I just realised that I wrote that the SALAMANY and the ENTERPRISE / Enterprize would be post 1830, whereas I should have written PRE 1830. I apologise for the error. so the two ships that I am looking for would have been before April 1830 with thanks Jenny

Obviously the system works, so I hope someone can help find James Grimshaw. Judith William _____ Hello Mariners, Thanks for your VERY rapid responses, even if they are automatically generated. Good system. My query is about James Grimshaw of Liverpool. His daughter, Hannah, died in Sydney in 1885,aged 82 years. Her death certificate stated that her father's occupation was "Master Mariner". We understand that she left England in 1830 with her husband, John Williams (!) and two sons. We would like to know whether there is a way of confirming the occupation. I have already begun the guessing game of possible dates for him, but at present would guess a birth of 1770's. Judith Williams, Metung, Victoria, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Peter, I am replying openly to the List on this admin matter in case it is of general help to others apart from yourself. Our membership listing at Rootsweb is based on email addresses so if you wish to start using a different/new address then, yes, you unsubscribe from your "old" email (essential you use that "old" address, otherwise won't work!), and resubscribe with your "new" address. This applies similarly if, retaining your email address, you wish to move from receiving individual messages to digest listing, for instance, during holiday periods, etc. Full details at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/other/Occupations/Mariners.html More generally, members with queries similar to this from Peter should address their question offlist to info@mariners-l.co.uk using the link that is now showing on most Mariners' website pages. Peter - we have now received confirmation from Rootsweb that you have unsubscribed and successfully resubscribed using your same regular email address. Now that I understand your enquiry better I'm not sure whether technically you should have needed to do so through merely adjusting your "from" name (I initially thought you were intending to change your actual email address!) Co-administrator Mick may know better than I. Several test messages from you did, indeed, work through to the List! Ron Mapplebeck Joint Administrator **** On 16/06/2011 10:54, D KLEIN wrote: > Hello. If I change my "From" name in my email address, will I have > to resubscribe to the list? Test emails sent to Mariners-L bounced > back as undeliverable. > > Thanks, > > Peter Klein > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please > send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message >

Well after three years of trying to get some documents from the archives in WA I have been successfull.!!! My now favourite niece popped in for me whilst over there on work undertakings (but on her day off, of course) and secured the papers for me. Finally I have a lead on tracing the former history of my Captain Armstrong. In one of the documents he is applying for a position as a pilot, and he gives references, presumably from former employers (or maybe aquaintances) but I shall work on the former theory first. So what I am looking for now is for any information on L- The Salamany, with her captain R. Wamms (?) and The Enterprise, captain James Dillon. Both ships will be post April 1830. Possibly Royal Navy, If anyone can start the ball rolling, I will go and hunt through the collections and see what I can find, but I would be grateful for any leads cheers Jenny Fawcett

Hi Joan I have 13 Enterprizes Built in Maine USA. UK ships were often built in the states. If you are interested, I'll provide a list of their info. Pleasent at 40 30'16"N 75 22'30"W Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Fawcett" <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:31 PM Subject: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, > Well after three years of trying to get some documents from the archives > in > WA I have been successfull.!!! > My now favourite niece popped in for me whilst over there on work > undertakings (but on her day off, of course) and secured the papers for > me. > > Finally I have a lead on tracing the former history of my Captain > Armstrong. > > In one of the documents he is applying for a position as a pilot, and he > gives references, presumably from former employers (or maybe aquaintances) > but I shall work on the former theory first. > > So what I am looking for now is for any information on L- > The Salamany, with