisers.pdf > 17/11/2008 11:39 94,229,828 ADM 175 26 Establishment Books - > Tenders.pdf > 16/11/2008 14:38 29,967,531 ADM 175 27 Ships' Record Books > Clyde District - Hogue.pdf > 14/11/2008 16:36 19,487,213 ADM 175 28 Ships' Record Books > Clyde District - Lion.pdf > 14/11/2008 11:43 35,945,047 ADM 175 29 Ships' Record Books > Clyde District - Black Prince Aurora Narcissus.pdf > 17/11/2008 13:56 150,299,173 ADM 175 3 Establishment Books - > England, Northern and Scotland - and Cutters.pdf > 13/11/2008 22:51 24,010,048 ADM 175 30 Ships' Record Books > Clyde District - Narcissus Hercules.pdf > 16/11/2008 13:42 145,195,148 ADM 175 31 Ships' Record Books > Falmouth District - Russell.pdf > 14/11/2008 17:14 222,046,444 ADM 175 32 Ships' Record Books > Falmouth District - St George.pdf > 14/11/2008 11:39 498,126,463 ADM 175 33 Ships' Record Books > Falmouth District - St George Achilles Warrior.pdf > 16/11/2008 13:56 278,804,628 ADM 175 34 Ships' Record Books > Harwich District - Pembroke.pdf > 14/11/2008 13:08 531,071,912 ADM 175 35 Ships' Record Books > Harwich District - Pembroke Penelope.pdf > 17/11/2008 02:24 172,603,332 ADM 175 36 Ships' Record Books > Hull District - Cornwallis.pdf > 14/11/2008 16:32 288,474,215 ADM 175 37 Ships' Record Books > Hull District - Dauntless.pdf > 14/11/2008 02:46 246,645,518 ADM 175 38 Ships' Record Books > Hull District - Wivern Invincible Audacious Endymion.pdf > 16/11/2008 14:19 180,490,647 ADM 175 39 Ships' Record Books > Kingstown District - Ajax.pdf > 15/11/2008 17:14 210,321,605 ADM 175 4 Establishment Books - > England, Southern 1821-1827.- and Cutters.pdf > 14/11/2008 17:00 184,052,482 ADM 175 40 Ships' Record Books > Kingstown District - Royal George.pdf > 14/11/2008 13:44 157,827,075 ADM 175 41 Ships' Record Books > Kingstown District - Royal George.pdf > 14/11/2008 11:13 86,360,444 ADM 175 42 Ships' Record Books > Kingstown District - Kingstown District.pdf > 14/11/2008 10:51 388,063,716 ADM 175 43 Ships' Record Books > Kingstown District - Pallas Audacious Vanguard Iron Duke.pdf > 13/11/2008 23:41 228,793,204 ADM 175 44 Ships' Record Books > Kingstown District - Iron Duke Topaze Belleisle.pdf > 13/11/2008 23:18 236,037,490 ADM 175 45 Ships' Record Books > Kingstown District - Kingstown District.pdf > 16/11/2008 14:03 56,210,664 ADM 175 46 Ships' Record Books > Leith District - Edinburgh at Leith - Oct 1858 - Feb 1864 .pdf > 14/11/2008 16:45 79,934,219 ADM 175 47 Ships' Record Books > Leith District - Trafalgar at Leith - Mar 1864 - Jun 1867 and thence > to Duncan.pdf > 14/11/2008 13:17 79,844,436 ADM 175 48 Ships' Record Books > Leith District - Duncan at Leith - Jun 1867 - Feb 1870.pdf > 14/11/2008 02:22 130,185,795 ADM 175 49 Ships' Record Books > Leith District - Repulse at Leith - Mar 1870 - 20 Mar 1872.pdf > 15/11/2008 21:38 339,242,058 ADM 175 5 Establishment Books - > England 1826-32.pdf > 14/11/2008 02:08 138,784,550 ADM 175 50 Ships' Record Books > Leith District - Repulse at Leith - Mar 1870 - 20 Mar 1872 Favorite > 21 Mar 1872 - Jun 1875.pdf > 14/11/2008 00:13 81,001,731 ADM 175 51 Ships' Record Books > Leith District - Favorite at Leith - June 1875 - Oct 1878.pdf > 14/11/2008 13:26 105,355,897 ADM 175 52 Ships' Record Books > Limerick District - Frederick William at Limerick - Jan 1867 - Aug > 1868.pdf > 14/11/2008 11:56 251,806,878 ADM 175 53 Ships' Record Books > Limerick District - Valiant at Limerick - Sep 1868 - Jun 1873.pdf > 14/11/2008 00:39 171,227,959 ADM 175 54 Ships' Record Books > Limerick District - Valiant at Limerick - Jul 1873 - Mar 1876.pdf > 14/11/2008 00:07 193,910,033 ADM 175 55 Ships' Record Books > Limerick District - Valiant at Limerick - Mar 1876 - Jun 1876.pdf > 17/11/2008 11:51 72,743,082 ADM 175 56 Ships' Record Books > Liverpool District - Hastings at Liverpool - May 1858 - Jan 1860.pdf > 14/11/2008 16:41 78,860,657 ADM 175 57 Ships' Record Books > Liverpool District - Donegal at Liverpool - Sep 1864 - Jun 1868.pdf > 14/11/2008 11:05 105,401,190 ADM 175 58 Ships' Record Books > Liverpool District - Donegal at Liverpool - 17 Feb 1869 - 30 Jun 1869 > Resistance 1 Jul 1869 - 31 Jun 1873.pdf > 14/11/2008 00:22 95,075,304 ADM 175 59 Ships' Record Books > Liverpool District - Caledonia at Liverpool - 1 Jul 1878.pdf > 16/11/2008 03:46 701,097,937 ADM 175 6 Establishment Books - > England - 1828-1848.pdf > 13/11/2008 23:49 76,396,819 ADM 175 60 Ships' Record Books > Liverpool District - Resistance at Liverpool - 17 May 1877 - 12 Aug > 1877.pdf > 