Hello All, I am wondering if anyone can help with my query? On Friday 13th May 1842, my relatives boarded a ship in the Princes Dock Liverpool bound for New York. They reached Black Rock on the following (or same day - there is a query about the date), Saturday 13th May and by Sunday were being towed out into the Irish Channel by a steamer. I have tried to find out the name of this ship and its Captain from the Liverpool Mercury but the only ship leaving for New York was the 'Ascala' or 'Osceola' (I have seen both spellings) Captained by Barstow which departed on Friday 13th May 1842 not on the Saturday which is the date my ancestor said the captain had planned to leave. It is possible that he left on the Friday due to tidal conditions etc Perhaps someone knows if the ship did leave on the Friday or what other ship might have transported my ancestors to New York? Secondly, when they arrived, my ancestors described the following: 'Tuesday June 14th a pilot came aboard at 10pm and we anchored in quarantine 4pm Weds June 15th (Where would this have been?) We are busy preparing for landing in the harbour which is the most beautiful one in the world. We left the vessel in a small sloop at 4pm Thursday 16th which took us to the Custom Wharf which we left at 7pm. The breeze died away and we were compelled to go back with the tide to the wharf again and stayed there until 11pm when we started again and arrived at New York at 2 am which I call 'The Slough of Despond'. Where was the 'beautiful harbour'? Where was quarantine normally undertaken? Where would the Customs Wharf have been and would they have sailed into New York on the same ship they had crossed the Atlantic in? I hope someone might be able to help with the above questions. Many thanks Christine Buckland

Hi, I am trying to trace any mariner information regarding a Walter Edward Brown b. abt 1864 who was on the SS St Edmund in 1911. And his father Henry Brown b. abt 1827 who was also a mariner. Kind regards......John

I am trying to determine when my Grandfather made it to Texas.  Does anyone know of the trips the King Gruffyd made from 1899 to 1901? My grandfather, an ordinary seaman) made a trip on the King Gruffyd from 11 Nov 1898 to 27 Jan 1899 from Barry Dock to Galveston, TX and back. He had another trip on the same ship from 6 Feb 1899 to May 29 1899 from Barry to Buenos Aires to Cardiff. I know he was in the Atlantic when Queen Victoria died (22 Jan 1901) because they came upon a ship whose flag was at half staff and their captain called over to see who had died -- the answer was, "The Queen".  Everyone was so shocked because although they knew she was elderly, no one could remember a time when Victoria was not queen. Thanks you, Betty Hebert Wimberley, TX

I am trying to determine when my Grandfather made it to Texas.  Does anyone know of the trips the King Gruffyd made from 1899 to 1901? My grandfather, an ordinary seaman) made a trip on the King Gruffyd from 11 Nov 1898 to 27 Jan 1899 from Barry Dock to Galveston, TX and back. He had another trip on the same ship from 6 Feb 1899 to May 29 1899 from Barry to Buenos Aires to Cardiff. I know he was in the Atlantic when Queen Victoria died (22 Jan 1901) because they came upon a ship whose flag was at half staff and their captain called over to see who had died and the answer was, "The Queen".  Everyone was so shocked because although they knew she was elderly, no one could remember a time when Victoria was not queen. Thanks in advance, Betty Hebert Wimberley, TX

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I thought members of the list might be interested in some of the findings of our Letters of Marque and Reprisals (LoMaR) Transcription project. This work is nearing completion and the 3000 records of ships with LoMaR against Spain will soon be available online for researchers. To apply for a LoMaR commenced with the British Admiralty. Armed with the Admiralty pro-forma the applicant (usually the owner, captain or their agent) then attended the High Court of Admiralty (HCA). At the HCA a surety / bond was required, and the declaration of the officers of the ship to the Court. What we have noticed is that the data was frequently not a factual application. Often, in the rush to lodge the paperwork the owners agent provided some poetic licence in naming the key personnel of the ship. The captains were the genuine item, but the same was not the case for the named Mate, Gunner, Boatswain, Carpenter, Cook and Surgeon. The following examples from 1801 may serve: 1. the whaler Thetis of London, of 226 tons under the command of Henry Mackie. In this case the agent at the High Court of Admiralty nominated the following crew: Thomas Tipple (Mate) - perhaps the agent viewed mates as hard drinkers George Report (Gunner) Thomas Bowline (Boatswain) Richard Chip (Carpenter) William Cabbage (Cook) George Lancet (Surgeon) 2. the ship "Withywood" : James Ball (gunner), Tom Piper (Boatswain), Christopher Chip (carpenter) John Lamb (cook) Richard Limb (surgeon) As always, we welcome those who might be interested to volunteer through transcribing or even just quality checking. Chris Maxworthy LoMaR Transcription Project

