Gentlemen/Mariners. For some reason I have ceased receiving the group e-mails since 18th May.   Could you please re-instate this as I very much enjoy reading the comments from contributors - though I have been unable to contribute anything. My address is     cajackman@westnet.com.au Very many thanks in advance,   Colin Jackman (ex The Prince Line)

Hi Members If you experience difficulties using the list please contact the list Admin we will be happy to sort it out for you. Mariners-admin@rootsweb.com Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: cajackman@westnet.com.au To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 2:00 PM Subject: [MAR] Missing e-mails Gentlemen/Mariners. For some reason I have ceased receiving the group e-mails since 18th May. Could you please re-instate this as I very much enjoy reading the comments from contributors - though I have been unable to contribute anything. My address is cajackman@westnet.com.au Very many thanks in advance, Colin Jackman (ex The Prince Line) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is it just quiet? I received your mail but haven't had any others for a few days. -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cajackman@westnet.com.au Sent: 24 May 2011 14:01 To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Missing e-mails Gentlemen/Mariners. For some reason I have ceased receiving the group e-mails since 18th May. Could you please re-instate this as I very much enjoy reading the comments from contributors - though I have been unable to contribute anything. My address is cajackman@westnet.com.au Very many thanks in advance, Colin Jackman (ex The Prince Line) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Colin There are few posts at present on any lists Have you checked the list archives to see if you have missed any? To check the list archives go to :- http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ (a) Select Mailing Lists from the top bar menu Enter the list name (ie Mariners for example) in the lower box Select the required list if more than one option presented Scroll down and select Search or Browse the list archives Browse will show a month by month listing (click links to drill down) Search will check for your search term across all posts to that list Or you can search across all lists archives by using the upper of the search boxes as in (a) above If you have not received any of the archived posts, its possible your spam filters are responsible or your ISP Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) PS the fact your request hit the list means you are still subscribed > Gentlemen/Mariners. > > For some reason I have ceased receiving the group e-mails since 18th May. Could you please > re-instate this as I very much enjoy reading the comments from contributors - though I have been > unable to contribute anything. > Colin Jackman (ex The Prince Line)

Can anyone help me with information about this ship, built by Steele and Co at Greenock in 1874? She was used mainly in the Java sugar trade but made voyages to the west coast of the USA, Japan, New Zealand, Australia and South Africa. I've uploaded an image of a painting of her to the Mariners Photo Gallery site. I've been compiling her history and have quite a lot of information on her voyages up to 1896, when she was sold to the Fratelli Cosulich in Trieste. In particular, I am seeking a photograph of her - I can't find one on the web, though there are photos of her sister ships Eurydice and Niobe. Also, any information on her voyages or history after 1896, when her home port was Trieste, would be very valuable Cheers Ultra039

We occasionally have cause to comment here on the doubtful age of RN seamen during the 19th Century, and even later, so thought the following comment by a naval surgeon in 1840 apropos discussing the health of seamen in the 1830s, which not only confirms our suspicions, but gives a few reasons why this might be the case....he is discussing the age of seamen and the relevance to health.....and as you see, he thinks that collecting statistics at that date would be a waste of time : "They often serve long in the mercantile, before they enter the royal navy; there are no accounts of their ages but those given by themselves, which are frequently erroneous, sometimes from ignorance or carelessness, sometimes from design. Lads who enter the service, and whose ages are ascertained, are discharged from it at the end of three or four years; many of them then go into merchant ships, to return to the service, if at all, after the lapse of years, when they give their respective ages at any number of years they please. The medical officers of the navy know how common it is for a sailor to grow older by ten or twelve years in as many' months, according to his statements. He is aware that after a specified age he will not be admitted into the royal navy. It is his object to enter it, perhaps to get out of a merchant ship, which he dislikes, because he prefers the public service after.a trial of the other, or that he wants to complete a period of time. to entitle him to a pension; and in either case, if above the regulation age, he states himself to be under it. But in a year or two he has completed the time he wanted for a pension, or tires of the order, and discipline of a ship of war, and wishes to return to the comparative license of a merchant ship. He is then anxious to be invalided, and therefore often feigns disease, if he has none, and to aid his design, overstates, as he had formerly understated, his age; and he will affirm that, though he was only 39 some eighteen months ago, he is now 60 years of age. It would be highly satisfactory in an inquiry like this, to get rid of such sources of uncertainly, and error in the age of seamen, but it is felt, till they are removed, that any calculation of its power on health, during short periods could not make any thing like a near approach to accuracy; it is therefore better not to enter on an inquiry which could lead only to vague, or to false conclusions." Source : Sickness, Mortality, and Invalding in the Royal Navy and Army 1830-36 - Published by the House of Lords 1840 - Accounts and Papers - Vol XVII - which appears in an item in Google Books entitled sickness, mortality, & invaliding.pdf Nice to know it isn't our imagination, although I think we usually have similar problems with boy seamen rather than the able variety :-) Paul

