No those are just "inwards passengers lists" - lists of people arriving aboard ships at Sydney. You want the records of the engagement and discharge of crew, alias "crew agreements" for these vessels. You can read about them here: http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/crewlist.php and here http://brew.clients.ch/crewagmt.htm#Crew Agreements - the latter tells you a lot about what you can find. I've had a look at your ONs though and none of them score hits during the time you're interested in as far as British archives and Newfoundland are concerned. Which I suppose isn't odd considering that he never went to a UK port so the papers wouldn't have had to be handed in there. Presumably colonial vessels (which were counted as British ships) which never went to Europe filed their paperwork locally. I found a page on the NSW archives site which suggests to me that crew agreements may have been filed with the state of origin see http://tinyurl.com/3q3pctq (go down to the section about "engagement and discharge of crew"). Browsing further in the site, it appears that the Shipping Master's Office for the relevant state may be the place you need to dig around http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=\Agency\3519 If voyages BEGAN in Tasmania, then the Tasmanian archives claim to have copies of many crew agreements: http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/guides/list/bg021 (not a very user-friendly website - see under the heading "Employment"): "Information on crews engaged on ships trading out of the Port of Hobart can be found among the records of the Hobart Marine Board and the Customs Department. There are registers of crew engaged on various vessels for the period 1861 - 1899 [MB2/4] and a register of crew discharged from various vessels 1856 - 1918 [MB2/35]. There is also a large series of agreements between masters of many vessels and crews signed on at Hobart, 1846 - 1935 [MB2/33]." Clearly if voyages began in a different state, that state would be the one to look for the stuff in. If there were two wrecks in Tasmanian waters, I would not be surprised if there had been Inquiries held by the local Marine Board. See http://www.archives.tas.gov.au/guides/list/bg019 heading "Maritime". If you know where the vessels were registered, the Marine Board or customs office may have further information about ownership. Hopefully there'll be a useful line of enquiry somewhere in these suggestions! Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: Paul Booth [mailto:peebooth@mac.com] Sent: 01 April 2011 11:12 To: Piers Smith-Cresswell Cc: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hello Piers, I have a few crew lists from 'http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au' but can't see a certificate number on these. Are there other crew lists I should be searching for? Or perhaps they aren't on the scanned sections? Thanks, Paul On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > > > Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be > stated on > a crew list if you've got one of them.

Hello list. Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick Booth. 1864-1867 ‘Dolphin’ #48398 1867 ‘Moyne’ #48267 1967-1870 ‘Sarah’ # 31908 1871 ‘The Peveril’ 1871-1881 ‘Sarah Ann’ # 42983 1882 ‘Alexandra’ Of the 6 ships, the ‘Moyne’ and ‘Dolphin’ are notable in that they where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to find on Captain John Frederick booth is from ‘The Argus (Melbourne, Vic)’ Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner ‘Dolphin’ from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. Was there a ‘central registrar’ of Captains anywhere? What should my next step be? At this stage I’m not in a position to search any archives, save for the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum in Sydney is on the cards too. Any advice is welcome. Cheers, Paul

Have you tried the Guildhall Library? http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capintro.htm R

Hi Paul Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be stated on a crew list if you've got one of them. If so, try the NMM in London to see if they have information on his early career from his application: see http://tinyurl.com/r4kwdg . They're on email but they will want the certificate number. You may need to get your skates on because the library is closed for a move from 21st April until sometime in July and they say they won't be responding to enquiries over that time. Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Booth Sent: 01 April 2011 04:00 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hello list. Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick Booth. 1864-1867 'Dolphin' #48398 1867 'Moyne' #48267 1967-1870 'Sarah' # 31908 1871 'The Peveril' 1871-1881 'Sarah Ann' # 42983 1882 'Alexandra' Of the 6 ships, the 'Moyne' and 'Dolphin' are notable in that they where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to find on Captain John Frederick booth is from 'The Argus (Melbourne, Vic)' Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner 'Dolphin' from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. Was there a 'central registrar' of Captains anywhere? What should my next step be? At this stage I'm not in a position to search any archives, save for the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum in Sydney is on the cards too. Any advice is welcome. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

on 30 Mar 2011 Joe McMillan wrote Can anyone tell me the owners of the LOCH ARD [built 1955 for David MacBrayne--Glasgow ] as portrayed on the Clydesite database with a blue funnel with a yellow stripe a white disc with a blue letter S,and the period in which she carried these markings.It still has the name LOCH ARD and the port of registry as Glasgow on the stern. Any help in solving this puzzle would be most appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suspect that this is taken in 1971, just after her sale by MacBrayne to Zotel Compania Naviera SA, Panama, just before her renamiing as HOLBORN. 1970s Lloyd's Register should show manager or agent which might indicate the significance of the "S". David

Greetings... Many of us .....and I myself am hugely guilty in this....we take things for granted. As for instance we go to the store to buy food....well we "expect" such and such items to be on the shelves....we are not concerned with how it "gets to the shelf"....we just expect it to be there!!!! This brings me to a related subject.....the huge river in more or less the middle of the U.S..... If you've ever stood on the banks of this huge muddy creek you'll soon see the amount of "traffic" that goes up and down this waterway...hauling goods to us northerners......I refer to it as "Drive time or rush hour" something like New York Mid-Town at 5 p.m. Ok.....so...what happens when this "waterway" gets shut down in this modern day world....hmmmmmmmmm...you would not believe.... A ship goes down.....loss of life does take place....and yet individuals voice that due to this accident...they are more concerned over missing an appointment due to a bridge out....or diverted in some way due to this tragic event. Well this is what happened when the Lee III went down in the Mississippi River. I posted a link to the story on my blog.....so if you'd care to give this a gander you can do so by clicking on this: http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ once at the blog site...just click on the link and it will open for you... Well hope you all enjoy the article.....and better yet...make sure you enjoy your day. I'm going to bake up some "Wheat/Rye/Caraway Seeded Breads"....that should get this ole house smelling "Yummie".....then I'm going to consider whipping up some Buttermilk Cupcakes filled with a 'cherry filling'...these should fill the bill for someone dropping by for a "cup of joe" in front of the fire and a "taste of sugar"... Hey...y'all enjoy "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

Hi, Can anyone tell me the owners of the LOCH ARD [built 1955 for David MacBrayne--Glasgow ] as portrayed on the Clydesite database with a blue funnel with a yellow stripe a white disc with a blue letter S,and the period in which she carried these markings.It still has the name LOCH ARD and the port of registry as Glasgow on the stern. Any help in solving this puzzle would be most appreciated. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Greetings to the List, Well........my goodness, I do believe 'Spring' is in the air....Mr. R.J. [or better referred to as "Cat Stud of the Neighborhood]...has come to life after his "week-end romantic ordeal"..... [normally he does not move until early Thurs mornings].... Now why wasen't I born to be a 'cat'???...Hmmmm...go figure!!! Ok...well hopefully y'all now have a smile and your ready to greet the day. You've possibly recall that on occasion I will refer to what is called the "CalShip Logs" These were by-monthly "News-Letters" that was published at a California Ship yard that produced Liberty ships....some what of a "Gossip Sheet" of what was going on at "The Yard".... Well they are fairly "rare" ...most of them ...if not all..... are archived away in facilities that most of us can't get at or care enough to do so. Anyway....I own, along with another gentleman "Mr. Layton"...a few copies of these "CalShip Logs"... I just posted one of them on my blog site http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ about the launching of the SS Thomas Paine.....a "liberty ship" It is posted on the left side of the blog...at the top....just click on the pic to view the complete "Calship Log"....actually they are pretty neat to read .... Hope you enjoy "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

Keith, This is the mariners web site. Jim --- On Mon, 28/3/11, mariners-request@rootsweb.com <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: mariners-request@rootsweb.com <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 96 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 28 March, 2011, 8:00 Today's Topics:    1. Re: Sea Breezes (Mick)    2. Burials at sea (John P Laws)    3. Re: Burials at sea (Marg M) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2011 14:42:34 +0100 From: "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Subject: Re: [MAR] Sea Breezes To: "Mariners" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8715343EF5E84199BCEA09C3986DE95B@westeire> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" There is a batch of SEA BREEZES dating 1936-1939,  22 issues for auction on EBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390300125533&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123#shId The seller is in the USA so postage may be expensive . Auction ends tomorrow Mick O Rourke   ----- Original Message -----   From: Ted Finch   To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com   Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:49 PM   Subject: [MAR] Sea Breezes ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 00:12:05 +0100 From: "John P Laws" <johnplaws@f2s.com> Subject: [MAR] Burials at sea To: "'Mariners'" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000001cbecd4$63acec10$2b06c430$@com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" I am led to believe Dorethy Madelaine Beryl Toft LAW died en route from Brisbane to England 1967, and was buried at sea. Is that likely I should have thought her corpse would be buried either in the port of arrival or at some place nominated by her next of kin, if any! Can readers please advise? John P Laws Registrar LAWS FAMILY REGISTER registrar@lawsfamilyregister.org.uk ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2011 11:55:02 +1100 From: "Marg M" <genknut@exemail.com.au> Subject: Re: [MAR] Burials at sea To: "John P Laws" <johnplaws@f2s.com>, "'Mariners'"     <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <3A8D2374B48345C88B758F80F8C73966@Owner> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";     reply-type=original ----- Original Message ----- From: "John P Laws" <johnplaws@f2s.com> To: "'Mariners'" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM Subject: [MAR] Burials at sea >I am led to believe Dorethy Madelaine Beryl Toft LAW died en route from > Brisbane to England 1967, and was buried at sea. Is that likely I should > have thought her corpse would be buried either in the port of arrival or > at > some place nominated by her next of kin, if any! > > Hi John Depends what she died off , perhaps ? Appears this lady was born in Brisbane 1896 .............  Her first name is DOROTHY Ancestry have Australian electoral rolls 1903 - 1954 on line for some States including Qld . Unsure why but this lady appears only in 1954 living in the city of Brisbane, occ. secretary .  So I asked Google ! Google knows of 2 refs that lead to same person Bye                  MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW              Australia ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 96 ***************************************

Well I've had a few individuals send me a mailing on "Gooseberries....Mulberries...etc...etc..." and I'd have to say it is somewhat foggy on just what is called "what".... So...I posted another link to an old archived article that I done back in 2007....about D-Days Secret Weapons... The article pretty much explains all the above...and sorts out what was "what"... So....it your in wonderment of Mulberries, Whales, Gooseberries, Phoenix...and yes even a Pluto...it is all in this article. The link is posted on my blog: http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ So....just click on and you'll see the "link" as well as a few more links to another new one on the "The Unbroken Bond" Hope you all enjoy. "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

Greetings......Well folks I posted another link to a short article on my blog. Now the article is not a lengthy document .....it is just a short 'Thumbnail' of history on the LST....and to help spur your thoughts of "If the LST lead us to what we have today....my goodness....what will the design of the future be????" Anyway....if you have a swallow or two of coffee in the ole 'mug' and your tired of reading about how high the gas prices are going to go...well you may wish to give this one a "going over".... Title is: LST Otherwise Known as....LARGE SLOW TARGET....and you can click on this: http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ or click on the link below my name (in Red)...and it will take you to the blog....and the link. Ok....well it is back to baking more "Buttermilk Bread"....for the masses.....while y'all are dwelling over that last sip of coffee and if "Should I read or shouldn't I???".... Y'all enjoy "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

Registers of Births and Deaths at Sea: 1965 to present day These records are held at the Registry of Shipping and Seamen. A search may be made in these registers for the fee of £11. The Registry of Shipping MCA Cardiff Anchor Court Ocean Way Cardiff CF24 5JW Tel +44 (0)29 20 448800 Fax +44 (0)29 20 448820 E-mail rss@mcga.gov.uk web www.mcga.gov.uk Deaths at Sea: Merchant Seamen and Passengers The registers of deaths at sea are public documents and are open for inspection. They are a source of the name; rank and occupation; age and date of birth; address; date, cause and place of death; name, official number and port of registry of ship. The Registry of Shipping currently holds registers of Births and Deaths at Sea dating from 1965 to present day. Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

Greetings.... I've posted a link to a new article on my blog....the title of it is: GHOST SHIPS OF NORMANDY.....so if your in for a tad of reading a few pages on the forming up of the "Gooseberry" and what the 'Merchant seaman' went through in the process of 'forming up' this 'breakwater'....I think you'll come away with just a tad of understanding on what these guys were dealing with to get these "Gooseberries" formed on D-Day....and as I'm sure you know there was more than one of these instant 'breakwaters' constructed.....yep....an astonishing feet!!! So....if you so wish you can just click on this http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ or the link below my name at the end of this mailing. As an aside.....Mr. R.J. has returned from his romantic weekend fling.....Oh yes, resting comfortably!!!! I'm baking "buttermilk breads" and "buttermilk rolls"....'cloverleaf as well as pan rolls'.... So....if any of you are passing through good ole Fort Wayne, Inidiana....please stop and I'll load you up with "buttermilk bake goods".....I am overloaded. Hey...y'all enjoy.... "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

----- Original Message ----- From: "John P Laws" <johnplaws@f2s.com> To: "'Mariners'" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 10:12 AM Subject: [MAR] Burials at sea >I am led to believe Dorethy Madelaine Beryl Toft LAW died en route from > Brisbane to England 1967, and was buried at sea. Is that likely I should > have thought her corpse would be buried either in the port of arrival or > at > some place nominated by her next of kin, if any! > > Hi John Depends what she died off , perhaps ? Appears this lady was born in Brisbane 1896 ............. Her first name is DOROTHY Ancestry have Australian electoral rolls 1903 - 1954 on line for some States including Qld . Unsure why but this lady appears only in 1954 living in the city of Brisbane, occ. secretary . So I asked Google ! Google knows of 2 refs that lead to same person Bye MargM Beautiful Central Coast of NSW Australia

I am led to believe Dorethy Madelaine Beryl Toft LAW died en route from Brisbane to England 1967, and was buried at sea. Is that likely I should have thought her corpse would be buried either in the port of arrival or at some place nominated by her next of kin, if any! Can readers please advise? John P Laws Registrar LAWS FAMILY REGISTER registrar@lawsfamilyregister.org.uk

There is a batch of SEA BREEZES dating 1936-1939, 22 issues for auction on EBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390300125533&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123#shId The seller is in the USA so postage may be expensive . Auction ends tomorrow Mick O Rourke ----- Original Message ----- From: Ted Finch To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 12:49 PM Subject: [MAR] Sea Breezes

I have just been shown this from someone and wondered if it may be of use here The documents photographs below cover British prisoners held in the United States due to the War of 1812. This includes not only Army and Navy prisoners but also those taken on merchant vessels and privateers. http://www.1812privateers.org/GB/prisoners.htm also you can search for merchant ships and privateers with a unique list of Lloyd's List marine news for the war. http://www.1812privateers.org/Bibliography/Bibliography.htm Edna Palmer

Hi Ted, As I am not familiar with these volumes - what sort of information are they likely to contain? Is it vessels, voyages and what they are transporting or sailors? If it does have information from the 19th century - is there anything on the "Choice" of Dundee. I have family members who were on this around 1830-1855 and would be interested in its voyages, any repairs, or cargo. Other vessels, also registered at Dundee are "William" & "Daisy" Thank you so much for wonderful offer. Regards Pat -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Ted Finch Sent: Friday, 25 March 2011 10:49 PM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Sea Breezes Hi List, I have just purchased a pre-war series of Sea Breezes, (P.S.N.C. magazine) vols 1 - 20, 1920 - 1936 These are from Basil Lubbock's own library and contain a wealth of information on 19th / 20th century sailing ships. I will be happy to do look ups for anyone interested. regards Ted ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I see from news reports early in 1883 he was brought before the court in Dublin, his claims were dismissed as he was on a voyage to Swansea at the time of the attack on board the Ibex. Bit of a fruit cake I think, but an interesting story. Thanks. Mick ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Richards To: Mick ; Mariners Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] An unusual reason to leave the ship

Hi Paul Brian Lavery's "Nelson's Navy" has a chapter on RM uniforms. Officers had to provide their own uniforms to a standard pattern based on that of the army, with blue facings from 1802. Lavery states that captains and subalterns wore a single epaulette on the right shoulder (as in your pictures) - however a few pages earlier there's a drawing showing captains having TWO! So it's difficult to know which is correct. From 1810, apparently captains had bullion fringes on the epaulette, whereas subalterns had plain fringes. Its difficult to say what these guys are wearing. Lavery doesn't mention collar decorations although I would have thought that they would be significant. The chap in the lower picture appears to have more decoration to his collar whereas his companion just seems to have a plain button. Sorry I can't be more definite. Perhaps an enquiry to www.royalmarinesmuseum.co.uk at Southsea (see enquiry forms on the web site) would get a positive identification? Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Benyon Sent: 25 March 2011 15:00 To: Mariners List Subject: [MAR] Identifying Rank of Royal Marines Officers Trying to identify the ranks of 2 Royal Marines officers I've been sent 2 photos of portraits of what are thought to be Royal Marine officers, probably from the early decades of the19th Century, which can be seen at : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Temp/Temp.html#top ...... List member Jackie adds I have 2 photos of portraits taken of I believe, RMarines. Apparently they are not wearing their dress uniforms, but their dress down uniforms. .. I believe one is a first Lt and one is a second Lt. Should be grateful for any help. I would guess that the arrangement of the buttons down the front may give us some clues, along with the markings on the collar, but I don't have any information which will help me decode what we are seeing. Regards Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message