Mick, Appreciate the pointer, this programme works well, but blocks the BBC iPlayer as it it believes you live outside the UK! So remember to switch it off when not required. Rod At 08:00 27/04/2011, "Mick" <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: >I have 18 reports so far, plus a lot of other Goodies , using a program >called Hide My IP , 140 years I cant wait that long. >If you can use an U.S IP address you will find a greater range of books >at the Open Library and some extra Lloyds Registers on G-Books including >the 1890s Steamer Editions. RSVP. Please support the St.George Foundation: www.adecentlife.org

Hi Paul 140 years copyright , is this just for Government docs , how about Lloyds Register ? . I had assumed that this material was only available in the U.S because the copyright was owned by the universities that provided them. The one you quote in your mail 1867 also has a complete list of all Steam Ships on the British Register for 1866 with specs and owner details. Mick O Rourke Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Benyon To: Mariners List Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: [MAR] An Abstract of the Returns made to the Board of Trade ofWrecks,

"unless you know how to rig your browser to fool Google into thinking you live in the US ? " I have 18 reports so far, plus a lot of other Goodies , using a program called Hide My IP , 140 years I cant wait that long. If you can use an U.S IP address you will find a greater range of books at the Open Library and some extra Lloyds Registers on G-Books including the 1890s Steamer Editions. I can put some on Drop Box if any one is interested ( http://www.dropbox.com/ ) Teaser http://www.irishshipwrecks.com/shipwrecks.php?wreck_ref=467 Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com

For those interested in wrecks around the coast of the UK, including Ireland, an annual report was made to Parliament in documents such as the following report for 1867: Accounts and Papers of the House of Commons by Great Britain. Parliament. House of Commons dated 1868, page 421, available through Google Books : An Abstract of the Returns made to the Board of Trade of Wrecks, Casualties and Collisions, which occurred on or near the Coasts of the United Kingdom from 1 Jan to 31 Dec 1867, which also included details of awards made for gallantry and distinguished service etc. I believe a separate return is made for the Channel Isles. Should you have difficulty finding the document I was searching for "Teazer" at the time, between 1860 and 1870. I would expect that you should also find reports for other years, although those of us who live in the UK have to wait 140 years before copyright is removed from all documents, unless you know how to rig your browser to fool Google into thinking you live in the US ? Paul

Thanx for the info on the Umlazi, I looked at the pics at Photoship (amazing site) and have matched the Umlazi depicted there to an unnamed photo in my dad's album, so it looks like I have what I was looking for , many thanx Neville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ted Finch" <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> To: "Neville Rasmussen" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za>; <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [MAR] SS Umlazi > Hi Neville, > > Photos of the UMLAZI at > http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20U/slides/Umlazi-01.html > Use the right arrow at top for further photos. > > UMLAZI > O.N.142724, 4,328 gross tons, length 380ft x beam 49.2ft, speed 11 knots. > She was a First World War standard type ship, built in Canada by Canadian > Vickers Ltd, Montreal for the Shipping Controller (managed by Harris & > Dixon Ltd), London in 1918 as the WAR EARL. In 1919 she was purchased by > Union-Castle Mail SS Co and renamed ROSYTH CASTLE and in 1921 transferred > to Bullard King & Co and renamed UMLAZI. 1936 sold to Counties Ship > Management, London renamed CAMPDEN HILL. and in 1937 was sold to Japan and > renamed HOKUJU MARU. 1966 scrapped. > > kind regards > Ted > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neville Rasmussen" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> > To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 2:20 PM > Subject: [MAR] SS Umlazi > > >> >> Greetings all! >> >> I am trying to find information and hopefully a picture of the SS Umlazi. >> There were apparently a few by that name but the one I am looking for is >> BK & Co Natal line ship. My dad served abourd her either a a cadet or >> deck officer and I can only fix his time aboard to one date 15th July >> 1935 from a document in my possesion. >> >> Any help would be appreciated >> >> Neville >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3596 - Release Date: 04/25/11 > 06:34:00 > > > >

Greetings all! I am trying to find information and hopefully a picture of the SS Umlazi. There were apparently a few by that name but the one I am looking for is BK & Co Natal line ship. My dad served abourd her either a a cadet or deck officer and I can only fix his time aboard to one date 15th July 1935 from a document in my possesion. Any help would be appreciated Neville

Hi Neville, Photos of the UMLAZI at http://www.photoship.co.uk/JAlbum%20Ships/Old%20Ships%20U/slides/Umlazi-01.html Use the right arrow at top for further photos. UMLAZI O.N.142724, 4,328 gross tons, length 380ft x beam 49.2ft, speed 11 knots. She was a First World War standard type ship, built in Canada by Canadian Vickers Ltd, Montreal for the Shipping Controller (managed by Harris & Dixon Ltd), London in 1918 as the WAR EARL. In 1919 she was purchased by Union-Castle Mail SS Co and renamed ROSYTH CASTLE and in 1921 transferred to Bullard King & Co and renamed UMLAZI. 1936 sold to Counties Ship Management, London renamed CAMPDEN HILL. and in 1937 was sold to Japan and renamed HOKUJU MARU. 1966 scrapped. kind regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neville Rasmussen" <jimmyjamjar@cybersmart.co.za> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 25, 2011 2:20 PM Subject: [MAR] SS Umlazi > > Greetings all! > > I am trying to find information and hopefully a picture of the SS Umlazi. > There were apparently a few by that name but the one I am looking for is > BK & Co Natal line ship. My dad served abourd her either a a cadet or deck > officer and I can only fix his time aboard to one date 15th July 1935 > from a document in my possesion. > > Any help would be appreciated > > Neville > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3596 - Release Date: 04/25/11 06:34:00

Hi Mick, Thank`s for that,the Clydesite database does not give any other data on this ship so you could be correct in stating that she was sold to Spanish owners shortly after completion.Probably was built as a speculation by the builders.Any other info will be most welcome. Cheers, Joe. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mick To: Mariners ; Joe McMillan Sent: Sunday, April 24, 2011 12:21 AM Subject: Re: [MAR] SS Ebro Hi Joe She is listed in Lloyds up to 1857 with the following detail. Ebro Iron Scr Stm 585 grs / 395 nrt Owner = Tintore & {blank} Port = Brcelon Voyage = Cly . Brcelon Last survey = 1853 As her last (only) survey was 1853 it looks like the builder sent her to Spain with a cargo and a for-sale sign hanging on the mast. I don't see an O.N under this name and reg year so its safe to assume she was sold in Spain. On the off chance that she came back to the British Registry with a new name I have extracted a list of steamers from the MNL 1860 whose NRT falls between 385 and 410 , 42 vessels, will send off line if all else fails it may be worth a check. Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe McMillan To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: [MAR] SS Ebro Hi there, Can anyone provide any information on the 600 tons iron steamship EBRO built 1853 by Scott & Co. Greenock for their own account. I am seeking the career and ultimate fate of this ship. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

this was an attachment sent to the German-Poland list which I am on. anyone seeking European migration between Europe, England and the Americas might find information here, as it discusses the use of ships in migration from one place to another. http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conJmrArticle.28 [1] Cornelia Links: ------ [1] http://www.jmr.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conJmrArticle.28

Hi there, Can anyone provide any information on the 600 tons iron steamship EBRO built 1853 by Scott & Co. Greenock for their own account. I am seeking the career and ultimate fate of this ship. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Hi Joe She is listed in Lloyds up to 1857 with the following detail. Ebro Iron Scr Stm 585 grs / 395 nrt Owner = Tintore & {blank} Port = Brcelon Voyage = Cly . Brcelon Last survey = 1853 As her last (only) survey was 1853 it looks like the builder sent her to Spain with a cargo and a for-sale sign hanging on the mast. I don't see an O.N under this name and reg year so its safe to assume she was sold in Spain. On the off chance that she came back to the British Registry with a new name I have extracted a list of steamers from the MNL 1860 whose NRT falls between 385 and 410 , 42 vessels, will send off line if all else fails it may be worth a check. Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe McMillan To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:51 AM Subject: [MAR] SS Ebro Hi there, Can anyone provide any information on the 600 tons iron steamship EBRO built 1853 by Scott & Co. Greenock for their own account. I am seeking the career and ultimate fate of this ship. Thank you in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, That was a sad story just posted. I noticed it was the year 1887. I continue to be curious how my ancestor's older brother "drowned at sea" during 1887. That is all the "KIDDER book" states: John KIDDER "loved the sea and drowned at sea in 1887." John lived along the Maine / New Brunswick border for all of his life. The 1881 census had him and his 2nd wife and all his children living in New Brunswick that year. I can only assume they were still there in 1887. But, a few yrs. later, his oldest son migrated to the Hawaiian Islands, married in Honolulu, and had children there. If John "loved the sea," he could have been anywhere in the world. I've tried to search for "ship tragedies" during 1887 before, and I believe I read that many happened. This morning I did another search and am finding some web pages which some might find interesting. I don't know if they've already been mentioned on this List: The Shipwreck map that was painted on the ceiling of the Galleon Seafood Cafe, in Port Renfrew, British Columbia, Canada was a memorial to all the men and women who lost their lives and their ships to the "Juan de Fuca's Graveyard. During the days of sail, 1830 - 1925, 137 major shipping tragedies occured in the immediate vicinity of the entrance to the Straits of Juan de Fuca. Internatonal recognition was given to this stretch of water off Port Renfrew. It became known as The Graveyard of The Pacific http://www.portrenfrew.com/wrecks.htm http://www3.gendisasters.com/massachusetts/17679/hurdock-ma-schoon-war-eagle-explosion-sept-1887 This web page mentions many tragedies in Australia, and one ship-tragedy is mentioned Shipwreck Cheviot Beach, Victoria 35 20 October 1887 SS Cheviot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_disasters_in_Australia_by_death_toll Here is a book which discusses "ship tragedies." http://books.google.com/books?id=vIZ7bFBjV0YC&pg=PA98&lpg=PA98&dq=%221887+ship+tragedy+loss%22&source=bl&ots=bMGsCrFXBN&sig=p2_7mftkV0cXf4OZcbViOgiI5Q8&hl=en&ei=2aqyTbLpL9Cftwf54LnpDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false I was searching "ship tragedies 1887 loss" but just changed it slightly to search for "ship tragedies 1887" (using quotation marks). And, I found this story mentioned about a "deck hand" who - tried to get away. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/351476/the_johannes_tragedy_of_1887.html Also, for a couple years I've been reminded how many ship-tragedies occurred on the "Great Lakes." http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~donegal/vernon1887.htm Betty (near Lowell, MA, USA) P.S. To get back to John KIDDER (1830-1887), we don't know the exact date of death, and we don't know what kinds of ships he sailed. We don't know his occupation. His widow and their 2 children moved to Hancock Co., Maine, and remained there. John had 5 children with his first wife who died young. The oldest, Charles, went to Hawaii, and had many children. I haven't been able to find another son; wonder if he also loved the sea. One teen-age daughter died in childbirth, and I can't find his youngest daughter as an adult. One son moved to NH and never married. His youngest son had many descendants.