Hi Members. A Reminder For The Mariners List Photo Gallery. http://www.mariners-list.com/gallery To register for membership email gallery@mariners-list.com with the words "sign me up" include your desired user name. You will be emailed a password. When you first login change your pass word. What can you do with it. 1. Upload images to support your questions on the list, how many times have we had members describing a photo of a uniform, badge, medal or a photo of Grand Dad wondering if any of us had ever been to sea with him ? . 2. Create your own Maritime Photo Gallery of Ships, Events or Places which may be of interest to others. 3. Comment or add information on Images uploaded by others. 4. Send Images as Email Greeting Cards. File types which can be uploaded to the Gallery Image Files : jpg , jpeg , png , gif. Documents : Microsoft Word, Excel, Power Point, Publisher, PDF And Txt. Movie Types : We can also host movies, but as we are restricted to space and band width best contact me first. Mick O Rourke Mariners List

If any lister can help me fill in some of the gaps for Andrew Kerbyson's career, and/or tell me more about the sailing vessels he served in/captained and his voyages, I'd greatly appreciate it. To date, this is what I know: 1866 - Andrew Kerbyson was born near Withernsea, East Riding of Yorkshire, England. 1883, 26 May - he signed on as a "boy"; vessel name illegible, reg. Glasgow, no. 00320 or 00326, 563 tons, Rig 09; discharged 26 Apr 1884 as an O.S. 1884, 17 Jun - he signed on as an O.S.; *Caitloch,* reg. Greenock, no. 72377, 1263 tons, Rig 09; discharged 9 Jul 1885. 1885, 3 Sep - he signed on as a 'stew' (ard?); *Caitloch,* details as above, discharged 11 Oct 1886. 1886, 9 Nov - he signed on as an AB; *Nebo, *reg. Glasgow, no. 78557, 1382 tons, Rig 09; discharged 16 Jun 1888. 1888, 27 Jul - examined at Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England and passed tests for 2nd Mate. Certificate issued at Hull on 4 Aug 1888. 1890/1891 - 2nd Mate on the *Nebo,* 1383 tons, which arrived at Sydney, New South Wales from New York, USA on 13 Oct 1891. 1894/1895 - 1st Mate on the *Largo Law*, 1586 tons, of Glasgow, which arrived at Sydney, New South Wales from Caleta Buena, Chile on 6 Apr 1895. 1896, 27 Jun - awarded his Certificate of Competency as Master of a Foreign-Going Ship, By Order of the Board of Trade, London. 1904, 1 Jul - Master of the *Gulf Stream*, reg. Glasgow, no. 89987, 1397 tons net, from Belfast to Newcastle, New South Wales, then via Tocopilla, Chile to Hamburg, Germany, the voyage terminating on 4 Aug 1905. 1909 - Master of the *Clackmannanshire*, 1481 tons, of Glasgow, which arrived at Sydney, New South Wales from Newcastle (UK or NSW?) on 11 Dec 1909. 1909 - Annie Kerbyson, wife of Captain Andrew Kerbyson, and their son, Andrew age 5, passengers on the steamship *Runic,* of Liverpool, arrived at Sydney, NSW from Liverpool, UK, via Cape Town and Melbourne, on 12 Nov 1909. 1936 - Andrew Kerbyson died in London, UK age 70. Thanks in anticipation. Barry

Hello Barry You know, I THOUGHT there was something funny about the official numbers of the first ship. 320 or 326 are very low numbers and they refer respectively to the AZORIAN of London (101 tons) and AMITY of Goole (50 tons), neither of which fits your description. Since this is the 1880s, it is more likely that he was on a vessel with a 5-digit number beginning with 6, which can look like a 0..... The IMUNCINA, ON 60326, 583 tons, of Glasgow, maybe fits the bill much better? She was a barque, built at Govan in 1867 owned by John Donaldson of 165 St Vincent Street. Could that be her? 165 foot long, beam 30ft, depth 17 foot, further details here: http://www.clydesite.co.uk/clydebuilt/viewship.asp?id=13060 There is a wreck report for her fire dated 1889 at http://www.plimsoll.org/resources/SCCLibraries/WreckReports/15653.asp . It would appear from the very little I can see on the 19th Century Newspapers free index search (I don't have a subscription!) that she sailed from Antwerp for somewhere else on 24th April 1884 so that MIGHT fit in with a discharge date of the 26th. Crew agreement for voyage ending 1884 is at the MHA at MUN http://www.mun.ca/mha/holdings/searchcombinedcrews.php (enter 60326 in the search box). The only drawback to this neat theory is that the mystery vessel is described as "Rig 09" and the other vessels - CAITLOCH and NEBO - with this description were both ship-rigged, not barques. It sounds as if you have his applications for examinations so should be able to check whether the name/number might fit. If you wanted to follow up the IMUNCINA's crew agreement, I have found that if you ask the MHA librarians nicely they will check whether the name you want appears before copying a document - it will cost you a small fee for their time, but will save you a larger one if it is wrong. Otherwise Kerbyson and the barque GULF STREAM are mentioned in the Sydney Morning Herald of 27 June 1902. They arrived at Sydney "yesterday morning after a passage of 100 days from Glasgow.... Captain Kerbyson reports having experienced fine weather throughout the voyage. The GULF STREAM brings a general cargo for Sydney and Newcastle and upon discharge will load coal at Newcastle for a foreign port, the name of which has not yet been disclosed." http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/14442585 If you Google "Captain Kerbyson" in quotes, you should find a reference to a 1915 document referring to a Captain Kerbyson in passing. It concerns supplies delivered from Portland to Pitcairn Island free of charge, so may refer to him. Oddly he does not appear in the index to Lloyds Captains registers, which goes to show that it's not comprehensive. There seem to be many Google hits on terms like "barque gulf stream" and the names of vessels with their official numbers. Cheers Piers -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Barry Chapman Sent: 16 May 2011 11:40 To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Captain Andrew KERBYSON, UK based, 1866-1936 If any lister can help me fill in some of the gaps for Andrew Kerbyson's career, and/or tell me more about the sailing vessels he served in/captained and his voyages, I'd greatly appreciate it. To date, this is what I know: 1866 - Andrew Kerbyson was born near Withernsea, East Riding of Yorkshire, England. 1883, 26 May - he signed on as a "boy"; vessel name illegible, reg. Glasgow, no. 00320 or 00326, 563 tons, Rig 09; discharged 26 Apr 1884 as an O.S. 1884, 17 Jun - he signed on as an O.S.; *Caitloch,* reg. Greenock, no. 72377, 1263 tons, Rig 09; discharged 9 Jul 1885. 1885, 3 Sep - he signed on as a 'stew' (ard?); *Caitloch,* details as above, discharged 11 Oct 1886. 1886, 9 Nov - he signed on as an AB; *Nebo, *reg. Glasgow, no. 78557, 1382 tons, Rig 09; discharged 16 Jun 1888. 1888, 27 Jul - examined at Hull, East Riding of Yorkshire, England and passed tests for 2nd Mate. Certificate issued at Hull on 4 Aug 1888. 1890/1891 - 2nd Mate on the *Nebo,* 1383 tons, which arrived at Sydney, New South Wales from New York, USA on 13 Oct 1891. 1894/1895 - 1st Mate on the *Largo Law*, 1586 tons, of Glasgow, which arrived at Sydney, New South Wales from Caleta Buena, Chile on 6 Apr 1895. 1896, 27 Jun - awarded his Certificate of Competency as Master of a Foreign-Going Ship, By Order of the Board of Trade, London. 1904, 1 Jul - Master of the *Gulf Stream*, reg. Glasgow, no. 89987, 1397 tons net, from Belfast to Newcastle, New South Wales, then via Tocopilla, Chile to Hamburg, Germany, the voyage terminating on 4 Aug 1905. 1909 - Master of the *Clackmannanshire*, 1481 tons, of Glasgow, which arrived at Sydney, New South Wales from Newcastle (UK or NSW?) on 11 Dec 1909. 1909 - Annie Kerbyson, wife of Captain Andrew Kerbyson, and their son, Andrew age 5, passengers on the steamship *Runic,* of Liverpool, arrived at Sydney, NSW from Liverpool, UK, via Cape Town and Melbourne, on 12 Nov 1909. 1936 - Andrew Kerbyson died in London, UK age 70. Thanks in anticipation. Barry ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Barry,   Have you 'done' Google Books?   First try, this popped up .... see below. I believe some members of this list have collections of this magazine; you might possibly get a copy of the article. Sea breezes: the ship lovers' digest: Volume 3 Pacific Steam Navigation Company - 1947 - Snippet view MEMORIES OF THE " INVERNESS-SHIRE " In response to the concluding paragraph regarding the four-masted barque Inverness-shire in your January issue, I may say I was an apprentice in the Clackmannanshire (Capt. A. Kerbyson) and we loaded ... books.google.co.uk -     Then, there's this one: The last of the windjammers: with illus. and plans [reprinted]: Volume 2 Basil Lubbock - 1949 - Snippet view ... Robert Greig JG Hannah E. Hansen OH Henderson C. Hill J. Houghton JN Kennedy A. Kerbyson W. Lane WC McGibbon Angus McKinnon John Nichol ... Gulf Stream, Clackmannanshire. Kincardineshire. Agnes Oswald, Dumfriesshire. Kinross-shire. ... books.google.co.uk - More editions   And there are several editions online of the Mercantile Navy List and Lloyd's register which will tell you rigging and specs for his ships, or do you already have all that?   Regards, Adi         --- On Mon, 5/16/11, Barry Chapman <barry56again@gmail.com> wrote: If any lister can help me fill in some of the gaps for Andrew Kerbyson's career, and/or tell me more about the sailing vessels he served in/captained and his voyages, I'd greatly appreciate it..........

Hello Harold,   A place to look is the Mercantile Navy List. Ships are listed there twice - once in alphabetical order and once in Official Number order.   The online Digital Archives Initiative at Memorial University of Newfoundland has five volumes digitized: 1876, 1880, 1892, 1896, 1921. http://collections.mun.ca/cdm4/menu_open.php?CISOROOT=/mha_mercant&CISOPTR=8093&CISOSHOW=-1   If you download the 1876 volume, STERLING, O.N. 50493, is on page 489 of 582 - built Boston, USA, 1864, owner William Kelly, Liverpool.   N. B.  - In that edition and some others, sailing vessels and steam vessels are on separate lists.   There are several editions online at Google Books incl. 1850, 1860, 1861, 1867.   Regards, Adi   --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Hwabz@aol.com <Hwabz@aol.com> wrote: Hi ~ I'm looking at xerox copies of Lloyd's Captains Registers where I've  found two ships of interest with official numbers (ONs) that are difficult to  decipher. EXPRESS - ON looks like 44633 STERLING - ON looks like ?0493 I've checked the Ship Information Database but couldn't find an Express or  Sterling there with similar looking ONs. Are there any other online  resources that might help me confirm the ONs of these ships? Thanks very much, Harold

Many years ago I had limited progress looking for family members in the lists of Seaman’s Tickets at the PRO. However I am very much the amateur and wondered if anything has been transcribed, or if there are other records that might give indication as to the career of my 3x great grandfather and his son. I am not very confident with what I’ve got – couldn’t work out the ports from which they sailed to and from (except Exeter kept cropping up), neither could I ascertain any names of vessels on which they sailed. WILLIAM ROBERT (SMITH) PINE : born 30th April 1818 Exmouth. Registered (1835-1844 system), but I couldn’t comprehend the ticket number or details given!. I couldn’t find him in the (1845-1854) system but I would imagine he must have been active and then in (1853-1857) I think I found him with ticket number 32955. He married Mary Ann MARSHALL in November 1842 at Starcross (other side of estuary) and they had 5 children all born Exmouth. WILLIAM was at home, noted as mariner on all census occasions except 1851. In 1851 both William and his wife and 3 young children are not registered in Devon. An error or could they have been at sea? William died September 1874. I have a studio photo of this man taken at Exmouth. I believe his father, and probably other family members worked the ferryboat across the Exmouth estuary. Certainly the family home was the isolated house on the sand banks which jutted out into the estuary. WILLIAM ROBERT PINE: born April 1845 Exmouth. 1851 census – no reference. 1861 mariner living at home. Married 1867 London Central – described mariner. Oldest son born Erith,Kent in 1867. Second son born Victoria Docks in 1870. 1871 his wife & sons at Exmouth but William described ‘at sea’. Died 1874, on day of father’s funeral (a drowning accident in Exmouth harbour) Any help most appreciated. Anne

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Hi Karen I think I would be a bit suspicious about the 1896 description of him as a "master mariner" too. First, the chap himself was dead, so it wasn't necessarily how he would have described himself; secondly, his daughter may not have understood the distinction between "mariner" and "master mariner", and thirdly, she may have understood the distinction very well but wanted to present herself as being the daughter of a master, rather than a mere sailor. Certainly he is not in the index to Lloyds Captains Register, though this may not be conclusive of his NOT being a master; he may never have sailed on a "foreign" voyage. Have you had any luck with Gale's 19th Century British Newspapers online (access available through certain libraries) or any Irish Directories? Maybe there might be a notice of his death? Have you checked whether there is any record of a probate of his will or letters of administration? I gather that a great many records were destroyed but that some survive. Findmypast.com seems to have a new Irish section. He is maybe more likely to appear if he WAS a master mariner. Ancestry has some additional Liverpool Parish register documents come online in the last few days including the marriage records and the baptism certificates of at least one child. -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Karen McLaughlin Sent: 12 May 2011 23:29 To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Washington Cunningham, Master Mariner ? Hi All I am hoping someone out there can help me to find further information about my gt gt grandfather Washington Cunningham who was a mariner - and possibly even a Master Mariner by the time he died. He was probably born around 1835 but birthplace is unknown. According to marriage certificate, his father was George Cunningham, a ship's carpenter. Between 1856 and 1862 Washington appears to have been a 'mariner' based in Liverpool (ref info taken from marriage certificate (1856) + baptism records of 3 daughters (1857/1860/1862). However, I cannot find the family on the 1861 England census. The family must have moved across to N. Ireland because in 1864 a 4th daughter (my gt grandmother - Catherine Rebecca) is born in Strangford, N.Ireland. In 1871, a son is born in Ballyculter, Strangford, N.Ireland and Washington's occupation is given as 'sailor'. By 1896 he is deceased - his name (deceased) appears on his daughter Catherine Rebecca's 1896 marriage certificate and his occupation is given as Master Mariner. If anyone could give me new information or point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful. I visited the records office at Kew but was unable to find Washington Cunningham's name on any maritime index. Many thanks Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Karen Liverpool Parish Records (both Church of England and Catholic) have just become available online with ancestry.co.uk. This could help with pre-1837 information, as well as fill in gaps on National Registers. Regards Dawn Sent from my iPhone On 12 May 2011, at 23:28, Karen McLaughlin <mclaughlin.km@googlemail.com> wrote: Hi All I am hoping someone out there can help me to find further information about my gt gt grandfather Washington Cunningham who was a mariner - and possibly even a Master Mariner by the time he died. He was probably born around 1835 but birthplace is unknown. According to marriage certificate, his father was George Cunningham, a ship's carpenter. Between 1856 and 1862 Washington appears to have been a 'mariner' based in Liverpool (ref info taken from marriage certificate (1856) + baptism records of 3 daughters (1857/1860/1862). However, I cannot find the family on the 1861 England census. The family must have moved across to N. Ireland because in 1864 a 4th daughter (my gt grandmother - Catherine Rebecca) is born in Strangford, N.Ireland. In 1871, a son is born in Ballyculter, Strangford, N.Ireland and Washington's occupation is given as 'sailor'. By 1896 he is deceased - his name (deceased) appears on his daughter Catherine Rebecca's 1896 marriage certificate and his occupation is given as Master Mariner. If anyone could give me new information or point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful. I visited the records office at Kew but was unable to find Washington Cunningham's name on any maritime index. Many thanks Karen ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello once again, I am wondering where the best place is to find out about : Robert STEWART (aka Robert Charles Stewart) Occupation noted as: Sea Captain and Master Mariner * 1832: born 12 Dec - Grobsness, Delting, Shetland Islands (son of Ninian Stewart, Fisheries Officer at Grobness) * 1862: married (age 30 yrs) 12 Feb Mary Kennedy ALLAN - London * 1864: son born 1 Dec James Nicholson Stewart - Limehouse, London * 1871: wife Mary Stewart died - Bow, Bethnal Green, London * 1879: Capt Robt. Stewart died 1 Nov - New Haven, Connecticut (perhaps a shipwreck?) Thank you.. Cheers Noni Brown.