14/11/2008 12:26 173,763,266 ADM 175 61 Ships' Record Books > Lough Swilly District - Trafalgar at Lough Swilly - 1 Jan 1868 - 31 > Oct 1869.pdf > 16/11/2008 15:16 86,734,299 ADM 175 62 Ships' Record Books > Milford District - Blenheim at Milford - 12 Jun 1860 - 31 Aug > 1865.pdf > 14/11/2008 16:05 89,643,650 ADM 175 63 Ships' Record Books > Milford District - Revenge at Milford - 1 Sep 1865 - 16 Feb 1869 trans > to Donegal.pdf > 16/11/2008 12:54 244,828,640 ADM 175 64 Ships' Record Books > Newhaven District - Arrogant at Newhaven to 22 Aug 1859 Dauntless to > 31 Mar 1864.pdf > > The rest to follow > > Paul > 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W > http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html >

Herewith the rest of the previous message: 14/11/2008 17:27 217,173,706 ADM 175 65 Ships' Record Books Newhaven District - Irresistible at Newhaven Vol I Apr 1864 - 30 Apr 1868.pdf 14/11/2008 16:18 113,594,383 ADM 175 66 Ships' Record Books Newhaven District - Irresistible at Newhaven Vol II 25 Mar 1865 - 30 Apr 1868.pdf 14/11/2008 12:39 248,327,626 ADM 175 67 Ships' Record Books Newhaven District - Hector at Newhaven Vol II 1874-1879.pdf 14/11/2008 01:33 453,400,758 ADM 175 68 Ships' Record Books Newhaven District - Newhaven District.pdf 17/11/2008 12:09 343,534,090 ADM 175 69 Ships' Record Books Queenstown District - Hawke at Queenstown - 1 Jan 1859 - 24 Mar 1865.pdf 16/11/2008 12:02 823,454,553 ADM 175 7 Establishment Books - England - 1840 - 1862.pdf 14/11/2008 15:25 249,158,362 ADM 175 70 Ships' Record Books Queenstown District - Frederick William at Queenstown - 25 Mar 1865 - 31 Aug 1868.pdf 16/11/2008 13:34 215,454,234 ADM 175 71 Ships' Record Books Weymouth District - Blenheim at Weymouth - 1 Aug 1859 - 11 Jun 1860.pdf 16/11/2008 15:03 255,514,723 ADM 175 72 Ships' Record Books Weymouth District - Colossus at Weymouth - 12 Jun 1860 - 30 Jun 1864 .pdf 14/11/2008 15:00 331,439,722 ADM 175 73 Ships' Record Books Weymouth District - Frederick William at Weymouth - 1 Jul 1864 - 24 Mar 1865 St George 25 Mar 1865 - 31 Dec 1868.pdf 17/11/2008 01:26 104,509,995 ADM 175 74 Registers of nomination for appointments - Ireland Nos. 1-291; 1-45, 1820-1824 Scotland 1822-1824. England Nos 1-1126, 1819-1821.pdf 15/11/2008 17:41 30,998,361 ADM 175 75 Registers of nomination for appointments - England Nos 1127-1523 1821-1822.pdf 15/11/2008 21:19 75,937,498 ADM 175 76 Registers of nomination for appointments - England Nos 1-823 1823-1826.pdf 16/11/2008 02:06 251,157,706 ADM 175 77 Registers of nomination for appointments - England Nos 824-3970 - 1827-1832.pdf 16/11/2008 10:34 334,726,944 ADM 175 78 Registers of nomination for appointments - England Nos 3973-7698.pdf 17/11/2008 11:14 408,556,033 ADM 175 79 Registers of nomination for appointments - England Nos 1-4629.pdf 15/11/2008 01:27 143,901,365 ADM 175 8 Establishment Books - England Part I (Plymouth to Carlisle) 1858- - 1868.pdf 16/11/2008 12:36 447,142,389 ADM 175 80 Registers of nomination for appointments - Ships' Officers Nos. 100-1779, 1858-1862 England Nos 4630-9733, 1857-1866.pdf 15/11/2008 20:46 35,842,573 ADM 175 81 Registers of nomination for appointments - Ireland Nos 1-1024 - 1822-29.pdf 13/11/2008 13:09 476,400,354 ADM 175 82A Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - Record cards A - C.pdf 13/11/2008 11:05 241,774,001 ADM 175 82B Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - Record cards D - F.pdf 13/11/2008 12:15 457,138,880 ADM 175 83A Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - Record cards G - L.pdf 13/11/2008 12:43 391,967,236 ADM 175 83B Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - Record cards M - P.pdf 13/11/2008 10:21 388,467,439 ADM 175 84A Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - Record cards R - T.pdf 13/11/2008 09:57 206,429,120 ADM 175 84B Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - Record cards U - Z.pdf 13/11/2008 13:24 259,705,152 ADM 175 85 Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - RN Ratings Nos 112500-149999.pdf 17/11/2008 14:16 285,523,782 ADM 175 86 Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - RN Ratings Nos 150000-165000.pdf 13/11/2008 15:53 265,726,709 ADM 175 87 Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - RN Ratings Nos 165001-178000.pdf 13/11/2008 17:00 265,702,670 ADM 175 88 Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - RN Ratings Nos 178001-195000.pdf 13/11/2008 16:09 263,532,902 ADM 175 89 Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - RN Ratings Nos 195001-358500.pdf 14/11/2008 18:29 234,382,487 ADM 175 9 Establishment Books - England Part II (Berwick to Ramsgate).pdf 13/11/2008 16:43 273,352,167 ADM 175 90 Service Records of R.N. Ratings and Royal Marines - Royal Marines.pdf 13/11/2008 02:05 86,981,042 ADM 175 91 Reduction of Coastguard, 1919 Registers of Discharge - Petty Officers Grade 2.pdf 13/11/2008 01:54 172,066,281 ADM 175 92 Reduction of Coastguard, 1919 Registers of Discharge - Petty Officers Grade 3.pdf 13/11/2008 02:19 47,539,886 ADM 175 93 Reduction of Coastguard, 1919 Registers of Discharge - Petty Officers - Old Force.pdf 13/11/2008 02:29 90,522,787 ADM 175 94 Reduction of Coastguard, 1919 Registers of Discharge - Leading Boatmen.pdf 13/11/2008 02:09 13,981,313 ADM 175 95 Reduction of Coastguard, 1919 Registers of Discharge - RN Ratings.pdf 12/11/2008 02:48 95,192,456 ADM 175 96 Reduction of Coastguard, 1919 Registers of Discharge - Chief Officers.pdf 17/11/2008 01:21 208,667,149 ADM 175 97 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - England 1827-40 Coastguard Nominations.pdf 16/11/2008 10:53 237,832,495 ADM 175 98 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - England 1842-1852 Coastguard Nominations.pdf 15/11/2008 17:55 150,508,865 ADM 175 99 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Ireland 1821-1829 Coastguard Nominations.pdf 21/09/2015 16:34 0 list.txt 115 File(s) 23,853,345,240 bytes 2 Dir(s) 944,598,392,832 bytes free Paul 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

It is also perhaps worth noting that Coast Guards were moved around the British Isles quite a bit, and usually spend a few years at one place before being moved on to another Coast Guard station with a view to preventing the lads "going native," and getting too involved with the locals. Similarly, once married they would usually occupy service built Coast Guard accommodation, and to this day in this part of the country each of the coastal villages and hamlets has its own group of Coast Guard cottages, although all now privately occupied. Whilst one does occasionally come across men who had served in the Merchant Service in the early years of the coast guard, it is often found that these men had served in the RN as well, since they invariably needed a VG service record before they would be entertained for the Coast Guard. And for those of you with a broadband or better connection to the internet it is dead easy to do your research your selves for free, digital copies coast guard records are available on-line, although each item, usually a book, takes a little while to download and the total size of the collection is about 22 Gb., so you only want to download those for your period of interest. They are all included in ADM 175 ADM 175 Records of service of the Coastguard 1816-1947 and can be found in the National Archives Catalogue : http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk The following is a list of the files that are available.....suggest you delete the time and date and cut and paste the list to a more suitable document, but at least it gives you and document titles and references, some giving dates etc. it might take a while to get your head round what's there but I'm sure that you should be able to make sense of it once you find you man in one document and then track him down as he moves around. 17/11/2008 01:37 177,918,709 ADM 175 1 Establishment Books - British Isles.pdf 14/11/2008 20:34 271,034,063 ADM 175 10 Establishment Books - England Part III (Dover to Salcombe).pdf 16/11/2008 10:17 73,949,427 ADM 175 100 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Ireland 1830-1849 Coastguard Nominations.pdf 16/11/2008 12:14 88,108,943 ADM 175 101 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Boatmen.pdf 16/11/2008 12:41 73,712,737 ADM 175 102 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to discharges.pdf 13/11/2008 22:38 164,290,224 ADM 175 103 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief Officers.pdf 13/11/2008 09:41 106,700,651 ADM 175 104 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief Officers.pdf 13/11/2008 09:30 97,787,782 ADM 175 105 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief Officers.pdf 13/11/2008 03:08 264,323,300 ADM 175 106 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief Officers.pdf 12/11/2008 02:37 177,648,325 ADM 175 107 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to Chief Officers.pdf 13/11/2008 