her captain R. Wamms (?) and > The Enterprise, captain James Dillon. > > Both ships will be post April 1830. Possibly Royal Navy, > > If anyone can start the ball rolling, I will go and hunt through the > collections and see what I can find, but I would be grateful for any leads > > cheers > Jenny Fawcett > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Hello Jenny, In the 19th-Century British newspapers I found three references where The Enterprise sails with Captain Dillon. These are as follows: Morning Post (London), April 3rd 1827: Shipping News. Deal (Kent) March 31. Arrived from London the Enterprise, Dillon, for India. Morning Post, April 10 1827: Ship News. Deal April 8. Arrived from London ... Enterprise, Dillon, from (sic) Bombay. Morning Post, September 15 1827: Ship News. Ship Spoken With: The Enterprise, Dillon, from London to Bombay, the 20th of June, off the Cape in lat. 35. 10. S., long. 18. 36. E. (same repeated in The Standard, September 15 1827). In Lloyd's Register for 1828 we find Enterprise: a brig of 151 tons; Captain J. Dillon; home port Bridport; built 1809; owner "Heaviside" or "Edmonds" (depending on the edition); dest. London Bombay. In the 1827 list she is there, Captain W. Brown's name amended to J. Dillon; again of Bridport, but then owned by "Stringer", and sailing for Lima. From the 1829 list onwards she disappears. In October 1825, under Captain Brown, the Enterprise put into Plymouth (Devon) from London bound to Vigo, with a diving bell and apparatus on board, with the intention of "searching the Spanish galleons, sunk many years since at the bottom of Vigo Bay, and which are supposed to contain immense treasures". I found no mention in any of these sources to a "Salamany". Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Joan Fawcett <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au> To: mariners-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 16 June, 2011 3:31:28 Subject: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, Well after three years of trying to get some documents from the archives in WA I have been successfull.!!! My now favourite niece popped in for me whilst over there on work undertakings (but on her day off, of course) and secured the papers for me. Finally I have a lead on tracing the former history of my Captain Armstrong. In one of the documents he is applying for a position as a pilot, and he gives references, presumably from former employers (or maybe aquaintances) but I shall work on the former theory first. So what I am looking for now is for any information on L- The Salamany, with her captain R. Wamms (?) and The Enterprise, captain James Dillon. Both ships will be post April 1830. Possibly Royal Navy, If anyone can start the ball rolling, I will go and hunt through the collections and see what I can find, but I would be grateful for any leads cheers Jenny Fawcett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Caroline Luke DODDS, Esq, living in Fawley, Hampshire - often on juries etc ( mentioned in the papers) - died aged 80 in 28th Feb 1849. This means he could be the fellow born in Durham as per IGI : Male Christening: 11 SEP 1768 Heworth, Durham, England HIs daughter Lucia, married in 1843: to: Spouse: GRAHAM EDEN WILLIAM HAMOND Marriage: 07 DEC 1843 Fawley, Hampshire, England I found a marriage for a Luke DODDS to Lucia GREEN in 1810 over in Surrey, and the christening of daughter Lucia DODDS: Christening: 05 JUL 1815 All Saints, Hastings, Sussex, England Household:1881 Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John Henry GOOD Head M Male 40 Madely, Shropshire, England Vicar Of Hythe Hants Elizabeth Ann GOOD Wife M Female 36 Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Lucia HAMMOND Mother In Law W Female 66 Hastings, Sussex, England Charles Herbert BINSTEAD Pupil U Male 18 Sandal Magus, York, England Pupil Cecil Hy Brent GOOD Son Male 9 m Hythe Fawley, Hampshire, England Emily Sarah ADDISON Serv U Female 24 Honington, Suffolk, England Dom Servt Louisa WHITE Serv U Female 25 Whitley, Warwick, England Dom Servt Annie WEARN Serv U Female 45 Freshwater, Isle of Wight, Hampshire, England Dom Servant -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Source Information: Dwelling The Vicarage Census Place Fawley, Hampshire, England Deaths Jun 1883 HAMOND Lucia 68 Brighton 2b135 I found there were a few Graham Eden HAMOND boys - one was in 1851 census - with wife, other children, servants etc: HAMOND, Graham Eden Head Married M 71 1780 Baronet Admiral In The Royal Navy (Half Pay) London Middlesex and in the newspapers ( quite a bit to look at there): Hampshire