this came into the Suffolk list today.... On Fri 04/22/11 10:10 AM , MICHAELCOOMBER@aol.com sent: >From The Newcastle Weekly Courant ( Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England ), Friday, February 4, 1887; Issue 11064. TERRIBLE SHIPWRECK. NEARLY 300 PERSONS DROWNED. The French barque "Ulysse" arrived at Bahia, on Monday, having on board some of the crew of the ship "Kapunda" bound for Australia from London, which was lost at sea, having been run down and sunk by a vessel, name unknown. The "Kapunda" sailed on December 11th from London for Freemantle, Western Australia. The names of those saved by a French barque the "Ulysse" , and landed at Bahia, are as follows:- PASSENGERS. William REECE , 40, Spennymore; wife and seven children drowned. Henry BARNES , 19, single, Notting Hill, London. Philip DALY , 27, single, Dublin. Robert SANDFORD , 23, single, Downpatrick. Robert WIGGINS , 18, Notting Hill, London. Cornelius O'Callaghan , 26, Ballyhorgan, Ballyduff. Noah BROADHURST , 42, married, Ilkeston. This man's wife and 8 children were drowned. A passenger named RUSSELL was saved, but it is not known which of the three men named RUSSELL he is. CREW. Wm. COTTRELL , first mate. Andrew FORBES , carpenter. F. MEICK , emigrants' baker. A. ANDERSON , able seaman. T. GORDON , able seaman. J. HUGHES , able seaman. W. NORMAN , ordinary seaman. L. MAUNTER , ordinary seaman. The list of the passengers who sailed in the ill-fated "Kapunda" has been corrected and revised by the owners, and the ages, occupations, and places of origin of most of the passengers added, and the list which follows may be accepted as conclusive :- CABIN PASSENGERS. William FIELD , schoolmaster, his wife, and two children, Croydon. PAYING STEERAGE PASSENGERS. Malcolm GRAHAM , 22, Dublin. Horace TARBUCK , 19, Southport. Wm. N. COOKE , 30, Chiswick. Samuel GREEN , 30; Kate GREEN, 27; and four children ; and Rosina GREEN , sister, 30, Whitchurch, Hants. Matthew SHARP , 35, Dublin. Symington GIBSON , 25, Dublin. Samuel HARPER , 30, Cornwall. Thomas HOLYOAKE , 26; Edith HOLYOAKE , 24 - booked from London. Alice WHITTLE , 67, London. Alfred M. HADDOW , London. The following passengers, thirty-four in number, were shipped under the auspices of the West Australian Land Company, being booked by agents of the company as from places named:- Michael BOLANS , wife, and four children, Limerick. Patrick GREEN , Balinalee. Philip DALY , Dublin. William King RUSSELL , Dublin. John PHELAN , Dublin. William ESSEX , Birmingham. George GILLILAND , Newry. John BROAD , wife and four children, Winchester. John MARTIN , Winchester. William BURGOYNE , Cardiff. John KENEALY , Dublin. Elisha GRIFFITHS , wife, and six children, Oakengates, Salop. ( Shropshire.) Joseph LIDDLE , wife, and two children, Newry. John McSHERRY and Thomas McSHERRY , Newry. The following were nominated by friends in the colony to the emigration agents at Perth for a free passage to go out and join them. They simply paid for their sea-kit, but had to find their way to Portsmouth to embark :- LOCAL PASSENGERS. Noah BROADHURST , 42; Emma, wife 38; and seven children, Middlesborough. Joseph Henry BROWN , quarryman, 23, his wife, and children, Wingate, Durham. William REECE , 40, labourer; Susannah, his wife, 40; and six children, Spennymoor. OTHER PASSENGERS. James TIETEN , 26, compositor, Belfast. George ANDERSON , 24, labourer, Blackburn. Thomas APLIN , 17, labourer, Newport ( Mon. ). Catherine BAIN , 20, domestic servant, Wick. Charles BROWN , 35; his wife, Martha, 35; and five children, mill labourer, Pentonville, London. Henry BAKER , 33; his wife, Ellen, 30; and four children, farm labourer, Chippenham. Henry BARNES , 19, carpenter, Notting hill, London. James BOURKE , 40; Mary, his wife, 43; and five children; miller's labourer, Clare Castle, County Clare. John BUCKLEY , 22, farm labourer, Limerick. Arthur Frederick BURROUGHS , 32, harness maker; wife and child; Maidstone. John BYRNE , 22, farm labourer, New Ross. Margaret CARTER , 22; Helen CARTER , 19, domestic servants, Moy Cullen, Galway. James CASEY , New Ross. James CASEY , 26, carpenter; Mary CASEY , 25; William CASEY , 27; Tom CASEY , 1; Homerton, London. Samuel COLLINS , 20, labourer, and wife, Nottingham. George COOK , 39, brickmaker; Emily, his wife, 31; and five children, Hayes, Middlesex. Thomas DANBY , 28, labourer; Eliza, his wife, 25; and child, Gainsborough. Thomas DOWLING , 40, navvy; Hannah, his wife, 40; and child, Bermondsey. Thomas FLANNAGAN , 24, farm labourer, Ennis. James FROST ,26; Joseph FROST , 24; farm labourers, Ennis. Arthur GLOSTER , 19; Rebecca GLOSTER , 18, farm servants, Tralee, Kerry. George GRIGGS , 34, bricklayer; Sarah GRIGGS , 33; and four children, Leyton, Essex. Alexander GRAHAM , 44, married, Liverpool; on the way to join her husband. W.G. HALLIDAY , 21, van driver, Manchester. Isaac HIGH , 35, carpenter; Harriet, his wife, 35; and child, Norwich. Amos HOOLEY , 18; Samuel HOOLEY, 17; miners, Stockport. Fred JOST , 42, painter; Mary, his wife, 36; and five children, Bethnal Green, London. Patrick KEELEY , 39, painter; Jane, his wife, 35; and child; Wigan. James LEADER , 33, carpenter; Sarah, his wife, 37, and child, Tottenham. Annie LOCKWOOD , domestic servant, Sheffield. James LOVE , 23, labourer,. Cavan. Henry McINEREY , 22, tailor, Ennis. Patrick McMAHON , 24, baker, Ennis. John MORRIS , 27, bricklayer's labourer; Mary, his wife, 23; and two children, Stepney. John McBRIDE , 20, gasfitter, Belfast. Bridget MOYLAN , 20, domestic servant, Cree, co. Clare. Hannah WARKHAM , 17, servant girl, Labesheeda, co.Clare. Patrick NYHAN , 17; Julia, 16, Camborne, Cornwall. Cornelius O'CALLAGHAN , 26, farm labourer, Ballyhorgan, Ballybuff. Thomas Henry PLATTS , 23, ironmoulder; his wife, Annie, 22; and child, Somercotes, Alfreton. James POWER , 30, tailor; Mary, his wife, 29; and child, Wigan. Christiania REYNOLDS ,36; Samuel, her son,18 miner, Redruth, Cornwall. Matilda RICE , 24, and three children, Glasgow. Joseph ROBERTS , 26, navvy; Frances, his wife, 23, and two children, Liverpool. Michael RUSSELL , 28; John RUSSELL , 32, farm labourers, Ennis. Hannah SALT , 23, servant, Derby. Robert SANDFORD , 23, compositor, Portadown. William SHAW , 19, compositor; Eliza SHAW , 38, his widowed mother. James SHERIFF , 45, forman of works; Ann, his wife, and seven children, Broughty Ferry, N.B. Frederick William SHRIVE ,24, engine tenter; his wife, Ada, 20 ; and child, Gainsborough. Frederick SNEYD , 31, carpenter, Sheffield, William George SPRIGGS , 15, gardener, Long Ditton, Surrey. William THOMPSON ,38, carpenter; Jane, his wife, 38, Tottenham Court Road, London. Stephen FOLLADAY , 38, soapboiler, and three children, Sudbury, Suffolk. Robert TURNBULL , 32, carpenter; and Jane, his wife 32, Hammersmith. James WALLER , 34, bootmaker; Charlotte, his wife, 32; and child, London. William H. WEBB , 21, labourer, Brightlingsea. Aaron WEISS , 28, carpenter, London. Thomas WHITTLE , 37, coachbuilder; Nancy, his wife, 36, and five children, London. Maurice WHITTLEY , 27, printer; Martha, his wife, 24; and three children, Belfast. Robert WIGGINS , 18, plasterer, London. Jas. WILSON , 26, joiner; Mary, his wife, 25, Belfast. Barbara YOUNG ,18; John YOUNG ,16, New Rose. Charles WOOD , 37, brewer; Elizabeth, his wife, 35, and four children, Cambridge. The following were domestic servants selected by the Crown agents :- >From Brighton:- Emma GAULKER , 35, cook. Martha FIELD , 23, nurse. Emily BLAKE , 19, nurse. Emily SCRUTTON ,27. Esther ELLIS , 21. >From Addlestone, Surrey :- Agnes SARGENT , 16, laundress. Elizabeth TELLING ,15, laundress. Mary Ann WRIGHT ,16, laundress. Frances ALEXANDER , 21, Finsbury. Louisa JACQUES , 23, nurse, Eastcheap. Eleanor SHAW , 23, cook, London. Harriet BROWN , 21, nurse, Kingston -on-Thames. Rosa BROWN , 21, Housemaid, London. Esther ELLIS , 21, Brighton. Ada BLAKE , 18, laundress, Upper Tooting. Eliza Mary THANE , 20, nurse, Dublin. Agnes PURCER , 22, housemaid, Cheltenham. Alice Emma THICK , 18, housemaid, London. Mary Jane SKELTON , 34, Dublin. Mabel SKINNER , 18, London. Annie WARNER, 19, cook, London. Mary Ann DAWSON , 28, Whitechapel. Mary POSTLETHWAITE , nurse, Sheffield. Eliza DARNLEY , 18. Birmingham. Jane IRVINE , 24, Armagh. Emma HOOPER , 18, Edmonton. Mary EVANS , 29, nurse, New Hampton. Charlotte ADAMS , 18, London. Catherine HONEY , 16, Southsea. Emily HALL , Wantage. This email is being sent to the following RootsWeb lists:- Surrey , Lancashire , Kent , Middlesex , Yorkshire , Suffolk , Sussex and Oxford. Anyone subscribed to any other sites whereby this may help a researcher please feel free to forward it on. 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I have a large amount of data on British ships, masters and crews that sailed for South America during the period 1780 to 1820; back when the southern american continent was shifting from an enclave of the Spanish empire to independent nations with ties to the UK and US. For MIchelle, off list why don't you send me your ancestors details and I'll see what I can find. Chris Maxworthy Australian Association for Maritime History (AAMH) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Subject: [MAR] Thank You To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> A big thank you to all that helped me with my "River Platte" question. I now have a lot of info about it . Michelle

Paul Per my recent message re searching for a man's service record please see : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/royal-navy-service.asp where it can be downloaded for a small fee. Paul On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 15:13:38 -0400, <pdfflyer@roadrunner.com> wrote: > I have been researching the name James Black, >who was lost overboard from the Victoria and Albert, >an ordinary seaman between the 1871 census date and the March, 1876 date of his sisters wedding. > Another option was the name James Wallace, same details. He is not found in the 1881 census. > Family lore is he was lost overboard in rough weather from the Queen's yacht. I would appreciate any details available to search for crew lists of this yacht, or to view ships log. > Regards, Enjoy the Easter Holidays > Paul Francis > >---- Kogaylene Ruddick <kdruddick@shaw.ca> wrote: >> I must have got the name wrong. Does anyone know of any >> sources for crew lists for Royal Yacht 'Albert and Victoria' or >> perhaps it was called 'Victoria and Albert'. >> Thanks for help with correct name. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Further to my last the only documents that appear to have survived are the ship's logs .. please see the National Archives catalogue at : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/search.asp Paul On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 11:53:29 -0700, Kogaylene Ruddick <kdruddick@shaw.ca> wrote: >I must have got the name wrong. Does anyone know of any >sources for crew lists for Royal Yacht 'Albert and Victoria' or >perhaps it was called 'Victoria and Albert'. >Thanks for help with correct name. > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Kogaylene Ummm, I think you mean Victoria and Albert and regret no, muster lists, which would have provided the information you are seeking, were phased out in the late 1870s and replaced by ledgers, which, unfortunately, were, I gather, all destroyed circa 1940 by enemy action. If you haven't already done so you may be able download his service record for a small fee : http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/documentsonline/navy.asp If you have any queries regarding the document I will attempt to help, although changes between then and when I worked on similar records in the 1950s-60s sometimes mean that I can't always provide the answer. Paul On Thu, 21 Apr 2011 01:06:51 -0700, Kogaylene Ruddick <kdruddick@shaw.ca> wrote: >Hello, >Are there any crew lists for the Royal Yacht that Albert and Elisabeth >would spend time on? >I think this is the one that family member worked on as either a >Steward or a Stoker in >1890's approximately. >Thanks > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