01:18 134,422,387 ADM 175 108 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - Index to records of service or RN Ratings Nos 112500-358500.pdf 13/11/2008 01:33 226,946,393 ADM 175 109 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - New Coastguard Force Chief Officers service.pdf 13/11/2008 22:21 367,771,050 ADM 175 11 Establishment Books - England Newhaven Division.pdf 12/11/2008 02:07 24,477,618 ADM 175 110 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - New Coastguard Force Chief Officers' Service.pdf 12/11/2008 01:34 62,203,067 ADM 175 111 Nominal Indexes Indexes to registers of nominations for appointments - New Coastguard Force Naval Shore Signal Service, service record.pdf 12/11/2008 23:46 453,629,246 ADM 175 12 Establishment Books - England Southern.pdf 17/11/2008 01:06 80,113,275 ADM 175 13 Establishment Books - Ireland Part I - 1820 - 1826.pdf 17/11/2008 01:12 124,725,832 ADM 175 14 Establishment Books - Ireland Part II - 1820 -1822.pdf 15/11/2008 18:32 358,565,337 ADM 175 15 Establishment Books - Ireland - 1820 - 1823.pdf 15/11/2008 23:26 485,673,702 ADM 175 16 Establishment Books - Ireland - possibly 1826-1836.pdf 16/11/2008 01:12 496,803,846 ADM 175 17 Establishment Books - Ireland - 1827 - 1843.pdf 16/11/2008 01:36 329,234,574 ADM 175 18 Establishment Books - Ireland - 1827 - 1848.pdf 16/11/2008 11:12 344,230,193 ADM 175 19 Establishment Books - Ireland - 1845 - 1862.pdf 17/11/2008 01:29 45,204,519 ADM 175 2 England - and Rattlesnake Preventive Boat.pdf 15/11/2008 01:17 300,346,248 ADM 175 20 Establishment Books - Ireland Queenstown and Kingstown districts only.pdf 14/11/2008 14:36 175,053,112 ADM 175 21 Establishment Books - Ireland Limerick district only.pdf 15/11/2008 20:54 85,319,433 ADM 175 22 Establishment Books - Scotland.pdf 14/11/2008 17:47 65,351,467 ADM 175 23 Establishment Books - Scotland.pdf 15/11/2008 20:29 159,681,055 ADM 175 24 Establishment Books - Cruisers.pdf 16/11/2008 10:41 79,996,304 ADM 175 25 Establishment Books - Cruisers.pdf 17/11/2008 11:39 94,229,828 ADM 175 26 Establishment Books - Tenders.pdf 16/11/2008 14:38 29,967,531 ADM 175 27 Ships' Record Books Clyde District - Hogue.pdf 14/11/2008 16:36 19,487,213 ADM 175 28 Ships' Record Books Clyde District - Lion.pdf 14/11/2008 11:43 35,945,047 ADM 175 29 Ships' Record Books Clyde District - Black Prince Aurora Narcissus.pdf 17/11/2008 13:56 150,299,173 ADM 175 3 Establishment Books - England, Northern and Scotland - and Cutters.pdf 13/11/2008 22:51 24,010,048 ADM 175 30 Ships' Record Books Clyde District - Narcissus Hercules.pdf 16/11/2008 13:42 145,195,148 ADM 175 31 Ships' Record Books Falmouth District - Russell.pdf 14/11/2008 17:14 222,046,444 ADM 175 32 Ships' Record Books Falmouth District - St George.pdf 14/11/2008 11:39 498,126,463 ADM 175 33 Ships' Record Books Falmouth District - St George Achilles Warrior.pdf 16/11/2008 13:56 278,804,628 ADM 175 34 Ships' Record Books Harwich District - Pembroke.pdf 14/11/2008 13:08 531,071,912 ADM 175 35 Ships' Record Books Harwich District - Pembroke Penelope.pdf 17/11/2008 02:24 172,603,332 ADM 175 36 Ships' Record Books Hull District - Cornwallis.pdf 14/11/2008 16:32 288,474,215 ADM 175 37 Ships' Record Books Hull District - Dauntless.pdf 14/11/2008 02:46 246,645,518 ADM 175 38 Ships' Record Books Hull District - Wivern Invincible Audacious Endymion.pdf 16/11/2008 14:19 180,490,647 ADM 175 39 Ships' Record Books Kingstown District - Ajax.pdf 15/11/2008 17:14 210,321,605 ADM 175 4 Establishment Books - England, Southern 1821-1827.- and Cutters.pdf 14/11/2008 17:00 184,052,482 ADM 175 40 Ships' Record Books Kingstown District - Royal George.pdf 14/11/2008 13:44 157,827,075 ADM 175 41 Ships' Record Books Kingstown District - Royal George.pdf 14/11/2008 11:13 86,360,444 ADM 175 42 Ships' Record Books Kingstown District - Kingstown District.pdf 14/11/2008 10:51 388,063,716 ADM 175 43 Ships' Record Books Kingstown District - Pallas Audacious Vanguard Iron Duke.pdf 13/11/2008 23:41 228,793,204 ADM 175 44 Ships' Record Books Kingstown District - Iron Duke Topaze Belleisle.pdf 13/11/2008 23:18 236,037,490 ADM 175 45 Ships' Record Books Kingstown District - Kingstown District.pdf 16/11/2008 14:03 56,210,664 ADM 175 46 Ships' Record Books Leith District - Edinburgh at Leith - Oct 1858 - Feb 1864 .pdf 14/11/2008 16:45 79,934,219 ADM 175 47 Ships' Record Books Leith District - Trafalgar at Leith - Mar 1864 - Jun 1867 and thence to Duncan.pdf 14/11/2008 13:17 79,844,436 ADM 175 48 