Telegraph and Sussex Chronicle etc (Portsmouth, England), Monday, December 17, 1804; G E Hamond was Commander of his Majesty's ship' Lively' and he had detained a Spanish ship ' La Fama' containing nearly 15,000 seal skins and 2 boxes of tongues! contents were up for auction ......................... The Morning Chronicle (London, England), Monday, January 5, 1807 marriage announcement: On 30th Dec 1806, at Fowey Cornwall, Graham Eden HAMOND, of the Royal Navy, only son of Sir Andrew Snape HAMOND, bart, by special Licence, to Miss KIMBER ( Elizabeth) daughter of John KIMBER Esq of Fowey, Cornwall .................. The Morning Post (London, England), Monday, October 11, 1824 Captain Graham Eden HAMOND, C.B ( of the Wellesley) ................ Deaths Mar 1847 Hamond Graham Eden William Lewisham 5262 I found them in the censuses - and the DODDS as well- let me know if you'd like that info as well There is quite a bit on the net if you search Graham Eden HAMOND - you might be able to fill in some more gaps I will send you the parish record for the marriage off list...I know you are busting for that, but it is very faded... Cheers Jocelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Caroline Gaden" <cagaden@iprimus.com.au> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: [MAR] Capt Luke Dodds > Hello All > I have a couple of queries about ships of the HEIC sailing to India and > China > > 1. > I'm trying to track down information about Captain Luke Dodds who was > Captain of the East India Company ship 'Walmer Castle' in the early 1800s. > > Sailings of the Walmer Castle were:- > Capt Luke Dodds. Portsmouth 4 Mar 1806 - 20 Jun Bombay - 4 Sep Penang - > 1 Nov Whampoa - Second Bar 6 Jan 1807 - 17 Apr St Helena - 2 Jul Downs. > (6) 1807/8 St Helena, Cape, Benkulen and China. > Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 9 Feb 1808 - 17 Apr St Helena - 31 May Cape - 13 > Jul Benkulen - 18 Sep Penang - 8 Nov Whampoa - Second Bar 5 Mar 1809 - > 30 Mar Penang - 10 Jul St Helena - 8 Sep Downs. (7) 1810/1 St Helena, > Benkulen and China. > Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 16 Feb 1811 - 6 May St Helena - 24 Jul Benkulen > - 23 Sep Penang - 28 Oct Malacca - 1 Jan 1812 Whampoa - Second Bar 26 > Feb - 17 May St Helena - 21 Jul Downs. (8) 1812/3 Cape and China. > Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 23 Mar 1813 - 11 Apr Tenerife - 15 Jun Cape - 6 > Sep Whampoa - Second Bar 22 Feb 1814 - 26 May St Helena - 6 Aug Downs. > (9) 1814/5 China. > Any information about Luke Dodds would be gratefully received. > > 2. Where might I find information about a marriage on board ship at this > time... the bridegroom was the ship's captain.. I've searched in the > India records, National archives and IGI without success > > Many thanks > Caroline > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello All I have a couple of queries about ships of the HEIC sailing to India and China 1. I'm trying to track down information about Captain Luke Dodds who was Captain of the East India Company ship 'Walmer Castle' in the early 1800s. Sailings of the Walmer Castle were:- Capt Luke Dodds. Portsmouth 4 Mar 1806 - 20 Jun Bombay - 4 Sep Penang - 1 Nov Whampoa - Second Bar 6 Jan 1807 - 17 Apr St Helena - 2 Jul Downs. (6) 1807/8 St Helena, Cape, Benkulen and China. Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 9 Feb 1808 - 17 Apr St Helena - 31 May Cape - 13 Jul Benkulen - 18 Sep Penang - 8 Nov Whampoa - Second Bar 5 Mar 1809 - 30 Mar Penang - 10 Jul St Helena - 8 Sep Downs. (7) 1810/1 St Helena, Benkulen and China. Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 16 Feb 1811 - 6 May St Helena - 24 Jul Benkulen - 23 Sep Penang - 28 Oct Malacca - 1 Jan 1812 Whampoa - Second Bar 26 Feb - 17 May St Helena - 21 Jul Downs. (8) 1812/3 Cape and China. Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 23 Mar 1813 - 11 Apr Tenerife - 15 Jun Cape - 6 Sep Whampoa - Second Bar 22 Feb 1814 - 26 May St Helena - 6 Aug Downs. (9) 1814/5 China. Any information about Luke Dodds would be gratefully received. 2. Where might I find information about a marriage on board ship at this time... the bridegroom was the ship's captain.. I've searched in the India records, National archives and IGI without success Many thanks Caroline