There have been three Royal Yachts called V&A - Neville a.. Victoria and Albert (1843-1855) - remained in-service as Osbourne (1855-1867) a.. Victoria and Albert (ii) (1855-1900) a.. Victoria and Albert (iii) (1901-1937) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kogaylene Ruddick" <kdruddick@shaw.ca> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:53 PM Subject: [MAR] Albert and Victoria or Victoria and Albert >I must have got the name wrong. Does anyone know of any > sources for crew lists for Royal Yacht 'Albert and Victoria' or > perhaps it was called 'Victoria and Albert'. > Thanks for help with correct name. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Or perhaps even VICTORIA AND ALBERT. Peter Beeston -----Original Message----- From: Neville Rasmussen Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 8:22 PM To: Kogaylene Ruddick ; MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [MAR] Royal yacht ?Albert and Elizabeth Don't you mean Albert and Victoria? Neville ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kogaylene Ruddick" <kdruddick@shaw.ca> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 10:06 AM Subject: [MAR] Royal yacht ?Albert and Elizabeth > Hello, > Are there any crew lists for the Royal Yacht that Albert and Elisabeth > would spend time on? > I think this is the one that family member worked on as either a > Steward or a Stoker in > 1890's approximately. > Thanks > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have been researching the name James Black, who was lost overboard from the Victoria and Albert, an ordinary seaman between the 1871 census date and the March, 1876 date of his sisters wedding. Another option was the name James Wallace, same details. He is not found in the 1881 census. Family lore is he was lost overboard in rough weather from the Queen's yacht. I would appreciate any details available to search for crew lists of this yacht, or to view ships log. Regards, Enjoy the Easter Holidays Paul Francis ---- Kogaylene Ruddick <kdruddick@shaw.ca> wrote: > I must have got the name wrong. Does anyone know of any > sources for crew lists for Royal Yacht 'Albert and Victoria' or > perhaps it was called 'Victoria and Albert'. > Thanks for help with correct name. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message