Ships' Record Books Leith District - Duncan at Leith - Jun 1867 - Feb 1870.pdf 14/11/2008 02:22 130,185,795 ADM 175 49 Ships' Record Books Leith District - Repulse at Leith - Mar 1870 - 20 Mar 1872.pdf 15/11/2008 21:38 339,242,058 ADM 175 5 Establishment Books - England 1826-32.pdf 14/11/2008 02:08 138,784,550 ADM 175 50 Ships' Record Books Leith District - Repulse at Leith - Mar 1870 - 20 Mar 1872 Favorite 21 Mar 1872 - Jun 1875.pdf 14/11/2008 00:13 81,001,731 ADM 175 51 Ships' Record Books Leith District - Favorite at Leith - June 1875 - Oct 1878.pdf 14/11/2008 13:26 105,355,897 ADM 175 52 Ships' Record Books Limerick District - Frederick William at Limerick - Jan 1867 - Aug 1868.pdf 14/11/2008 11:56 251,806,878 ADM 175 53 Ships' Record Books Limerick District - Valiant at Limerick - Sep 1868 - Jun 1873.pdf 14/11/2008 00:39 171,227,959 ADM 175 54 Ships' Record Books Limerick District - Valiant at Limerick - Jul 1873 - Mar 1876.pdf 14/11/2008 00:07 193,910,033 ADM 175 55 Ships' Record Books Limerick District - Valiant at Limerick - Mar 1876 - Jun 1876.pdf 17/11/2008 11:51 72,743,082 ADM 175 56 Ships' Record Books Liverpool District - Hastings at Liverpool - May 1858 - Jan 1860.pdf 14/11/2008 16:41 78,860,657 ADM 175 57 Ships' Record Books Liverpool District - Donegal at Liverpool - Sep 1864 - Jun 1868.pdf 14/11/2008 11:05 105,401,190 ADM 175 58 Ships' Record Books Liverpool District - Donegal at Liverpool - 17 Feb 1869 - 30 Jun 1869 Resistance 1 Jul 1869 - 31 Jun 1873.pdf 14/11/2008 00:22 95,075,304 ADM 175 59 Ships' Record Books Liverpool District - Caledonia at Liverpool - 1 Jul 1878.pdf 16/11/2008 03:46 701,097,937 ADM 175 6 Establishment Books - England - 1828-1848.pdf 13/11/2008 23:49 76,396,819 ADM 175 60 Ships' Record Books Liverpool District - Resistance at Liverpool - 17 May 1877 - 12 Aug 1877.pdf 14/11/2008 12:26 173,763,266 ADM 175 61 Ships' Record Books Lough Swilly District - Trafalgar at Lough Swilly - 1 Jan 1868 - 31 Oct 1869.pdf 16/11/2008 15:16 86,734,299 ADM 175 62 Ships' Record Books Milford District - Blenheim at Milford - 12 Jun 1860 - 31 Aug 1865.pdf 14/11/2008 16:05 89,643,650 ADM 175 63 Ships' Record Books Milford District - Revenge at Milford - 1 Sep 1865 - 16 Feb 1869 trans to Donegal.pdf 16/11/2008 12:54 244,828,640 ADM 175 64 Ships' Record Books Newhaven District - Arrogant at Newhaven to 22 Aug 1859 Dauntless to 31 Mar 1864.pdf The rest to follow Paul 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Eunice, I too have coastguard ancestors in eraly Victorian times, and there are a couple of points that occur to me, although you may find these obvious. Firstly, the coastguard service seems to have avoided landlubbers. My coastguard ancestors had RN or MN pasts and records. Secondly, when we got the coastguard record this gave us a source to compare with the Census records bracketing the same date, and then civil records. Thus we have a coastguard record for the Wirral and a census record for New Brighton naming the same man as a coastguard. The children's baptism records agree with the census and the coastguard record. Thus we are fairly happy that we have the right chap. Graham On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 6:43 AM, Eunice Bold-Edwards via < mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi Maureen > > I too have ancestors who were boatmen, as well as Coastguards, also a > Customs and Excise officer in both Wales and Scotland. I paid National > Archives to search for his records, giving all his details and they sent me > records of a man of the same name from the south of England. > > Where did you look to find your husband's ancestor as I think I need to > search myself? > > Kind regards > Eunice > South Australia > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Maureen Ellen via > Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 1:33 PM > To: Nivard Ovington ; mariners@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [MAR] Boatman ? > > Hi Nivard, > My husband had a boatman ancestor. He served in the coastguard service. It > may be worth checking to see if this applied to your man as there was a lot > of information about him to be found in the coastguard records. > Maureen > From: Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> > To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, 21 September 2015, 0:31 > Subject: [MAR] Boatman ? > > Hi all > > A man married in 1800 in Liverpool, his occupation given as Boatman > > Would this suggest someone working as a mariner or seaman (possibly > between England and Ireland) > > Or someone working on inland waterways, rivers etc > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Maureen I too have ancestors who were boatmen, as well as Coastguards, also a Customs and Excise officer in both Wales and Scotland. I paid National Archives to search for his records, giving all his details and they sent me records of a man of the same name from the south of England. Where did you look to find your husband's ancestor as I think I need to search myself? Kind regards Eunice South Australia -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Ellen via Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 1:33 PM To: Nivard Ovington ; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Boatman ? Hi Nivard, My husband had a boatman ancestor. He served in the coastguard service. It may be worth checking to see if this applied to your man as there was a lot of information about him to be found in the coastguard records. Maureen From: Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 21 September 2015, 0:31 Subject: [MAR] Boatman ? Hi all A man married in 1800 in Liverpool, his occupation given as Boatman Would this suggest someone working as a mariner or seaman (possibly between England and Ireland) Or someone working on inland waterways, rivers etc ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My thanks to those who have replied supplying census and BMD details, I do have all of them for this family, that take me back to the mid 1600’s. I spent a wet Sunday tracking the vessel ‘Regina’ (205 tons owner J. Hills,) using the ‘Shipping Intelligence’ entries in the online newspapers. I know that it was a coal carrier, probably from Sunderland to London. It was in London for the days around the 1871 census, so Anthony COMETTI may well have visited his family and thus been listed with them in the 1871 census. My question remains unanswered, is there more information to be had for those listed in the Apprentice Indentures at Ancestry? If he had broken the agreement and gone to New Zealand in 1872, surely this would be noted on his records. Some of the other index entries had notes for similar events, or of the death of the apprentice. As there was no such entry for Anthony COMETTI, can I safely assume that the subsequent entry for Anthony COMETT age 21, carpenter, on the passenger list for the Lady Jocelyn in 1872 is not him? I welcome your thoughts please. Many thanks Carolyn

Hi Nivard, My husband had a boatman ancestor. He served in the coastguard service. It may be worth checking to see if this applied to your man as there was a lot of information about him to be found in the coastguard records. Maureen    From: Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, 21 September 2015, 0:31 Subject: [MAR] Boatman ? Hi all A man married in 1800 in Liverpool, his occupation given as Boatman Would this suggest someone working as a mariner or seaman (possibly between England and Ireland) Or someone working on inland waterways, rivers etc

Thank you David That tallies with my understanding of the term Of course that all depends upon the informant having the same understanding in 1800 :-) Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 20/09/2015 19:11, David Asprey wrote: > I would say "non seagoing". A place like Liverpool must had hundreds of > boatmen at that time working the various small craft in and around the port. > > David > > On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Nivard Ovington via > <mariners@rootsweb.com <mailto:mariners@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > Hi all > > A man married in 1800 in Liverpool, his occupation given as Boatman > > Would this suggest someone working as a mariner or seaman (possibly > between England and Ireland) > > Or someone working on inland waterways, rivers etc

I would say "non seagoing". A place like Liverpool must had hundreds of boatmen at that time working the various small craft in and around the port. David On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > Hi all > > A man married in 1800 in Liverpool, his occupation given as Boatman > > Would this suggest someone working as a mariner or seaman (possibly > between England and Ireland) > > Or someone working on inland waterways, rivers etc > > -- > Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all A man married in 1800 in Liverpool, his occupation given as Boatman Would this suggest someone working as a mariner or seaman (possibly between England and Ireland) Or someone working on inland waterways, rivers etc -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Hi, there is a John L Shackford in the 1911 census he is 40 and married to Margaret . They have one dau. He says he was b in Southampton , and he is a ship`s steward. There is a marriage on Freebmd and if you got that , it might well show who he is naming as his father .........not always the truth of course. !!! -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Shackford Parkes via Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 3:32 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Captain John L Shackford (1819-1872) of Eastport,moved to St Thomas Trying to learn more about the latter years of Captain John L Shackford. In 1847 he was master of the Brig Carryl which travelled from New York to the West Indies. By the 1860s he had moved from Maine to New York where he was listed in directories as a shipmaster. In Feb 1871 his wife Elizabeth S Clark Shackford filed for divorce stating that he had moved to St Thomas about three years earlier and had told acquaintances that he had married there and had at least one daughter. In Dec 1871 John L Shackford died in St Thomas (seems to be listed as Shuckford in that death record.) Looking for guidance on how to find out more about his shipping career and any thoughts on how to find the name of his wife in St Thomas and/or the names of their children. Specifically trying to learn if a John Lincoln Shackford (1872-1917) was his son who was possibly born after he died. Thanks for any help you may offer. Joanne Shackford Parkes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Hi, in the 1861 he is with his parents Francis,. head, marr , 61, frame maker , b Switzerland, Jane, wife, 47, b Sussex , John, son unm, 17, looking glass silverer, b Sussex, Mary , 11, Francis , 8, Anthony , 6 , the last 3 b London. Francis C married Jane Fleet in 1838 in the Steyning district of Sussex. His father maybe Frank Cometti`s death is recorded at the Holborn district in the Jan 1/4 of 1867. And Jane remarries George Rilatt in the St Pancras district in the Apl 1/4 of 1868. As you say he is as Anthony Rilatt , 16 , carpenter , in the 1871 with George and Jane . If he was then in 1872 enroute for NZ I would imagine that is the end. I can`t see any reason to assume he is Wm Terry Comett. The list may well be able to tell you about the ship Lady Jocelyn . -----Original Message----- From: carogene via Sent: Saturday, September 19, 2015 11:41 PM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] UK Merchant Navy Apprentice Indentures at Ancestry Seeking your help please - I have found my ancestor listed at Ancestry in the recently added UK Apprentices Indentured in the Merchant Navy, and I wonder if there is any further information that I can obtain about him please. My man is Anthony COMETTI born 1855 in London, and I now have three pieces of conflicting information about him: This one dated 21 April 1870, for 4 years on the vessel Regina, 204 tons, at Hartlepool, Master -J. Hills. The 1871 census where he is listed as Antoney ditto under his stepfather’s surname of RILATT, age 16, a carpenter, born in London. Living at 69 Maldon Rd. St Pancras, piece 241, folio 63, page 14. (I have the marriage cert of his mother and stepfather to verify that this is correct.) In 1872 he appears on a passenger list as Anthony COMETT, age 21 carpenter, on the vessel ‘Lady Jocelyn’ bound for Canterbury New Zealand. The next listing is for Wm Terry ditto age 22, carpenter. I have checked earlier census and the free bmd index, but there are no matches for Anthony COMETT age 21, or Wm Terry COMETT age 22. The oral history from him is that he ran away from home as a boy, spent some years at sea, jumped ship in Wellington (no date given). The ship he left was lost with all hands after leaving Wellington, subsequently his family in the UK were told that he had perished at sea. Years later he met some old sailor friends in Wellington, who were amazed to see him as they too thought that he was dead. I have no knowledge of his years at sea, and would love to know more, particularly the name of the ship that was lost with all hands. The first mention of him in Wellington is dated 1884, any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Carolyn in NZ. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Eliz - Thank you very much! John Lincoln Shackford's descendants have this document where John Lincoln Shackford listed a John Shackford as his father. In an earlier document from the 1891 England & Wales Merchant Navy Crew Lists 1861-1913 from the steam ship Orinoco, this John Lincoln Shackford lists his birth location as St Thomas so with two birth locations listed, we assume the earlier document may be more accurate. This document led us to the possibility that his father was Capt John L Shackford (1819-1872) who moved to St Thomas around 1886 abandoning his first wife. This is why we are now trying to learn more about the sailing career of Capt John L Shackford (1819-1871). We've found some newspaper articles listing the Carryl that shows John L Shackford as it's master but then the documentation about which ship he sailed on seems to disappear. Have read that in the 1860s about 4600 ships arrived in St Thomas annually but am unsure how to do more research about sailors or people who lived in St Thomas in the 1868 -1872 timeframe. Joanne -----Original Message----- From: elizgh@btinternet.com [mailto:elizgh@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 8:47 AM To: Joanne Shackford Parkes; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: SHACKFORD Hi, there is a John L Shackford in the 1911 census he is 40 and married to Margaret . They have one dau. He says he was b in Southampton , and he is a ship`s steward. There is a marriage on Freebmd and if you got that , it might well show who he is naming as his father .........not always the truth of course. !!! -----Original Message----- From: Joanne Shackford Parkes via Sent: Sunday, September 20, 2015 3:32 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Captain John L Shackford (1819-1872) of Eastport,moved to St Thomas Trying to learn more about the latter years of Captain John L Shackford. In 1847 he was master of the Brig Carryl which travelled from New York to the West Indies. By the 1860s he had moved from Maine to New York where he was listed in directories as a shipmaster. In Feb 1871 his wife Elizabeth S Clark Shackford filed for divorce stating that he had moved to St Thomas about three years earlier and had told acquaintances that he had married there and had at least one daughter. In Dec 1871 John L Shackford died in St Thomas (seems to be listed as Shuckford in that death record.) Looking for guidance on how to find out more about his shipping career and any thoughts on how to find the name of his wife in St Thomas and/or the names of their children. Specifically trying to learn if a John Lincoln Shackford (1872-1917) was his son who was possibly born after he died. Thanks for any help you may offer. Joanne Shackford Parkes ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Seeking your help please - I have found my ancestor listed at Ancestry in the recently added UK Apprentices Indentured in the Merchant Navy, and I wonder if there is any further information that I can obtain about him please. My man is Anthony COMETTI born 1855 in London, and I now have three pieces of conflicting information about him: This one dated 21 April 1870, for 4 years on the vessel Regina, 204 tons, at Hartlepool, Master -J. Hills. The 1871 census where he is listed as Antoney ditto under his stepfather’s surname of RILATT, age 16, a carpenter, born in London. Living at 69 Maldon Rd. St Pancras, piece 241, folio 63, page 14. (I have the marriage cert of his mother and stepfather to verify that this is correct.) In 1872 he appears on a passenger list as Anthony COMETT, age 21 carpenter, on the vessel ‘Lady Jocelyn’ bound for Canterbury New Zealand. The next listing is for Wm Terry ditto age 22, carpenter. I have checked earlier census and the free bmd index, but there are no matches for Anthony COMETT age 21, or Wm Terry COMETT age 22. The oral history from him is that he ran away from home as a boy, spent some years at sea, jumped ship in Wellington (no date given). The ship he left was lost with all hands after leaving Wellington, subsequently his family in the UK were told that he had perished at sea. Years later he met some old sailor friends in Wellington, who were amazed to see him as they too thought that he was dead. I have no knowledge of his years at sea, and would love to know more, particularly the name of the ship that was lost with all hands. The first mention of him in Wellington is dated 1884, any help would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks Carolyn in NZ.