Hello Caroline, Luke Dodds served with the East India Company from at least 1796, firstly on board the Royal Charlotte as 3rd Officer, sailing for China on the 11 August 1796, back at her moorings 20 March 1798. The captain was William Roper. He then served on board Walmer Castle as 1st Officer for three voyages. To Bombay and China, sailing 2 April 1799, back 17 April 1801, under Capt. George Bonham. To Bombay and China, sailing 12 February 1802, back 27 April 1803, under Capt. Essex Henry Bond. Finally to St. Helena, Bengal and China, sailing 13 February 1804, back 12 September 1805, again under Capt. Bond. Luke Dodds first commanded Walmer Castle on a voyage to Bombay and China, sailing 4 March 1806, back 3 July 1807. His appointment as a captain was announced in the newspapers at the end of January 1806. He sailed again to the same destinations, sailing 9 February 1808, back 14 September 1809. but I think you have details of this and any subsequent trips. I'm sure that all these voyages, and any incidental details that were worthy of report, may well be found in the 18th/19th Century British Library newspapers, available online, if you haven't already looked. Regards, Peter Klein ________________________________ From: Caroline Gaden <cagaden@iprimus.com.au> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, 15 June, 2011 7:22:55 Subject: [MAR] Capt Luke Dodds Hello All I have a couple of queries about ships of the HEIC sailing to India and China 1. I'm trying to track down information about Captain Luke Dodds who was Captain of the East India Company ship 'Walmer Castle' in the early 1800s. Sailings of the Walmer Castle were:- Capt Luke Dodds. Portsmouth 4 Mar 1806 - 20 Jun Bombay - 4 Sep Penang - 1 Nov Whampoa - Second Bar 6 Jan 1807 - 17 Apr St Helena - 2 Jul Downs. (6) 1807/8 St Helena, Cape, Benkulen and China. Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 9 Feb 1808 - 17 Apr St Helena - 31 May Cape - 13 Jul Benkulen - 18 Sep Penang - 8 Nov Whampoa - Second Bar 5 Mar 1809 - 30 Mar Penang - 10 Jul St Helena - 8 Sep Downs. (7) 1810/1 St Helena, Benkulen and China. Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 16 Feb 1811 - 6 May St Helena - 24 Jul Benkulen - 23 Sep Penang - 28 Oct Malacca - 1 Jan 1812 Whampoa - Second Bar 26 Feb - 17 May St Helena - 21 Jul Downs. (8) 1812/3 Cape and China. Capt Luke Dodds. Torbay 23 Mar 1813 - 11 Apr Tenerife - 15 Jun Cape - 6 Sep Whampoa - Second Bar 22 Feb 1814 - 26 May St Helena - 6 Aug Downs. (9) 1814/5 China. Any information about Luke Dodds would be gratefully received. 2. Where might I find information about a marriage on board ship at this time... the bridegroom was the ship's captain.. I've searched in the India records, National archives and IGI without success Many thanks Caroline ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

-----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judith williams Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 15:41 To: Mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] FW: query Hello Mariners, Thanks for your VERY rapid responses, even if they are automatically generated. Good system. My query is about James Grimshaw of Liverpool. His daughter, Hannah, died in Sydney in 1885,aged 82 years. Her death certificate stated that her father's occupation was "Master Mariner". We understand that she left England in 1830 with her husband, John Williams (!) and two sons. We would like to know whether there is a way of confirming the occupation. I have already begun the guessing game of possible dates for him, but at present would guess a birth of 1770's. Judith Williams, Metung, Victoria, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mariners, Thanks for your VERY rapid responses, even if they are automatically generated. Good system. My query is about James Grimshaw of Liverpool. His daughter, Hannah, died in Sydney in 1885,aged 82 years. Her death certificate stated that her father's occupation was "Master Mariner". We understand that she left England in 1830 with her husband, John Williams (!) and two sons. We would like to know whether there is a way of confirming the occupation. I have already begun the guessing game of possible dates for him, but at present would guess a birth of 1770's. Judith Williams, Metung, Victoria, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mariners, Thanks for your VERY rapid responses, even if they are automatically generated. Good system. My query is about James Grimshaw of Liverpool. His daughter, Hannah, died in Sydney in 1885,aged 82 years. Her death certificate stated that her father's occupation was "Master Mariner". We understand that she left England in 1830 with her husband, John Williams (!) and two sons. We would like to know whether there is a way of confirming the occupation. I have already begun the guessing game of possible dates for him, but at present would guess a birth of 1770's. Judith Williams, Metung, Victoria, Australia.

