Mick When you asked for information did you mean of the vessel or loss? I found her in the 1861 Lloyds as the 'Malacca' but nothing after that. She was registered as an iron barque with a 200 HP auxillary steam engine at 1610 tons old measurement and 1354 on the new. She is shown as being owned by C. Palmer of Newcastle and trading from London to the Mediterranean. She had 7 bulkheads and was classed as A1 for 6 years from 4/1861. However the Yard List for Palmers Shipyard shows her as being Yard No. 96 and not launched until 11/5/1863! (could be a misprint for 11/5/1861). She is definitely not in the 1864 or 1865 Lloyds under either name. Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mick Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:05 PM To: Mariners Subject: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton Hi All I am looking for some information on the SS. Florida. She was first registered in Newcastle in 1860 as Malacca O.N 29107 1452 ntr 250hp She is not listed in MNL 1861 Listed in MNL 1864 as Florida Registered in Liverpool. Listed in MNL 1867 as owned by "The British & American Steam Navigation Company, Liverpool" ? http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/basn.htm this company had ceased trading in 1841. Her register was closed in June 1867 Meanwhile on the South Coast of Ireland in March 1867 the news papers report an unknown steamer is lost off Ballycotton, Ballycotton is approx 10 miles to the east of Cork Harbour (Cobh) Then Known as Queenstown. Abstracts from the Board of Trade Wreck reports lists her, Florida Crew 37 (lost) Cargo Coal, Supposed Foundered off Ballycotton. There are no news paper reports of the loss of S.S Florida for March or April or none that I can find. Could any one connect the Florida to the Unknown off the coast of Cork or place the Florida somewhere else ?. Also the British & American Steam Navigation Company, famous for the SS Sirius, did this company wind up in 1841 or continue. Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

Hello Everyone I'll be unsubscribing soon and just wish to say a huge thank you to Jocelyn, Peter Klein, Adi, Peter Beeston for all the help and suggestions they sent to me about Captain Luke Dodds. It was wonderful help and my research has gone forward in leaps and bounds THANK YOU All the best with your own research. Caroline

Hi Jerry You can still see a Tall Ships Parade. Waterford Ireland, 30th June to 3rd July , Hosting the tall ships race. http://www.waterfordtallshipsrace.ie/the-race/gallery/ >From the humble Fifie Herring Drifter Swan. http://www.nationalhistoricships.org.uk/ships_register.php?action=ship&id=672 To the Majastic Barque Europa. http://www.barkeuropa.com/en/fotoboek/photo/887/ Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Titus To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:26 PM Subject: [MAR] Tall Ship Parade Hi Folks, Liverpool, March 21, 1876: A fleet of 400 wind-bound vessels left the River Mersey yesterday. Of these 193 were bound foreign. The sight was magnificent and altogether unprecedented. The vessels formed a procession ten abreast and occupied two hours passing a given point. Wow Jerry Titus Yarmouth, NS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That sounds like one of those mathematical problems.... 400 vessels sailing 10 abreast means 40 groups passing in the space of 120 minutes.... which is one group of 10 vessels every 3 minutes. Wow indeed! -----Original Message----- From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Titus Sent: 18 June 2011 14:26 To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Tall Ship Parade Hi Folks, Liverpool, March 21, 1876: A fleet of 400 wind-bound vessels left the River Mersey yesterday. Of these 193 were bound foreign. The sight was magnificent and altogether unprecedented. The vessels formed a procession ten abreast and occupied two hours passing a given point. Wow Jerry Titus Yarmouth, NS ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks David I thought I was looking at A ghost ship from a ghost shipping Company, " liquidation in 1867 " Loss of the Florida cant have helped. Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com <snip> Also the British & American Steam Navigation Company, famous for the SS Sirius, did this company wind up in 1841 or continue. >>>>>>>>> Another British & American Steam Navigation Co Ltd was established in 1865, but did not last long - in liquidation in 1867. Registered Company No 2160C. David