Hi All I am hoping someone out there can help me to find further information about my gt gt grandfather Washington Cunningham who was a mariner - and possibly even a Master Mariner by the time he died. He was probably born around 1835 but birthplace is unknown. According to marriage certificate, his father was George Cunningham, a ship's carpenter. Between 1856 and 1862 Washington appears to have been a 'mariner' based in Liverpool (ref info taken from marriage certificate (1856) + baptism records of 3 daughters (1857/1860/1862). However, I cannot find the family on the 1861 England census. The family must have moved across to N. Ireland because in 1864 a 4th daughter (my gt grandmother - Catherine Rebecca) is born in Strangford, N.Ireland. In 1871, a son is born in Ballyculter, Strangford, N.Ireland and Washington's occupation is given as 'sailor'. By 1896 he is deceased - his name (deceased) appears on his daughter Catherine Rebecca's 1896 marriage certificate and his occupation is given as Master Mariner. If anyone could give me new information or point me in the right direction, I'd be extremely grateful. I visited the records office at Kew but was unable to find Washington Cunningham's name on any maritime index. Many thanks Karen

Hi Thelma The Vessel lost late in late December 1904 enroute to Rotterdam was the Steam Ship Berrington, Official Number 53117. SS Benington continued in the Register up to 1915. To start SS.Berrington was built By Palmers at Newcastle in 1865. She was a 767 gross ton cargo vessel owned by John Fenwick and Son 57 Gracechurch Street (I presume London) the last registration detail I can find is 1899 when she was registered in Howdon. Lloyds Casualty List reports. The Berrington Sailed from the Tyne for Rotterdam on the 28th of December 1904 and was never heard of again. The only report of her loss I can find is in The Times, Friday, Jan 06, 1905 which lists William as the 2nd Engineer. I have placed an image of the report for you on our image Gallery, you will need to apply for membership to the gallery to view a larger image. http://www.mariners-list.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=6 There may also be a Board Of Trade wreck report but I don't have any information on that, someone else on the list might be able to give you directions as to where this may be kept. Mick O Rourke Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: thelma colman To: mariners mailing list Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 3:49 PM Subject: [MAR] SS BENINGTON

Harold, Express 44633 is correct and was a sailing ship registered in Liverpool.in 1862 Sterling - this is probably 72913 and was a steamship, registered Shanghai in 1901 there was also a Sterling 50493 sail, 1864 Liverpool. Info from http://www.crewlist.org.uk/data/vesselsalpha.php regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hwabz@aol.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2011 4:18 AM Subject: [MAR] Deciphering ship official numbers > > Hi ~ I'm looking at xerox copies of Lloyd's Captains Registers where I've > found two ships of interest with official numbers (ONs) that are difficult > to decipher. > > EXPRESS - ON looks like 44633 44633 > STERLING - ON looks like ?0493 72913 > > I've checked the Ship Information Database but couldn't find an Express or > Sterling there with similar looking ONs. Are there any other online > resources that might help me confirm the ONs of these ships? > > Thanks very much, > > Harold > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3629 - Release Date: 05/10/11 18:34:00