Bryan, Andy I cannot remember where I read it [rootsweb military list, perhaps?] but militiamen were not permitted to join the navy, marines or go to sea as seamen. It was a punishable offence for those caught doing so. Militiamen were supposed to be available at all times for home defence. HTH Regards, Iain Rogers, Hong Kong ----- Original Message ----- From: <AndyCAdams@aol.com> To: <bryanrichards@btinternet.com>; <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> > Suspect that this may have been a device rather than a requirement. First > Boer War and also engagements in Egypt? > > In a message dated 13/04/2011 20:15:38 GMT Daylight Time, > bryanrichards@btinternet.com writes: > > John Murphy born 1855 Swansea Wales joined as a fireman on the Steam Ship > Lady Bertha ON.70513 of Swansea at Swansea on the > 2nd Dec 1881, previous ship was the Berlin of London. On arrival at > Cette > France 29th April 1882 discharged by the British Consul on the grounds > that he belongs to the Militia and ordered home to join his regiment at > Swansea. >

Ian, Your probably correct. I have been told that a local newspaper article dated 1876 in Swansea stated he was found drunk by a local constable. Around that time many a Fireman were taken on without any previous sea experience if he absconded from the regisment he probably got away with it on his previous ship being registered in London. But not joining a locally registered ship from his home town, or was he was due for call up and his wife told them he had gone to sea. These stories makes indexing mariners a little less boring. Regards Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

John Murphy born 1855 Swansea Wales joined as a fireman on the Steam Ship Lady Bertha ON.70513 of Swansea at Swansea on the 2nd Dec 1881, previous ship was the Berlin of London. On arrival at Cette France 29th April 1882 discharged by the British Consul on the grounds that he belongs to the Militia and ordered home to join his regiment at Swansea. Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk

Suspect that this may have been a device rather than a requirement. First Boer War and also engagements in Egypt? In a message dated 13/04/2011 20:15:38 GMT Daylight Time, bryanrichards@btinternet.com writes: John Murphy born 1855 Swansea Wales joined as a fireman on the Steam Ship Lady Bertha ON.70513 of Swansea at Swansea on the 2nd Dec 1881, previous ship was the Berlin of London. On arrival at Cette France 29th April 1882 discharged by the British Consul on the grounds that he belongs to the Militia and ordered home to join his regiment at Swansea. Bryan www.swanseamariners.org.uk ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Sir/Madam, We have a hyperlink to your webs site (http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/) but this link isn't working but is still listed on Google. Is this temporary or has the address changed? Many thanks, Paul Regards, Paul Yarwood Web Development Assistant Neighbourhoods Director's Office Southampton City Council Tel: 023 8083 4278 This email is confidential but may have to be disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act 2000, the Data Protection Act 1998 or the Environmental Information Regulations 2004. If you are not the person or organisation it was meant for, apologies, please ignore it, delete it and notify us. Southampton City Council does not make legally binding agreements or accept formal notices/proceedings by email. Emails may be monitored.