Joan >Perhaps there should be pension records for the widows? A small gratuity or lump sum payment may have been paid to the wife if a man died on duty, but no pension would have been due to next of kin of a naval rating, although different rules applied to officers. Ratings' families would have to wait until the carnage of the First World War shone a very bright light on the shortcomings regarding the maintenance of service families and prompted the introduction of the equivalent of marriage allowances for serving personnel and pensions to those dependents who lost the bread winner whilst he was on duty. One occasionally reads of collections being made on behalf of personnel being lost, say if a ship went down, but this wasn't always the case, although a sale of a man's effects to a ship's company i.e. his uniform etc., was the traditional method of raising money for the next of kin, and a surprisingly large sums of money were sometimes raised, with items being put back into the sale to be sold again, but in this case, probably not being on board a ship I wouldn't have thought that much could have been raised when 3 men died, since most of the men serving at a coast guard station would be married with families. There was little awareness of health and safety as we know it today, and it is apparent that many accidents, such as the one that you relate, were all too common during the 19th Century, and I can think of many similar accidents along the south coast of England, but am unaware of any further meaningful investigation etc. regarding the events unless it involved the actual loss of a naval vessel. About the only remedial action I can remember reading about was the introduction, in the 1860s, of a steam ferry to take personnel from Portsmouth Harbour out to RN ships lying at Spithead, but I suspect that there was not only a safety aspect here, but the saving of money for the users, since prior to the introduction of the ferry, if a ship's boat was not available one had to use a waterman's boat to get ashore and return, and boating accidents in that stretch of water were all too frequent, often involving loss of life. One gets the feeling that about the only things that resulted in serious inquiries were accidents that had cost the Admiralty money, such as gunnery and engineroom accidents, although I stand to be corrected ? It is perhaps worth pointing out to others who may read this that it is possible to download a lot of CoastGuard material for ADM 175 from the National Archives, with which it is possible, in many cases, to trace the career of a member of the CoastGuard where ever you live ! At the last count I think I counted 114 volumes covering the period dated from roughly 1820-1920, about 22 Gb. of files. Paul On Sat, 18 Jun 2011 11:08:51 +1000, "Joan & Peter Gibbs" <joan.peter.gibbs.3@bigpond.com> wrote: >Some time ago we posted a query to the list concerning my great grandfather Coast Guard John BITTLE (boatman) (aka GEIL taken from his mother’s maiden name GILL and used throughout his Royal Navy and later Coast Guard career), b.1839 Kenton, Devon. Tony Davey gave great assistance trying to trace his death in Claggan, Ireland. Ultimately this proved to be near Belmullet and we were fortunate that a local library found a newspaper cutting relating the circumstances of his drowning on the 27th August 1877 whilst manning a Coast Guard Galley with two others, Walsh and Harwood (chief boatman), who also drowned. >The question is, surely there would have been an official coast guard record of this event as they were ostensibly on duty at the time sailing from Belmullet down to the coast guard base at Claggan? Perhaps there should be pension records for the widows? A couple of years ago we visited the archives at Kew and asked this same question but unfortunately they were unable to find or suggest any further information. >Happy to send off list the newspaper cutting if anyone can help? Thank you, Joan Gibbs, Queensland, Australia.

on 8 Jun 2011 Mick O Rourke wrote: I am looking for some information on the SS. Florida. She was first registered in Newcastle in 1860 as Malacca O.N 29107 1452 ntr 250hp She is not listed in MNL 1861 Listed in MNL 1864 as Florida Registered in Liverpool. Listed in MNL 1867 as owned by "The British & American Steam Navigation Company, Liverpool" ? http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/basn.htm this company had ceased trading in 1841. Her register was closed in June 1867 <snip> Also the British & American Steam Navigation Company, famous for the SS Sirius, did this company wind up in 1841 or continue. >>>>>>>>> Another British & American Steam Navigation Co Ltd was established in 1865, but did not last long - in liquidation in 1867. Registered Company No 2160C. David

Thanks Barry The wrecks online website, derives most of its information from Bridget & Richard Larns "Shipwreck Index of Ireland" and Edward Burke "Shipwrecks Of The Irish Coast". Shipwreck Index of Ireland cite's The board of trade wreck report which supposes she was lost off Ballycotton although I suspect the Larn's confirmed there information from Lloyds List, they don't say. I would like to get the information from a primary source if possible. Bridget & Richard Larn's "Shipwreck Index of" series of books is the definitive work on Shipwrecks on these Islands, unfortunately they don't list any of these vessels either. Right now March 1867 is proving a right challenge, The S/W corner of Ireland became a black hole for vessels between the 12th and 20th of March and yet of 17 vessels lost The official Wreck Reports record 1 "Supposed Lost" The Papers have no information on three and the others just get a bare bones report. Its possible that some of these came ashore as derelicts in later months, so I might get confirmation as I move along and I am still holding out for a look up from Lloyds List. So far the Mariners List has provided information on Carrara off The Old Head, Sevarres 20 miles south of Roches Point, SS Sevarres ex SS Leven, 55 Ton Clyde Paddle Ferry with her sister SS Lennox were lost on a Madcap excursion to Brazil in the worst possible weather, there is a great story in that one ( for later ). Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mick To: Mariners Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Barry Laughton <barrylaughtonquick@gmail.com> Date: 18 June 2011 13:25 Subject: Re: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton To: Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> Cc: Mariners <mariners@rootsweb.com> On 18 June 2011 13:04, Mick <mick@irishshipwrecks.com> wrote: > Hi All > > I am looking for some information on the SS. Florida. > Hi Mick, you probably have but see http://www.irishwrecksonline.net/Lists/CorkListA.htm --

