Dear Listers, I have recently been sent a transcript of a diary of a crewman aboard the Carmanian, a Workington sailing ship. The diary refers to "Neptune coming aboard" on the 23rd March 1900, when the ship was bound from New York (departed 18th February) for Hong Kong (arrived 9th July). Coincidentally, a photograph of a "Crossing the Line" ceremony aboard the Carmanian has been published by the Newcastle NSW Museum, but with no date given. http://collections.ncc.nsw.gov.au/keemu/pages/nrm/Display.php?irn=28789&QueryPage=%2Fkeemu%2Fpages%2Fnrm%2FQuery.php <http://collections.ncc.nsw.gov.au/keemu/pages/nrm/Display.php?irn=28789&QueryPage=%2Fkeemu%2Fpages%2Fnrm%2FQuery.php> I am trying to tie the diary to the photo. The sender of the diary has a different photo of the Carmanian's crew at San Francisco in December 1900, and clearly some people are in both photos. http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/marhist/gallery/wkton/carmanian_crew_1900.jpg What interests me is that three of the people in the "Crossing the Line" photo have numbers drawn on their shirts, 44, 45 and 46. Could this be the lines of Longitude where the Equator was crossed - 45 W, just off the coast of Brazil ? This would make sense in terms of time and sailing ship routes, and would mean that the photo could be tied to the diary. Could any Mariners familar with the age old ritual confirm this is the meaning of the numbers? Or provide explanations for other features in the photo, such as the blackened faces, the objects being held, or why some are in turbans. Or explain why, since the woman on the gallery is clearly a woman, Mrs.Neptune is played by, judging by the moustache, a sailor ? Best Wishes, Tim Latham www.mightyseas.co.uk Regards..........Len

I have an uncle who was drowned in the River Plate at San Nicolas Roads in 1934. I have copies of the accident report, articles, personal effects list etc but there is no mention of his body ever being recovered. Does anyone have any ideas on where this information might be held? Don

Hi Tim... I do not have answers to your questions but you have raised a topic that is quite fascinating. There are many spell-binding tales of Crossing the Equator Ceremonies. I suspect that planning the ceremony was a good way to pass the time on long voyages and it was certainly a rite of passage for travellers. You and the listers may enjoy visiting Google Images and doing a search on 'Crossing the Equator Certificates". King Neptune and a captivating collection of beautifully rendered, fanciful graphics await you. It was a grey, dreaky day on the West Coast of British Columbia, and I would far rather have been Crossing the Line to sunnier climes than puddle-jumping around here! Barbara in Vancouver -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tim Latham Sent: April 4, 2011 4:02 PM To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Crossing the Line in the Carmanian Dear Listers, I have recently been sent a transcript of a diary of a crewman aboard the Carmanian, a Workington sailing ship. The diary refers to "Neptune coming aboard" on the 23rd March 1900, when the ship was bound from New York (departed 18th February) for Hong Kong (arrived 9th July). Coincidentally, a photograph of a "Crossing the Line" ceremony aboard the Carmanian has been published by the Newcastle NSW Museum, but with no date given. http://collections.ncc.nsw.gov.au/keemu/pages/nrm/Display.php?irn=28789&Quer yPage=%2Fkeemu%2Fpages%2Fnrm%2FQuery.php <http://collections.ncc.nsw.gov.au/keemu/pages/nrm/Display.php?irn=28789&Que ryPage=%2Fkeemu%2Fpages%2Fnrm%2FQuery.php> I am trying to tie the diary to the photo. The sender of the diary has a different photo of the Carmanian's crew at San Francisco in December 1900, and clearly some people are in both photos. http://www.mightyseas.co.uk/marhist/gallery/wkton/carmanian_crew_1900.jpg What interests me is that three of the people in the "Crossing the Line" photo have numbers drawn on their shirts, 44, 45 and 46. Could this be the lines of Longitude where the Equator was crossed - 45 W, just off the coast of Brazil ? This would make sense in terms of time and sailing ship routes, and would mean that the photo could be tied to the diary. Could any Mariners familar with the age old ritual confirm this is the meaning of the numbers? Or provide explanations for other features in the photo, such as the blackened faces, the objects being held, or why some are in turbans. Or explain why, since the woman on the gallery is clearly a woman, Mrs.Neptune is played by, judging by the moustache, a sailor ? Best Wishes, Tim Latham www.mightyseas.co.uk Regards..........Len ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

From: Christine Roderick Tel: 01709 739880 Mobile 07746813733 --- On Mon, 4/4/11, mariners-request@rootsweb.com <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> wrote: From: mariners-request@rootsweb.com <mariners-request@rootsweb.com> Subject: MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 104 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Date: Monday, 4 April, 2011, 8:00 Today's Topics:    1. Thomas SCOTT, HMS Lowestoff. died Port Royal 1777 (YvonnePurdy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2011 11:28:45 +0100 From: "YvonnePurdy" <von@yvonnepurdy.free-online.co.uk> Subject: [MAR] Thomas SCOTT, HMS Lowestoff. died Port Royal 1777 To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <8B17BBDFD4FA41E79281A198CA4EBF23@FAMILY2> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" Hi all, I'm trying to find out where I can find more about the death/burial of Thomas Scott.  I have a record showing: This is to certify it appears by the Book of His Majesty's Ship Lowestoff that Thomas Scott Surgeon's Mate (or Surgeon & Mate-YP) died the seventh day of November One Thousand Seven hundred and Seventy Seven at Port Royal Hospital. Dated at the Navy Office 26 June 1779 W. Palmer  R. Semple Geo. Marsh Also, is there anywhere I can find his service records?  Any help appreciated. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy ------------------------------ To contact the MARINERS list administrator, send an email to MARINERS-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the MARINERS mailing list, send an email to MARINERS@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of MARINERS Digest, Vol 6, Issue 104 ****************************************

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Thanks Hella, heading to the Vaughan Evans Library on Wednesday - 10AM!. Will let the list know how I progressed. P. On Apr 2, 2011, at 8:55 PM, menke-voigt wrote: > Hello Paul, > > Perhaps you know already: At the the 'Vaughan Evans Library' they > hold the > 'Lloyd's Lists' with an 'Index'. You can look for you requested > ship(sorted > by Year, and Master). Then you can track down the whole voyage.

Hi all, I'm trying to find out where I can find more about the death/burial of Thomas Scott. I have a record showing: This is to certify it appears by the Book of His Majesty's Ship Lowestoff that Thomas Scott Surgeon's Mate (or Surgeon & Mate-YP) died the seventh day of November One Thousand Seven hundred and Seventy Seven at Port Royal Hospital. Dated at the Navy Office 26 June 1779 W. Palmer R. Semple Geo. Marsh Also, is there anywhere I can find his service records? Any help appreciated. Kind regards, Yvonne Purdy

Ahh, thanks for that information about the crew lists. All leads are great and am beginning to compile a list of 'things to do in Melbourne and Hobart', as I think this is where most of the voyages began. As for the marine board, I found this interesting titbit from The Mercury (Hobart, Tas), Monday 16 January 1871 'THE master of the brig Sarah, John F Booth, has reported the loss of his vessel to the Steam Navigation Board. The vessel was on her voyage from the Clarence River to this port, laden with a cargo of maize. When off Crescent Head NSW, on the 24th ult, notwithstanding all exertions being made, she was lost, and the crew saved their lives with difficulty. This was to have been a subject of inquiry before the Board yesterday. The Board called upon the master to be present, but. in the absence of the crew could not proceed with the investigation.' Thanks, Paul

Greetings! My dad served as skipper of the HMSAS Oostewal from around March 1943 until the end of the war with a brief break as skipper of the HMSAS Natalia. Does anyone know how I might find out where these two ships were stationed. My dad's service record states that he served in the Atlantic, Mediterranean and Indian Ocean theatres during the war but the service record has very little in it apart from pay records and attestation papers. Neville Rasmussen

Greetings! My father was an apprentice with Bullard King upon his leaving the General Botha training ship. He served a three year apprentiship with them. Anyone kow if records of such apprentiships were kept and where I might find this information and also if the ships he served on during this period might be listed? Neville Rasmussen

Hello List: The obituary for the Master Mariner I'm researching ~ Captain William Kelly (1811-1877) ~ states that "when he retired from the sea, he was shore manager for Mr. James Beasley of Liverpool." Beasley was a well known ship owner of the time, and Kelly sailed a number of Beasley ships including MARY CARSON, MILES BARTON and MERRIE ENGLAND. In fact, Kelly appears to have bought MERRIE ENGLAND from Beasley in 1867 and was her owner when she foundered off Cape Horn in 1871. My question ~ Does anyone know anything about shore managers in Liverpool in the 1860s? What were their duties and responsibilites? Are there surviving records that would cast some light on Kelly's activities as shore manager for Beasley? Thanks very much. Harold Bradley Alamo, CA

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Doreen Jackson <dorich40@yahoo.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 2 April, 2011 6:14:26 Subject: Marine Engineers/North & South Shields Dear Listers, I would like to thank everyone who responded so readily to my mail re: ancestor,s apprenticeship.  I have not found him yet, but have a lot of possibilities to chase up. Doreen

Thanks, had a look at the list and none of the names seemed to match. There is probably some misinformation on my end... further research required as I think my birth dates and locations are perhaps flawed. I'm hoping that a trip to the Library at the Maritime Museum on Wednesday will help solidify some of these separate elements. I know that the Dolphin was insured for 200 pounds, so there may be a lead there (although not to Lloyds) Thanks, Paul On Apr 1, 2011, at 9:20 PM, robin@scottishwool.com wrote: > Have you tried the Guildhall Library? > http://www.history.ac.uk/gh/capintro.htm > > R > >

Hello Piers, I have a few crew lists from 'http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au' but can't see a certificate number on these. Are there other crew lists I should be searching for? Or perhaps they aren't on the scanned sections? Thanks, Paul On Apr 1, 2011, at 8:01 PM, Piers Smith-Cresswell wrote: > > > Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be > stated on > a crew list if you've got one of them.

Dear List, This is my first foray onto the list, and I am hoping that you will be able to offer some advice to a novice maritime researcher. My ancestor, William Edmund (sometimes Edmond) HILL, claims to have been a "Master Mariner" in the first half of the 19th Century. This appears on his children's baptism entries and on his will. He seems to have died sometime between January 1832 (when his will was written), and March 1840 (when his will was proved). I have two questions: Firstly, in general, where can I look to find more details? There appears to be masses of records after 1845 / 1851, but very little before 1840, and I am stuck as to where and how to start. Secondly, he married in 1821. His bride was aged 21 or 22. Given that he was a "Master Mariner" in 1825 (on the register of his first child's birth), is it likely that he was the same age, or is it more probable that he was considerably older? As a rough guide, at what age would you expect to find someone becoming a "Master"? Finally, if anyone has any specific knowledge of this Mariner, probably sailing out of the docks of London, (his wife and children were resident in the Commercial Road area of Ratcliff), I would be extremely pleased to hear from you. Any thoughts or advice very gratefully received. Lynden Hughes West Sussex, UK

Hi David, Thank`s for that,i had my suspicions that what you say was most probably the case but i needed confirmation which i now have thank`s to you. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Asprey" <dasprey@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] LOCH ARD > on 30 Mar 2011 Joe McMillan wrote > Can anyone tell me the owners of the LOCH ARD [built 1955 for David > MacBrayne--Glasgow ] as portrayed on the Clydesite database with a blue > funnel with a yellow stripe a white disc with a blue letter S,and the > period > in which she carried these markings.It still has the name LOCH ARD and the > port of registry as Glasgow on the stern. Any help in solving this puzzle > would be most appreciated. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > I suspect that this is taken in 1971, just after her sale by MacBrayne to > Zotel Compania Naviera SA, Panama, just before her renamiing as HOLBORN. > 1970s Lloyd's Register should show manager or agent which might indicate > the > significance of the "S". > > David > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Absolutely Shirley! A visit to the library has been booked. And I would like to recommend the Vaughan Evans Library digital to any researcher, it has help immensely in the tracking down of ship numbers. On Apr 1, 2011, at 3:02 PM, Shirley wrote: > Hi Paul, > > May I suggest contact with Vaughan Evans Library, Nat. Maritime > Museum at Darling Harbour, Sydney. Contact = Ph. 9298 3731, > URL = http://www.anmm.gov.au > > They are very helpful & knowledgable & should have some deatils > about your Capt. Booth. > > Happy hunting, > > Shirl, Gunnedah, NSW. >