Hi list Thought the crew list below might be of interest to someone out there. Any queries, please contact Sue direct. Best wishes Tony Holkham North Pembrokeshire Nearer to the sea than Petersfield, but still not near enough... www.tonyholkham.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Sue Church <sue_church@hotmail.co.uk> Date: 5 April 2011 16:20 Subject: [SFHG] 1911 Census - Military Overseas Royal Navy - CAMBRIAN Ship: Cambrian, Australia, Sea Lat 34S Long 154.55E To: SFHG Email <sfhg-l@rootsweb.com> Hi List I've got another 1911 census entry which might be helpful to some of you with Family Member's in the Navy at the time, there are 28 men listed below as on the record. If anyone wanted a copy let me know and I'll get it scanned for you. 1911 Census - Military Overseas Royal Navy - CAMBRIAN Ship: Cambrian, Australia, Sea Lat 34S Long 154.55E FULLER, HENRY T SINGLE 25 KENNINGTON LONDON SIGNALMAN MILITARY CDONAGH, PATRICK MARRIED 39 CAMAHOLLY WESTPORT CO MAYO IRELAND CHEFSTOKER ENGINEER WAKEHAM, JAMES MARRIED 35 POLBATHIC CORNWALL CHEFSTOKER ENGINEER GRANHAM, JAMES MARRIED 39 BELFAST, IRELAND STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER JONES, WILLIAM MARRIED 40 DEVONPORT, DEVON STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER MARLEY, WILLIAM J MARRIED 40 BOREY, DEVON STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER BARRETT, WILLIAM J MARRIED 37 EXETER,DEVON STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER DAVVE, GEORGE S SINGLE 23 PLYMOUTH, DEVON ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER SUTTON, JOHN W MARRIED 33 MANCHESTER, LANCASHIRE ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER HARVEY, VICTOR W MARRIED 28 BOW, LONDON ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER DUDLEY, CHARLES H MARRIED 40 DEVONPORT, DEVON STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER FROST, GEORGE SINGLE 39 OKEHAMPTON, DEVON STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER JAMES, WILLIAM H MARRIED 41 PLYMOUTH, DEVON CHEFSTOKER ENGINEER MCGRATH, MICHAEL SINGLE 37 PILTOWN CO WATERFORD IRELAND CHIEF STOKER ENGINEER CARBINES, JOHN MARRIED 38 ST IVES CORNWALL CHEIF ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER DAVIES, PERCIVAL F SINGLE 31 FALMOUTH, CORNWALL ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER NEILL, DENIS O MARRIED 40 CORK, IRELAND CHEFSTOKER ENGINEER BLACKFORD, MAURIEL H MARRIED 32 PLYMOUTH, DEVON ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER LOVELESS, WILLIAM D MARRIED 40 PLYMOUTH, DEVON STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER SPILLANE, WILLIAM SINGLE 37 CORK, IRELAND STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER ELLIOTT, WILLIAM J MARRIED 38 LOSWITHIEL CORNWALL STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER JONES, FRED J MARRIED 38 DARTMOUTH DEVON CHIEF ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER HEATHCOTE, HAROLD MARRIED 35 WINSFORD, CHESHIRE ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER IORY, FREDFERICK I MARRIED 37 DEVONPORT, DEVON ENGINE ROOM ARTIFICER ENGINEER WOOD, ROBERT SINGLE 29 LIVERPOOL LANCASHIRE STOKER PETTY OFFICER ENGINEER RANDALL, SIDNEY SINGLE 29 ABBEYGREEN, BATH LEADING STOKER ENGINEER WYATT, WILLIAM G SINGLE 33 ILFORD ESSEX STOKER ENGINEER BLACK, ROBERT MARRIED 30 BELFAST, IRELAND STOKER ENGINEER MORRIS, WILLIAM SINGLE 23 ST DAVIDS, PEMBROKESHIRE LEADING STOKER ENGINEER KELLY, JAMES P SINGLE 25 BELFAST, IRELAND LEADING STOKER ENGINEER RegardsSue 13083 Nottingham

Greetings to Y'all Hope the day is treating you well.......the coffee is fresh....and there is another generous bite of 'coffee cake' that seems to have your name on it.....for you to indulge in. The blog: http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ has some 'new' articles posted.....or I guess I should say there are 'Links' to the new articles. One that you may fine somewhat interesting....and that is the "rounding up" of Japan's "Undersea Carriers"...after the war.....these were the I-400 subs that Japan produced.... You may recall that this particular sub was the one that had two airplanes aboard....and actually had parts for a third if they so needed it. These huge submarines was able to launch these planes and then retrieve them with a "boom like device" that was built into the top decking. The Japs was going to use these subs to attack the Panama Canal....or as we referred to it as the "Big Ditch".... So...this article is the story of rounding up a couple of these 'huge cigars' ....and it was not as easy as one would think.... Ok...I'll leave you hanging on this article.... you can decide if you wish to let your eyes dance over the words on this one.....but it is interesting!!!! Then there are a few more 'short stories' I've put up as well.....so you may wish to go fill up the "coffee mug" and pop some "sugar/cinnamon toast" in the ole toaster....settle back and over indulge on this fine Tues morning while you investigate the "new additions" to this so called blog of mine. Well Mr. R.J. and I have just finished up 180 sugar cookies for some Easter baskets....we are helping one of the churches in the area...there giving away 13 Easter baskets to some needy families... I got them baked, cookie cut out of bunnies, eggs...etc..etc.. and then "WE" glazed them up and "WE" added colored sprinkles... I made up two for Mr. R.J....sprinkle them....and as I was doing the remainder....he was attaining his "sugar high" by licking those two cookies.....well folks not good!!!...but it kept him out of "my hair" as I was working on the remainder of the cookies. So.....I as well provided several mini cakes and apple/raisin/cinnamon breads for the baskets as well... that should keep everyone 'happy as a duck in water' for awhile... Hey...y'all have a great day.....and hopefully y'all will have some 'sunshine' to enjoy!!! "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