G'day listers, I have been sent a newspaper/periodical clipping, minus date and paper/journal name, concerning the *Clackmannanshire* (master, Capt. Kerbyson), under a photograph of a temporarily repaired wheel and the headline “A Make Shift Wheel”, in which the legend states: “.....the three-masted ship *Clackmannanshire *which while homeward bound from South America was pooped. The wheel was broken in half; the cover and gratings were broken; and the binnacle glasses smashed. Fortunately, though men were scattered here and there, no one was lost or seriously injured.” Can anyone identify this voyage and/or the clipping's date and provenance? Thank you, Barry

Further to my previous reply Brucehaven is described as one of two harbours at Limekilns. See: http://www.ports.org.uk/port.asp?id=717 Limekilns today appears to have remained a village, now in the shadow of Rosyth. Ron **** On 12/06/2011 21:21, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > ... and from the Ships In Focus book The Ben Line by Graeme Somner > (presumably repeating details also recorded in his previous booklets > under the same title for the World Ship Society), owners of the CARRARA > from 1847 became N. Smith, Aberdeen, who immediately resold her to R. > Donald, Aberdeen. The next year sold to Adam and Co., Aberdeen, and > engaged in the Mediterranean trade, passing in December 1853 to W. > Mechin of Shoreham, Sussex. As you know she was still under the same > name when she foundered 30 miles off Queenstown on 19 March 1867. She > had been completed in August 1839 by John Millar, Brucehaven, Fife (so > is Brucehaven the same location as Limekilns?). > > She was delivered specifically to carry coal and woolen goods from Leith > to Leghorn in Italy, and returning with marble for the Thomson main family > business of the time to be used in constructing new houses. > > Ron Mapplebeck (UK) > **** > On 12/06/2011 20:54, Mick wrote: >> I see The Carrara has a little more history then I expected, she was >> the first vessel owned by Alexander and William Thomson of The Ben >> Line. >> >> http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/ben.htm >> >> Snippet View from google Books gives me the following >> >> The Ben Line: the history of Wm. Thomson& Co. of Leith and >> Edinburgh George Blake - 1956 - 222 pages - Snippet view In 1839 they >> contrived to find sufficient finance for the building, at Limekilns >> in Fife, of the barque Carrara. She was a tubby little thing, only 88 >> feet long and so broad in the beam that her registered tonnage was >> 218............. >> >> Sea Breezes: the ship lovers' digest: Volume 50 Pacific Steam >> Navigation Company - 1976 - Snippet view ... 135 years and 164 ships >> ago, Alexander and William Thomson acquired their first ship, a tiny >> 88-foot barque, Carrara. >> >> >> Her Loss was not reported in the News Papers, I found a report of a >> reward given to the Master of the Chanticleer for Rescuing the Crew >> (8) of the Carrara abandoned off Kinsale on the 19/03/1867. >> >> Mick >> >> Mariners List >> >> >> >> Original Message ----- From: Mick To: Mariners Sent: Saturday, June >> 11, 2011 10:52 PM Subject: [MAR] Lloyds Register Abbreviated Place >> Names >> >> >> Could SKS put a place name to this " LMKLN " Lloyds Register >> Abbreviation. >> >> I an researching The Barque Carrara, registered in Shoreham and Built >> in 1839 at LMKLN ? >> >> >> Mick >> >> Mariners List >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >