Greetings...... Oh my Lord!!!.....the sun is out and it appears as if it may bless us in Northeast Indiana with some warmth!!!!....Yep...time to dig out the ole "speed-o" so I can soak up some 'rays'..... All of this is a mighty scary thought isn't it!!!!! Ok...in the mean time folks....I posted a link to another article at my blog site: http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ Title is: STEAMBOAT LEXINGTON actually it is still considered Long Island Sound's worst sea disaster......only four survived out of 134.......and just think....Henry Wadsworth Longfellows name is connected to this disaster. If Interested.....it it there waiting to be read. Enjoy!! "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

The crew lists for Royal Yacht 'Victoria & Albert' i and 'Victoria & Albert'ii are the most likely ships that would fit my ancestor. His name was George Ruddick. Family history says he sailed as a Stewart on this ship but may have sailed as a Stoker. Any one know of crew lists for either yachts? Thanks

Don't you mean Albert and Victoria? Neville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kogaylene Ruddick" <kdruddick@shaw.ca> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:06 AM Subject: [MAR] Royal yacht ?Albert and Elizabeth > Hello, > Are there any crew lists for the Royal Yacht that Albert and Elisabeth > would spend time on? > I think this is the one that family member worked on as either a > Steward or a Stoker in > 1890's approximately. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Or even Victoria and Albert????? Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Rasmussen" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> To: "Kogaylene Ruddick" <kdruddick@shaw.ca>; <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] Royal yacht ?Albert and Elizabeth > > Don't you mean Albert and Victoria? > > Neville > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kogaylene Ruddick" <kdruddick@shaw.ca> > To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:06 AM > Subject: [MAR] Royal yacht ?Albert and Elizabeth > > >> Hello, >> Are there any crew lists for the Royal Yacht that Albert and Elisabeth >> would spend time on? >> I think this is the one that family member worked on as either a >> Steward or a Stoker in >> 1890's approximately. >> Thanks >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3587 - Release Date: 04/21/11 06:34:00

I must have got the name wrong. Does anyone know of any sources for crew lists for Royal Yacht 'Albert and Victoria' or perhaps it was called 'Victoria and Albert'. Thanks for help with correct name.

A big thank you to all that helped me with my "River Platte" question. I now have a lot of info about it . Michelle

Hi Michelle Also be aware that it was known by Spanish and many English speakers as Río de la Plata : if you are going to be researching the region you might well find the Wiki page on the subject of interest : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Río_de_la_Plata Paul On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 20:32:25 +0100, "Ted Finch" <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> wrote: >Hi Michelle, > >This was probably an archaic spelling of the River Plate to Montevideo and >Buenos Aires. > >regards >Ted > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Michelle Wilson" <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com> >To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:11 PM >Subject: [MAR] River Platte Route > > >> >> I just joined this list the day before yesterday and look forward to >> learning many things about sail8ing and sailors. I already have a >> question >> >> Could someone please tell me where the River Platte Route was? I have >> four >> generations of Sea Captains (all in the same family and all having the >> same >> name) that sailed out of Liverpool from 1780's to 1880's and several of >> the >> ships, when sailing to South America (Brazil and Argentina) also included >> the River Platte Route but when I googled it all I got was the Platte >> River >> in Middle USA. >> >> Michelle >> Vermont USA >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3585 - Release Date: 04/20/11 >06:34:00 > > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Michelle, My maternal grandfather worked for Lamport & Holt Line (AKA L&H) from 1889 thru 1897 on their New York to River Plate service. Shipping Companies: _http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ShipCompanyWebsites.html_ (http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/ShipCompanyWebsites.html) Lamport & Holt: _http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/lamport.html_ (http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/lamport.html) Dan Murphy Pennsylvania, US In a message dated 4/20/2011 3:14:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, micpaint.wilson@gmail.com writes: I just joined this list the day before yesterday and look forward to learning many things about sail8ing and sailors. I already have a question Could someone please tell me where the River Platte Route was? I have four generations of Sea Captains (all in the same family and all having the same name) that sailed out of Liverpool from 1780's to 1880's and several of the ships, when sailing to South America (Brazil and Argentina) also included the River Platte Route but when I googled it all I got was the Platte River in Middle USA. Michelle Vermont USA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, Are there any crew lists for the Royal Yacht that Albert and Elisabeth would spend time on? I think this is the one that family member worked on as either a Steward or a Stoker in 1890's approximately. Thanks

Hi Michelle, This was probably an archaic spelling of the River Plate to Montevideo and Buenos Aires. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michelle Wilson" <micpaint.wilson@gmail.com> To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 20, 2011 8:11 PM Subject: [MAR] River Platte Route > > I just joined this list the day before yesterday and look forward to > learning many things about sail8ing and sailors. I already have a > question > > Could someone please tell me where the River Platte Route was? I have > four > generations of Sea Captains (all in the same family and all having the > same > name) that sailed out of Liverpool from 1780's to 1880's and several of > the > ships, when sailing to South America (Brazil and Argentina) also included > the River Platte Route but when I googled it all I got was the Platte > River > in Middle USA. > > Michelle > Vermont USA > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3585 - Release Date: 04/20/11 06:34:00

Sue Ummm 'cos is was Portland, Dorset,......you known....the original Portland, where all that lovely stone comes from ;-) And for the record there are a number of burials from the Sapphire, noted on my web site, in the Military Cemetery here at Portland for the period in question : for details see : http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/MIs/A-F.html http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/MIs/G-M.html http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/MIs/N-Z.html To add a bit of icing to the cake Kathleen may be interested to know that Sapphire II was originally the Imperieuse, which was renamed circa 1905 for her duties here at Portland when I gather she was used as a depot ship, presumably for what were then known as torpedo boat destroyers that were based here. And photos of the Imperieuse can be seen at : http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/hms_imperieuse.htm Paul On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 10:42:47 -0300, Shipper <shipper@theshipslist.com> wrote: >Kathleen, > >you wrote .. >> On Feb.8, to Aug 7, 1908 it says "Run Portland" Again , I assume that he took off for parts unknown . Would that be from the Isle of Portland? Family legend says he "jumped ship in Halifax, Canada" So much for family stories. >What if it was Portland, Maine? > >Sue 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

I just joined this list the day before yesterday and look forward to learning many things about sail8ing and sailors. I already have a question Could someone please tell me where the River Platte Route was? I have four generations of Sea Captains (all in the same family and all having the same name) that sailed out of Liverpool from 1780's to 1880's and several of the ships, when sailing to South America (Brazil and Argentina) also included the River Platte Route but when I googled it all I got was the Platte River in Middle USA. Michelle Vermont USA

Good Day to "one and all" Well I've added a few new articles to the ole 'Blog' http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/ and actually I have one or two more short ones that may get added today or tomorrow.... So....if you have 'ugly' weather such as I'm experiencing here in the Northern Central area of the U.S...[up near Lake Michigan]....you may welcome some additional reading material until the "Spring Sunshine" decides to bless us all with it's warmth. If it isn't raining....it is 'blowing'.....I swear to you the wind is so darn strong...I know for a fact that it could blow the 'snot' off a doorknob....yep, I kid you not!!!! Anyway folks if you'd care to 'indulge' in some nautical reading....there is a tad available. Mr. R.J. and I are gearing up to deliver all our "Easter Goodies" to the Church "Easter Basket Ladies"..... I'm going to deliver all the goodies, [with Mr. R.J. coming along with me in his "cat box"] and then I'll stand around do some chit-chat, along with a 'flirt or two' here and there.....as those ladies put together the Easter baskets they are going to give out to some unfortunate families.. Anyway.....I'm sure I'll enjoy .......I've learned all my lesson well from the "Stud of the household"....so who knows maybe them "Church Ladies will invite me & Mr. R.J. out for Lunch"..... Hey....you all enjoy.....and regardless of the weather...have a "grand day". "We" wish you well Bud Shortridge & Mr. R.J. Site: Navy Articles BUDS NAVAL & MERCHANT SHIP ARTICLES http://navalmerchantshiparticles.blogspot.com/

Kathleen, you wrote .. > On Feb.8, to Aug 7, 1908 it says "Run Portland" Again , I assume that he took off for parts unknown . Would that be from the Isle of Portland? Family legend says he "jumped ship in Halifax, Canada" So much for family stories. What if it was Portland, Maine? Sue -- TheShipsList Website http://www.theshipslist.com/ On 4/18/2011 10:53 PM, KATHLEEN LOPEZ wrote: > I am new to the list and hope that someone can assist. I am helping a friend with her Irish grandfather, Michael Byrne, born Nov. 16, 1884 in Ballinglass, Wicklow. I downloaded his R. N. papers from the National Archives. At the top, near his name it says "Devonport". I assume that was where he enlisted--July 11, 1906--for 12 years. Several things I wonder about; his age says what appears to be "F E" That means what?------full age? Under CHARACTER it says "V. G."----I suppose very good ? On Feb.8, to Aug 7, 1908 it says "Run Portland" Again , I assume that he took off for parts unknown . Would that be from the Isle of Portland? Family legend says he "jumped ship in Halifax, Canada" So much for family stories. In the Census for 1911 in Toronto, Ontario he appears with a wife and 22 day old child. Now how would he ever get to Canada being a runaway from the navy? I always thought the runners were hunted down non stop. His last ship was "Sapphire 11". ! Is! > there any way to trace the movements of that ship in the period Michael was in the navy? My sincere thanks for any help offered. > Kathleen in Toronto >

Many thanks to Paul and David for their Input regarding my query. Kathleen in Toronto

Hi Kathleen Whilst he may possibly have joined the navy at Devonport, this actually tells us his port division, the other two divisions being Chatham and Portsmouth, this being in the days when each RN ship was attached to one of those ports and was manned by personnel from that port division. Personnel belonging to the Devonport division usually came from the west country counties and the west coast of England, and included men from Wales, Ireland and Scotland. So coming from Ireland I would suggest that he probably signed on at a recruiting office near to where he lived and would then have been sent to Devonport for training. The Isle of Portland, was a major harbour for hosting the fleet when training in the English Channel, and ships from the home ports would often be sent here for torpedo firing and gunnery practice etc.....and the local newspapers list numerous incidents that took place in the days before health and safety became an issue ;-) However, I suspect that a static ship at Portland would probably be the last place a young man should have been sent.....whilst a beautiful part of the World it was somewhat isolated and except for the row of pubs that line the road outside the dockyard gates I wouldn't have thought that there would have been much for a young man to do in those days unless her had a penchant for walking ? The following URL shows the view from Portland to the mainland, with the part of the harbour to the right of the picture : http://www.soton.ac.uk/~imw/chesil.htm If, as would appear to be the case, he managed to desert and get off the island before the alarm was raised, he might well have got to Southampton and found work on board a merchant vessel leaving for your side of the Pond, where he might have jumped ship, so a part of the story might be true ? Whilst the Navy did follow up deserters and would send notices of desertion to the police at a man's home town and may be locally to where a ship was based it was unable to pursue men and would leave that to the police. "Full Age" implies that he was at least 18 years old and that his 12 years service would commence from the first day of service, whereas the service of those who entered under the age of 18 would not start until their 18th birthday. Paul On Mon, 18 Apr 2011 21:53:18 -0400, "KATHLEEN LOPEZ" <kathleen.lopez@rogers.com> wrote: >I am new to the list and hope that someone can assist. I am helping a friend with her Irish grandfather, Michael Byrne, born Nov. 16, 1884 in Ballinglass, Wicklow. I downloaded his R. N. papers from the National Archives. At the top, near his name it says "Devonport". I assume that was where he enlisted--July 11, 1906--for 12 years. Several things I wonder about; his age says what appears to be "F E" That means what?------full age? Under CHARACTER it says "V. G."----I suppose very good ? On Feb.8, to Aug 7, 1908 it says "Run Portland" Again , I assume that he took off for parts unknown . Would that be from the Isle of Portland? Family legend says he "jumped ship in Halifax, Canada" So much for family stories. In the Census for 1911 in Toronto, Ontario he appears with a wife and 22 day old child. Now how would he ever get to Canada being a runaway from the navy? I always thought the runners were hunted down non stop. His last ship was "Sapphire 11". I! s! > there any way to trace the movements of that ship in the period Michael was in the navy? My sincere thanks for any help offered. > Kathleen in Toronto > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Kathleen F E = First entry V G = very good Sapphire II = was the old cruiser Imperieuse, employed as a static depot ship at Portland from 1905 Run = deserted regards David H In a message dated 19/04/2011 02:55:24 GMT Daylight Time, kathleen.lopez@rogers.com writes: new to the list and hope that someone can assist. I am helping a friend with her Irish grandfather, Michael Byrne, born Nov. 16, 1884 in Ballinglass, Wicklow. I downloaded his R. N. papers from the National Archives. At the top, near his name it says "Devonport". I assume that was where he enlisted--July 11, 1906--for 12 years. Several things I wonder about; his age says what appears to be "F E" That means what?------full age? Under CHARACTER it says "V. G."----I suppose very good ? On Feb.8, to Aug 7, 1908 it says "Run Portland" Again , I assume that he took off for parts unknown . Would that be from the Isle of Portland? Family legend says he "jumped ship in Halifax, Canada" So much for family stories. In the Census for 1911 in Toronto, Ontario he appears with a wife and 22 day old child. Now how would he ever get to Canada being a runaway from the navy? I always thought the runners were hunted down non stop. His last ship was "Sapphire 11". Is!

I am new to the list and hope that someone can assist. I am helping a friend with her Irish grandfather, Michael Byrne, born Nov. 16, 1884 in Ballinglass, Wicklow. I downloaded his R. N. papers from the National Archives. At the top, near his name it says "Devonport". I assume that was where he enlisted--July 11, 1906--for 12 years. Several things I wonder about; his age says what appears to be "F E" That means what?------full age? Under CHARACTER it says "V. G."----I suppose very good ? On Feb.8, to Aug 7, 1908 it says "Run Portland" Again , I assume that he took off for parts unknown . Would that be from the Isle of Portland? Family legend says he "jumped ship in Halifax, Canada" So much for family stories. In the Census for 1911 in Toronto, Ontario he appears with a wife and 22 day old child. Now how would he ever get to Canada being a runaway from the navy? I always thought the runners were hunted down non stop. His last ship was "Sapphire 11". Is there any way to trace the movements of that ship in the period Michael was in the navy? My sincere thanks for any help offered. Kathleen in Toronto

Hi All ! Well I can only speak for the 1960's and the S A Navy but hijinks there were aplenty and the wardroom was often the scene of many a mad scene both aboard ship and ashore. One ship had the tradition that once everyone was well oiled the junior officers would have to leap overboard naked, on the starboard side swim round the stern to the port side and climb up to the quayside and go back on board over the brow and back down to the wardroom, the watch that came last stood the next round of drinks. One of the shore bases had a tradition of carpet races where some would stand on the two long edges fo the large carpet that was in the wardroom, the chosen runners would have to crawl under the carpet to the other side emerging as you can imagine disheveled and filthy, the mess kit especially if it was summer kit the white monkey jackets rather destroyed. The horses and riders game was also played and one senior officer on one shore base I served on could tie a bowtie extreemly fast and so he would run around ripping everyones bowtie loose and then the last one to get properly tied up had to pay for a round, needless to say I often had to cough up as I battled to get my bowtie tied usually landing up with it vertivcal instead of horizontal. On another occasion our wardroom visited another wardroom which was on a shore base and we junior officers landed up by taking the CO's car and placed it on the saluting dias on the parade ground. We also had many high jinks in Cape Town when the reserve base wardroom and the local Cape Town Highlanders officers mess got together and then many horses and riders, jumping off the jetty into the harbour and swimming around to the yacht basin and other silly games took place. Once after a rather wild wardroom party after exercising our right to march through the city with flags flying and swords drawn, things nearly got out of hand when some decided to have sword fights but fortunately there were a few sober heads who made everyone hand their swords over to the duty chief for safekeeping. I some times wonder if the crew imagined to themselves " And this is the lot that must lead us in battle!?" I don't know if such traditions still exist in the current navy here. Oh and speaking of GENTLEMEN when on our basic officer training course a lecturer told us " If you ever see a tombstone inscribed woith the words ""Here lies and officer and a Gentleman"" you know that there are two people buried in that grave"!!! Neville (who once had the dubious honour of being the senior midhipman in the navy because he could'nt pass the Astro Nav exam.) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Monks" <flyingarethusa@gmail.com> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2011 9:48 PM Subject: [MAR] Royal Navy high jinks > Greetings, > > I have read of high jinks in the wardroom, especially involving the King > (King George VI ((?)) maybe). Playing 'Horsie, 'horsie, where the > lightest were jockies and the not so light were the horses and the object > was to unseat the jockie and rider. Frantic scrums and much heavy > activities in which His Majesty was reputed to ask how come he always got > the position of the horse and heaviest rider? > > Perhaps some GENTLEMEN can enlighten me as to title and activities, and > does it still take place? > > Many thanks, > > Peter > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings, I have read of high jinks in the wardroom, especially involving the King (King George VI ((?)) maybe). Playing 'Horsie, 'horsie, where the lightest were jockies and the not so light were the horses and the object was to unseat the jockie and rider. Frantic scrums and much heavy activities in which His Majesty was reputed to ask how come he always got the position of the horse and heaviest rider? Perhaps some GENTLEMEN can enlighten me as to title and activities, and does it still take place? Many thanks, Peter