Way back on 13 Jan 2011 Ron Mapplebeck wrote: I've been reflecting on what we collectively dug up earlier today. It turns out the SOPHIA was the first vessel built by T.A. Walker, completed in December 1888, with the next two being the CARLOTTA and ISOBEL, both completed April 1989, according to Lloyd's Register. There were then quite a few more in the series, but all completed after the SOPHIA was lost in August 1889. Piers commented on their 50hp engines which would seem to be sufficient only for their intended role "for river purposes only". It is probably correct to assume they, nevertheless, made their way across the Atlantic under their own steam - the alternative would be that they were towed there. Whatever, it would be quite an arduous journey! No doubt, the masters engaged were experienced - maybe "between jobs" or even retired?? If anyone ever digs out the crew agreement it might be of interest to see how many hands were on board. The mention of rigging makes one wonder if temporary sails were somehow added? It's a matter of conjecture whether, even though the SOPHIA was completed five months ahead of the next two, the risk of a mid-winter passage for at least the first part of the journey was probably regarded as too great, and I speculate the three ultimately set off in convoy soon after the third barge was completed the following April. (It could be the SOPHIA was built on spec and it was a few more months before any buyer came forward for her and the others then building?) Might it then be three/four months before they reached the vicinity of Buenos Aires (we don't seem to know their eventual destination?). If so, the SOPHIA was lost near the end of her delivery voyage which seems to make some sense as one suspects after entering river service they would never again return to the deep sea? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sorry to have been catching up with this only now. Behind all this - and the family tragedy that began this thread - was a major overseas port contracting project creating modern facilities at Buenos Aires involving contractors T A Walker (construction works) and Sir W G Armstrong Mitchell & Co (hydraulic works). The first stage was completed in January 1889, so it looks as this was the second part of the project which continued until at least WW1. http://www.nmm.ac.uk/collections/displayRepro.cfm?reproID=E4730%2D1 The nearest quarries to Buenos Aires were more than 300km distant and Thomas Walker concluded that it would be more economical to source and prepare the stone in Uruguay, less than 60km away. He built a five-mile railway from the quarry to a new jetty at Conchillas and a fleet of steam barges to bring the stone across the River Plate. There seem to have been at least 17 built 1889-1891 at Walker's own new yard at Sudbrook. The certainly steamed out to the River Plate, apparently as they were ready, typically taking a couple of months - sometimes longer - and apparently sailed out with a cargo of South Wales coke and/or coal (perhaps also drawing from that for their own needs). SOPHIA seems to have departed the Bristol Channel in Dec 1888 under Capt A Wyon; on 15/1/1889 she arrived St Vincent, Cape Verde Islands and about 27/2 reached Buenos Aires. CARLOTTA was next under Capt Baker, though putting in to Hayle with a leak on 7/4/1889 and not reaching St Vincent until 2/6; she put in to Desterro (now Florianópolis) 18/6 also to repair damage from a four-day storm on the Brazilian coast and to replenish provisions that had been washed away. She only arrived at Montevideo on 4/7. ISOBEL was next, sailing Cardiff for Argentina under Capt R Ellis on 4/5/1899, was at St Vincent 23/5 with no report of arrival at Buenos Aires - possibly before CARLOTTA. Lloyd's List of 28/8/1889 reports a major hurricane at Buenos Aires and that British steamer PARA, Government steamers JENNER and AUTER and steam lighter SOPHIA had sunk in the river. It does not give any information about the crew and the rescue, but with a full load of stone blocks the SOPHIA lay in an exposed position, with very challenging salvage. By late September she was sinking into the clay bottom, though the hull was undamaged; C A Walker had to settle to pay 60% of the total value of ship and cargo for the salvage - it was still progressing in mid-November (I have not found whether the salvage was eventially successful - I suspect not as she was deleted from Lloyd's Register). David

