Hi Adi Thanks for that I have downloaded and started to look through them but the earliest appears to cover 1786 My man appears to have been a master from 1761 to 1766, thereafter is a gap to 1784 thereafter he appears to be a crew rather than master Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 30/09/2015 18:31, Mme_N_Carmichael wrote: > Hello Nivard, > > Do you know the home port of your George Webster's vessels? No matter if > you don't. You can skim through the source below in one evening. > > I don't have a lot of suggestions for your time period, but here's a > longshot. You could pick up some interesting detail on them trawling > National Archives files BT 162/1 and BT 162/2 which are free downloads. > They are very large pdf's but arranged alpha-chrono by port. > > The columns > are: > - > Year and Number of the Certificate of > Registry > - > SHIPS > NAMES > - > Tonnage and how > registered > - > Number of Men and Boys usually > Employed > - > > The Mariners List doesn't accept attachments but since I am replying to > you directly as well as to the list, here is a small sample. > > Regards, > Adi
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Hello Nivard, Do you know the home port of your George Webster's vessels? No matter if you don't. You can skim through the source below in one evening. I don't have a lot of suggestions for your time period, but here's a longshot. You could pick up some interesting detail on them trawling National Archives files BT 162/1 and BT 162/2 which are free downloads. They are very large pdf's but arranged alpha-chrono by port. The columns are: -Year and Number of the Certificate of Registry -SHIPS NAMES -Tonnage and how registered -Number of Men and Boys usually Employed - The Mariners List doesn't accept attachments but since I am replying to you directly as well as to the list, here is a small sample. Regards,Adi From: Nivard Ovington <ovington.one@gmail.com> To: Mme_N_Carmichael <mme_n_carmichael@yahoo.ca>; "mariners@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2015 5:17 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] George WEBSTER 1730 to 1795 master mariner Hi Adi Well in my ignorance I thought Lloyds was Lloyds I had the link http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000549597 bookmarked for a long time but never needed to look at it in any depth..................Are there any other resources to try ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
Hi Adi Well in my ignorance I thought Lloyds was Lloyds I had the link http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000549597 bookmarked for a long time but never needed to look at it in any depth I tried a search for WEBSTER in the years 1761 to 1766 as per the information recently received and found nothing, so tried Hopewell, that got a lengthy list but none appeared to relate to WEBSTER I looked again this morning and this time have found at least two references one as WEBFTER (long S) the other as WEBFLER (this one notes the same detail that it burnt in the Riga road) I do not think I did anything different in my search so why they didn't seem to show the first time around I don't know So retried a search under WEBFTER and found 15 more hits, none appear to have a link though to mine (but hard to say for sure) So will retry some searches, I noticed a general search doesn't get all results, so am now checking a few more years to see what I find I then also looked for Lloyds registers, I found an incomplete run here http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html But so far had little joy with them Are there any other resources to try ? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) On 29/09/2015 22:48, Mme_N_Carmichael wrote: > Hello Nivard, > > When you write that you have "tried Lloyd's", which Lloyd's do you mean? > Lloyd's Register or Lloyd's list (the newspaper)? > > I would try volumes of Lloyd's List online at Hathi Trust, build a > collection of vessel names and then start investigating them. > http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=webster;id=hvd.32044010099042;view=1up;seq=5;start=1;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 > > Regards, > Adi
Hi all I have long had the monumental inscription for my 5th g.grandfather George WEBSTER at Brotton North Yorkshire In memory of George Webster, Master Mariner, who died the 14th of April 1795 aged 65 years. Also Margaret his wife who departed this life January 1832 aged 92 years. And George their son died May 1 1813 aged 29 years Although he does not appear to be buried there But I have just been given the following information which may be on the same George WEBSTER (courtesy of Stephen Baines author of Captain Cooks Merchant Ships) George Webster, Stockton, Seaman, Tryton 1754 (previously on Dispatch of Stockton); Brotton,Seaman, John & Elizabeth, 1755 (& previously); Master, Hopewell, 1761, 1763, 1765; Mark (Marske?), Cook, Martha, 1784-5; Seaman, Mentor, 1788; Seaman/Cook, Pallas, 1789. I have tried Lloyds but I must be looking in the wrong way or place as I have not found him listed About the only other information I found was in the newspapers, the Caledonian Mercury Oct 13 1766, The Hopewell of Whitby, Captain George WEBSTER, is burnt in Riga road, but the crew saved What are my best avenues for research, or can anyone add to the above -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
Hello Nivard, When you write that you have "tried Lloyd's", which Lloyd's do you mean? Lloyd's Register or Lloyd's list (the newspaper)? I would try volumes of Lloyd's List online at Hathi Trust, build a collection of vessel names and then start investigating them.http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt/search?q1=webster;id=hvd.32044010099042;view=1up;seq=5;start=1;sz=10;page=search;orient=0 Regards,Adi From: Nivard Ovington via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: "mariners@rootsweb.com" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 4:55 PM Subject: [MAR] George WEBSTER 1730 to 1795 master mariner Hi all I have long had the monumental inscription for my 5th g.grandfather George WEBSTER at Brotton North Yorkshire In memory of George Webster, Master Mariner, who died the 14th of April 1795 aged 65 years. Also Margaret his wife who departed this life January 1832 aged 92 years. And George their son died May 1 1813 aged 29 years Although he does not appear to be buried there But I have just been given the following information which may be on the same George WEBSTER (courtesy of Stephen Baines author of Captain Cooks Merchant Ships) George Webster, Stockton, Seaman, Tryton 1754 (previously on Dispatch of Stockton); Brotton,Seaman, John & Elizabeth, 1755 (& previously); Master, Hopewell, 1761, 1763, 1765; Mark (Marske?), Cook, Martha, 1784-5; Seaman, Mentor, 1788; Seaman/Cook, Pallas, 1789. I have tried Lloyds but I must be looking in the wrong way or place as I have not found him listed About the only other information I found was in the newspapers, the Caledonian Mercury Oct 13 1766, The Hopewell of Whitby, Captain George WEBSTER, is burnt in Riga road, but the crew saved What are my best avenues for research, or can anyone add to the above -- Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)
Hello again Gideon, Yes! ........ log books are present. | Ref No | 387 CRE/344 | | Title | Fire Queen | | Description | Official number: 49805 Owner: Thomas & James Harrison Foreign going with log books present | | Date | 1865-1876 | | Level | Item | | Access_Conditions | Access will be given to any accredited reader | Regards,Adi From: Gideon Anderson via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: Mariners email <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:30 PM Subject: [MAR] Log or Passenger List Hello List Members Since 1978, I have endeavoured to find out what happened to my Great Grandfather who, according to family history, was lost at sea. Following considerable research and with much help, five ships on which he was a crew member have been located. I now seem to be within reach of information about his death, and am hopeful that someone can advise me on how to proceed. ........ The British Consul in New Orleans wrote in September 1868: “I hereby certify that the within have been sent the 5th September on board of the named steam ship ‘Fire Queen’ as supernumeries to be conveyed to Liverpool”..........As you will appreciate, I need to confirm his arrival in Liverpool on the SS Fire Queen to establish a new starting point in my search. Many thanks. Gideon Anderson. New Zealand
Hello Gideon, Erm .... FIRE QUEEN of Liverpool had ON 49805, not 9805. That little typo got the helpers confused. Her crew list for 1868 is in Liverpool City Library and according to CLIP is also available on Ancestry which you can access for free at many public libraries on their in-house computers. Now ... mind you ... it does not say whether the log from that voyage is also there but you could write to them and ask. Follow my search using these links: 1) http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsnum.php 2) https://books.google.ca/books?id=jOoNAAAAQAAJ&dq=mercantile+navy+list&pg=PA139&output=embed&redir_esc=y 3) https://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/viewcombinedcrews.php?Official_No=49805 4) | *LI | | Liverpool City Libraries *Crew agreements available online at Ancestry William Brown Street Liverpool England L3 8EW Ph: 0151 233 5817 Website: http://liverpool.gov.uk/libraries-and-archives/archives-local-and-family-history/ | Regards,Adi From: Gideon Anderson via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: Mariners email <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 6:30 PM Subject: [MAR] Log or Passenger List Hello List Members Since 1978, I have endeavoured to find out what happened to my Great Grandfather who, according to family history, was lost at sea. Following considerable research and with much help, five ships on which he was a crew member have been located. I now seem to be within reach of information about his death, and am hopeful that someone can advise me on how to proceed. ........ The British Consul in New Orleans wrote in September 1868: “I hereby certify that the within have been sent the 5th September on board of the named steam ship ‘Fire Queen’ as supernumeries to be conveyed to Liverpool”..........As you will appreciate, I need to confirm his arrival in Liverpool on the SS Fire Queen to establish a new starting point in my search. Many thanks. Gideon Anderson. New Zealand
Hi, Many thanks for your reply and information on the SS Fire Queen. The Gideon Anderson (who's death I am searching for) was born in 1826 at Flugath, North Roe (which is at the top of the main island) Shetland. Yes that is him on the “Scotia” in April 1861. He married Elizabeth Hall in December 1851 at Lerwick, five children born, three survived. The search for the reason of death and where seem to now centre around the SS Fire Queen and her voyage September/October 1868. He would be about 42 years of age. Thanks, Gideon.
Many thanks L. Harris and Graham, yes this is the same Gideon Anderson, born at Flugath , North Roe, Shetland. In 1875 his wife, along with three surviving children, left Shetland for New Zealand to join her brother, a baker on the goldfields. The only surviving boy is my grandfather also Gideon Anderson. Confirmation of him being on the SS Fire Queen 5 September – 10 October 1868 is the all important part of a very long search. Gideon Anderson. NZ
Crew Lists as follows held at Memorial University, Newfoundland Ship Norman McLeod Crew List Index Search ResultsSearch results for Crew Lists in the Maritime History Archive Types of Agreements and Accounts page provides an explanation for the codes referring to the crew agreements held at the Maritime History Archive. Official_No:72420 1877:E2 1878:E2 1880:E2 1881:E21882:E2 1883:E2 1884:E2 1886:E2 1887:E2 1888:E2 1891:E2 1893:E2 1894:E2
Many thanks David. Regards, Dave On 27/09/2015 9:34 PM, David Asprey wrote: > SEA RAY etc were US Maritime Commission C3-S-A2 type > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_C3-class_ship > > > David > > On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 7:49 AM, David Dixon via > <mariners@rootsweb.com <mailto:mariners@rootsweb.com>> wrote: > > During WW2 some Victory ships & "Sea"class vessels were used as troop > transports. I am looking for any drawings of the bunks for troops, > access passages from the holds to upper decks, galley & heads. I > would > appreciate any suggestions for a source. The "Sea" class ships > also have > me puzzled, I know of the Victory & Liberty ships, but there seem > to be > a lot of vessels such as the Sea Ray built in the USA in the 40s. > > Regards, > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com > <mailto:MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >
Can we assume that North Roue, Zetland County is the village now spelt North Roe in the far North of the Shetlands ? If not, where is it ? Graham On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 7:04 PM, L Harris via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > There is a merchant seaman named Gideon Anderson born North Roue Zetland > County 17 April 1825 > Ticket Number 251 640 > Seaman > 5 foot 10 inches, brown hair, blue eyes, ruddy complexion, marks - none. > First went to sea in 1844 > When not at sea, resides at North Roue > Royal Navy No Foreign Service No > > Issued at Lerwick March 1845 > > There is a G. Anderson Age 54 died of cholera 20 Nov 1880 > on the vessel Norman McLeod No. 72420 Departure Port Calcutta > > > L Harris > London UK > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
There is a merchant seaman named Gideon Anderson born North Roue Zetland County 17 April 1825 Ticket Number 251 640 Seaman 5 foot 10 inches, brown hair, blue eyes, ruddy complexion, marks - none. First went to sea in 1844 When not at sea, resides at North Roue Royal Navy No Foreign Service No Issued at Lerwick March 1845 There is a G. Anderson Age 54 died of cholera 20 Nov 1880 on the vessel Norman McLeod No. 72420 Departure Port Calcutta L Harris London UK
During WW2 some Victory ships & "Sea"class vessels were used as troop transports. I am looking for any drawings of the bunks for troops, access passages from the holds to upper decks, galley & heads. I would appreciate any suggestions for a source. The "Sea" class ships also have me puzzled, I know of the Victory & Liberty ships, but there seem to be a lot of vessels such as the Sea Ray built in the USA in the 40s. Regards, Dave
Hi, do you happen to know when and where he was born ? there are 6 Gideon Andersons in the Scottish census for 1871 . Their dates of birth range from 1813 - 1856 . Four are living in the Shetlands and two in Edinburgh . In the 1851 census there is a Gideon Anderson on board the Scotia , on the night of April 7th 1861 , he is married, 34 and born North Roe, Shetland. SS Fire Queen was built in 1864 for Thomas Hunter Pile of West Hartlepool ,and was owned by T Harrison of Liverpool from 1866 - 1879. In the Shetland Times of February 1878 there is a notice of a marriage between Gideon Anderson , of North Roe, and Barbara , elder dau of Scott Ratter .seaman , of Lochend, at Newtown, Lerwick . I see there was a William Ratter discharged at the same time as Gideon Anderson . -----Original Message----- From: Gideon Anderson via Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 11:30 PM To: Mariners email Subject: [MAR] Log or Passenger List Hello List Members Since 1978, I have endeavoured to find out what happened to my Great Grandfather who, according to family history, was lost at sea. Following considerable research and with much help, five ships on which he was a crew member have been located. I now seem to be within reach of information about his death, and am hopeful that someone can advise me on how to proceed. Seaman Anderson signed on as a crew member on the ship Monteagle No. 1907, sailing from Liverpool on 31 March 1868. The ship eventually arrived in Pensacola, USA on 18 August 1868. On 20 August, along with 10 other seamen, he was removed from the Monteagle. The Monteagle ship’s log states on 20 August 1868 Pensacola “ At noon I called the following men aft whose names are here inserted, told them I would settle their wages up to yesterday the 19th and pay their passage from here to New Orleans, also they would get a letter to the English Consul there to get them employment. Signed Master John Ryan. Their answer was that they would not accept my offer, they would have me send them to England. As the men would not go on the voyage in the ship, would not have settlement and go on shore, I had to have them removed by the Police advise by the Consul to make room for another crew which I was shipping” The seamen discharged were: William Ratter, Thomas Smith, George Leask, Nicol Smith, Gideon Anderson, John Inkster, Robert Robertson, John Huston, Andrew Manson, Samuel Smith. The British Vice Consul at Pensacola wrote on 10 September 1868: ‘I hereby certify that in consequence of a change in voyage the within men claimed their discharge to which they were entitled which I sanctioned. They were sent to New Orleans,La. There provided with passage home that they refused the amount of wages due them although tendered repeatedly and that amount is therefore yet due them. The balance of seamen mentioned reshipped. Wages due them paid in full” The British Consul in New Orleans wrote in September 1868: “I hereby certify that the within have been sent the 5th September on board of the named steam ship ‘Fire Queen’ as supernumeries to be conveyed to Liverpool” >From the ship’s log and Consul records, Anderson along with 9 other seamen were sent on board the SS Fire Queen. (The Fire Queen ON 9805 left Liverpool 3 July 1868, left New Orleans 5 September, arrived Havana, Cuba, 10 September and arrived back at Liverpool 10 October 1868. It is recorded as having elegant passenger accommodation and a superior ship in every respect. Liverpool and Southern Steamship Company.) As you will appreciate, I need to confirm his arrival in Liverpool on the SS Fire Queen to establish a new starting point in my search. This would remove any doubt that he did not sail from New Orleans, did not leave the ship at Havana, or died during the voyage. Is there any way of finding lists or log records of passengers or supernumeries either during this voyage?. Many thanks. Gideon Anderson. New Zealand ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
SEA RAY etc were US Maritime Commission C3-S-A2 type https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_C3-class_ship David On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 7:49 AM, David Dixon via <mariners@rootsweb.com> wrote: > During WW2 some Victory ships & "Sea"class vessels were used as troop > transports. I am looking for any drawings of the bunks for troops, > access passages from the holds to upper decks, galley & heads. I would > appreciate any suggestions for a source. The "Sea" class ships also have > me puzzled, I know of the Victory & Liberty ships, but there seem to be > a lot of vessels such as the Sea Ray built in the USA in the 40s. > > Regards, > Dave > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Hello List Members Since 1978, I have endeavoured to find out what happened to my Great Grandfather who, according to family history, was lost at sea. Following considerable research and with much help, five ships on which he was a crew member have been located. I now seem to be within reach of information about his death, and am hopeful that someone can advise me on how to proceed. Seaman Anderson signed on as a crew member on the ship Monteagle No. 1907, sailing from Liverpool on 31 March 1868. The ship eventually arrived in Pensacola, USA on 18 August 1868. On 20 August, along with 10 other seamen, he was removed from the Monteagle. The Monteagle ship’s log states on 20 August 1868 Pensacola “ At noon I called the following men aft whose names are here inserted, told them I would settle their wages up to yesterday the 19th and pay their passage from here to New Orleans, also they would get a letter to the English Consul there to get them employment. Signed Master John Ryan. Their answer was that they would not accept my offer, they would have me send them to England. As the men would not go on the voyage in the ship, would not have settlement and go on shore, I had to have them removed by the Police advise by the Consul to make room for another crew which I was shipping” The seamen discharged were: William Ratter, Thomas Smith, George Leask, Nicol Smith, Gideon Anderson, John Inkster, Robert Robertson, John Huston, Andrew Manson, Samuel Smith. The British Vice Consul at Pensacola wrote on 10 September 1868: ‘I hereby certify that in consequence of a change in voyage the within men claimed their discharge to which they were entitled which I sanctioned. They were sent to New Orleans,La. There provided with passage home that they refused the amount of wages due them although tendered repeatedly and that amount is therefore yet due them. The balance of seamen mentioned reshipped. Wages due them paid in full” The British Consul in New Orleans wrote in September 1868: “I hereby certify that the within have been sent the 5th September on board of the named steam ship ‘Fire Queen’ as supernumeries to be conveyed to Liverpool” >From the ship’s log and Consul records, Anderson along with 9 other seamen were sent on board the SS Fire Queen. (The Fire Queen ON 9805 left Liverpool 3 July 1868, left New Orleans 5 September, arrived Havana, Cuba, 10 September and arrived back at Liverpool 10 October 1868. It is recorded as having elegant passenger accommodation and a superior ship in every respect. Liverpool and Southern Steamship Company.) As you will appreciate, I need to confirm his arrival in Liverpool on the SS Fire Queen to establish a new starting point in my search. This would remove any doubt that he did not sail from New Orleans, did not leave the ship at Havana, or died during the voyage. Is there any way of finding lists or log records of passengers or supernumeries either during this voyage?. Many thanks. Gideon Anderson. New Zealand
Hello again, Jenny, Here's a bit more, further to my reply of earlier tonight. That alpha prefix "CHT" before the certificate number of Patrick Diggins, b. 1830 County Waterford, stands for Captain - Home Trade only (as opposed to plain "C" meaning Captain - Home Trade AND Foreign-Going. Regards,Adi From: ROBBOSGIRL via <mariners@rootsweb.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 7:30 PM Subject: [MAR] Diggins Waterford Looking for mariners channel pilots living at Dunmore East Waterford Ireland by name of Diggins There were a few of them in the family around 1800 to middle of century Patrick and John Two of them John and Patrick ended up in Cardiff area as Channel pilots Cant seem to find much info on them Need help please ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message