Hi Paul, May I suggest contact with Vaughan Evans Library, Nat. Maritime Museum at Darling Harbour, Sydney. Contact = Ph. 9298 3731, URL = http://www.anmm.gov.au They are very helpful & knowledgable & should have some deatils about your Capt. Booth. Happy hunting, Shirl, Gunnedah, NSW. ********************************* On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Paul Booth <peebooth@mac.com> wrote: > Hello list. > > Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info > on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. > > Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and > 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. > > During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, > mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. > > As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following > boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick > Booth. > > 1864-1867 ‘Dolphin’ #48398 > 1867 ‘Moyne’ #48267 > 1967-1870 ‘Sarah’ # 31908 > 1871 ‘The Peveril’ > 1871-1881 ‘Sarah Ann’ # 42983 > 1882 ‘Alexandra’ > > Of the 6 ships, the ‘Moyne’ and ‘Dolphin’ are notable in that they > where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the > Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. > > What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his > career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to > find on Captain John Frederick booth is from ‘The Argus (Melbourne, > Vic)’ Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner > ‘Dolphin’ from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. > > Was there a ‘central registrar’ of Captains anywhere? > What should my next step be? > > At this stage I’m not in a position to search any archives, save for > the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum > in Sydney is on the cards too. > > Any advice is welcome. > > Cheers, > > Paul > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just quoted this link http://brew.clients.ch/crewagmt.htm#Crew Agreements which won't work because the words "crew" and "agreement" should have been connected by an underscore or something. As they're not, the address is incomplete. If you cut and paste the URL onto your navigation bar, make sure you get the word "agreements" in, or use this Tiny URL: http://tinyurl.com/3royv6w -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Piers Smith-Cresswell Sent: 01 April 2011 10:01 To: 'Paul Booth'; mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hi Paul Have you got a masters certificate number for him yet? Should be stated on a crew list if you've got one of them. If so, try the NMM in London to see if they have information on his early career from his application: see http://tinyurl.com/r4kwdg . They're on email but they will want the certificate number. You may need to get your skates on because the library is closed for a move from 21st April until sometime in July and they say they won't be responding to enquiries over that time. Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Paul Booth Sent: 01 April 2011 04:00 To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Capt. John Frederick Booth -Where to next? Hello list. Since I last posted I have managed to track down a great deal of info on my G G Grandfather, Capt. John Frederick Booth. Captain John Frederick Booth sailed Australian waters between 1964 and 1882, before taking over the Belleview Hotel in Carlton. During his years on the sea he mainly transported coal and timber, mainly around Tasmania and up the east Coat of Australia. As far as my current research goes, I have a listing of the following boats which where either owned or managed by Captain John Frederick Booth. 1864-1867 'Dolphin' #48398 1867 'Moyne' #48267 1967-1870 'Sarah' # 31908 1871 'The Peveril' 1871-1881 'Sarah Ann' # 42983 1882 'Alexandra' Of the 6 ships, the 'Moyne' and 'Dolphin' are notable in that they where wrecked on the West Coast of Tasmania, in the mouth of the Pieman River, which is very well documented in the papers of the time. What I need to do now is to go backwards in time and try to trace his career prior to the Dolphin. The earliest record I have been able to find on Captain John Frederick booth is from 'The Argus (Melbourne, Vic)' Tuesday 21 June 1864, and notes the departure of the schooner 'Dolphin' from Melbourne to Forth Tasmania. Was there a 'central registrar' of Captains anywhere? What should my next step be? At this stage I'm not in a position to search any archives, save for the Australian Archives in Sydney, and a trip to the Maritime museum in Sydney is on the cards too. Any advice is welcome. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message