Greetings.... Well folks.......I have added a few more articles to the ole blog.... http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ so if your in for some reading.....I got a few there that you may wish to indulge in as your sipping that fine glass of wine...... You might enjoy reading how the USS Newark run out of coal....and had to go ashore to chop wood to and while doing so.....disappeared for three weeks... Well the "top brass" about had a hissy-fit on this one. Then there is the U.S. Coast Guard Beach Patrol........rescued a bunch of seamen during a huge hurricane on the Carolina coast...... So....there is some reading available ....and if your a slow reader...well you might have to fill up that wine glass a couple of times.......hmmmmmmmmmmmm....not a bad idea.. Enjoy!!! Hope you all enjoy!!! "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

Hello, SS Huntsend (ex german steamer Lutzow) has made two round trips between Newcastle upon Tyne and Murmansk in march-april 1918 on behalf of the British Gouvernement. She has been transporting russian soldiers and deportees to Russia and allied soldiers (for example the french mission Berthelot returning from Romania) to Britain. I am looking for any information on the ship (how she was camouflaged for instance) and her travels at this time. I thank you in advance Alain

Colin, Much appreciated, don't wish to get you into trouble! I shall push on looking for Newton's, most appear to be GLASPER surname. One day, all will be reveled. Many thanks Rod At 08:40 08/04/2011, Colin Boyd wrote: >Rod, > I managed a cursory delve (we are not allowed to carry out our own >research at work)in an index we have of marriages in the Tyne & Wear >area 1778 to 1838. There were a few Henrys but no Joseph or Newton. >They may still be the same family as there was a lot of movement between >Newcastle and Sunderland and the current rivalry between them is a >relatively recent event. >Based on past examples, from the dates and events found so far, an >'inspired guess' could be that Newton was the father of Joseph and Henry >and that he died 1849/50 when Joseph took over as sole owner. >The records exist- it's just finding the right one! > >Cheers >Colin RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

Rod, I managed a cursory delve (we are not allowed to carry out our own research at work)in an index we have of marriages in the Tyne & Wear area 1778 to 1838. There were a few Henrys but no Joseph or Newton. They may still be the same family as there was a lot of movement between Newcastle and Sunderland and the current rivalry between them is a relatively recent event. Based on past examples, from the dates and events found so far, an 'inspired guess' could be that Newton was the father of Joseph and Henry and that he died 1849/50 when Joseph took over as sole owner. The records exist- it's just finding the right one! Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Rod Clayburn Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 3:49 PM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] GLASPER/CLASPER Masters Mariners, If I may be permitted a supplementary question please? Further to Colin's answer to my original question. According to Lloyds 1846/7 this vessel was a Snow of 452 Tons, owners Hutchinsons of Sunderland. If this is Henry CLASPER, the Master Mariner referred to, then he was of Sunderland. This begs the question: if Newton and Joseph CLASPER owned the vessel NEWTON, where did Newton CLASPER of Newcastle fit into the story and was Henry CLASPER from another family, possibly of Sunderland? Thank you for any more assists. Rod Title: Manuel de l'Assureur ou Vade-Mecum du Commerce Maritime. Par M. Auguste Morel, No. 5. - Dix-huitième Année, 1845, Paris, 563 1845 REGISTRE INTEGRITAS. [Numéro d'ordre:] [N] 421 [Nom:] [NEWTON.] [Classification:] 5 [Capitaine:] Glasper , J. [Capitaine subséquent: blank] [Espèce:] Glt. [Tonnage:] 62 [L'année de construction:] 1838 [Port d'armement:] Newcastle. [Navigation soit habituelle soit de compétence:] Manche. and Title: Manuel de l'Assureur ou Vade-Mecum du Commerce Maritime. Par M. Auguste Morel, No. 5. - Dix-huitième Année, 1845, Paris, 817 1845-1846 REGISTRE INTEGRITAS. [Numéro d'ordre:] [W] 542 [Nom:] [WILLIAM]-&-JANE. [Classification:] 5 [Capitaine:] Clasper, H. [Espèce:] Bk. [Tonnage:] 228 [L'année de construction:] 1837 [Port d'armement:] Sunderland. [Navigation habituelle:] Baltique. RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

Hi All, I wonder if any can help trace some mariners for me. Walter Edward Brown (born 1864 Newhaven, Sussex) was on the SS St Edmund in the 1911 census. His father Henry Brown (born 1827) is listed as a 2nd Engineer Steamship on a couple of census that I have seen. Can anyone help me to trace there histories as mariners ? Kind regards......John

Hi, Stupid question from a newbie. How ask a question about ancestor mariners and there vessels ? Kind regards......John