Hi All I am looking for some information on the SS. Florida. She was first registered in Newcastle in 1860 as Malacca O.N 29107 1452 ntr 250hp She is not listed in MNL 1861 Listed in MNL 1864 as Florida Registered in Liverpool. Listed in MNL 1867 as owned by "The British & American Steam Navigation Company, Liverpool" ? http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/basn.htm this company had ceased trading in 1841. Her register was closed in June 1867 Meanwhile on the South Coast of Ireland in March 1867 the news papers report an unknown steamer is lost off Ballycotton, Ballycotton is approx 10 miles to the east of Cork Harbour (Cobh) Then Known as Queenstown. Abstracts from the Board of Trade Wreck reports lists her, Florida Crew 37 (lost) Cargo Coal, Supposed Foundered off Ballycotton. There are no news paper reports of the loss of S.S Florida for March or April or none that I can find. Could any one connect the Florida to the Unknown off the coast of Cork or place the Florida somewhere else ?. Also the British & American Steam Navigation Company, famous for the SS Sirius, did this company wind up in 1841 or continue. Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com

Hi Joan & Peter You may already have checked this one http://www.coastguardsofyesteryear.org/ this site is dedicated to the Coast Guards of Ireland . Mick O Rourke Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan & Peter Gibbs To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 2:08 AM Subject: [MAR] Coast guard.

Some time ago we posted a query to the list concerning my great grandfather Coast Guard John BITTLE (boatman) (aka GEIL taken from his mother’s maiden name GILL and used throughout his Royal Navy and later Coast Guard career), b.1839 Kenton, Devon. Tony Davey gave great assistance trying to trace his death in Claggan, Ireland. Ultimately this proved to be near Belmullet and we were fortunate that a local library found a newspaper cutting relating the circumstances of his drowning on the 27th August 1877 whilst manning a Coast Guard Galley with two others, Walsh and Harwood (chief boatman), who also drowned. The question is, surely there would have been an official coast guard record of this event as they were ostensibly on duty at the time sailing from Belmullet down to the coast guard base at Claggan? Perhaps there should be pension records for the widows? A couple of years ago we visited the archives at Kew and asked this same question but unfortunately they were unable to find or suggest any further information. Happy to send off list the newspaper cutting if anyone can help? Thank you, Joan Gibbs, Queensland, Australia.

Hi Folks, Liverpool, March 21, 1876: A fleet of 400 wind-bound vessels left the River Mersey yesterday. Of these 193 were bound foreign. The sight was magnificent and altogether unprecedented. The vessels formed a procession ten abreast and occupied two hours passing a given point. Wow Jerry Titus Yarmouth, NS

Though I was in luck tonight. Firstly I a very wary of getting exited over documents without concrete evidence, these are at least 3 John Booths in Melbourne around 1883, one shearer and one an inmate of an insane asylum. And yes I have had all 3 mixed up at some stage. Found a index to a hospital record in Devonport, Tasmania that lists a John F Booth as being admitted in 1884. DOB on the record is 1843. I have no other information available on this record and I have discounted it at various times as being to young. I have a record of a Scottish John Booth on board the RN 'Firebrand' in 1861 (born Aberdeen abt 1843). he is listed as a 'Boy First Class'. This ship was located in Carthagina Near Granada South America. This makes him 18 at the time. A quick scan of the National Archives in the UK turns up this information: Description Name Booth, John Place of Birth: Aberdeen, Scotland Continuous Service Number: 21074A Date of Volunteering: 09 May 1860 I have downloaded it tonight and find that it seems to only be the admission papers for a 10 year volunteer service, nothing else. So I have a person listed a 'Boy First Class' in 1861 and another purchasing a ship in Melbourne in 1864 at the age of 22?- too much of a leap?

Thanks Ann, Yes I have found the mariners website invaluable, but also frustrated by the information it has. It seems that Captains weren't required to add their age on the inward register, frustrating if your trying to ascertain a DOB for the Captain. At also seems that when J F Booth was a passenger he wasn't required to list his age as well! I have a lovely inwards list from the ship 'Easby' in 188 1at the Port of Newcastle where 24 crew, from the Mate to the cook all dutifully list their age and location of birth, while on the second column I have my Captain and his wife, with just 'Captain' and 'Lady' listed. I didn't mention in my original post that I also have inwards registers from Sydney as well, obtained through the Mariners website. (Newcastle is from microfilm and the Sydney inwards registers are from the mariners web site.) P > >> From: Anndriscoll@aol.com >> Date: 17 June 2011 2:44:48 PM AEST >> To: peebooth@mac.com >> Subject: Re: [MAR] Capt.J F Booth - advice needed (again..) >> >> Hi Paul, have you tried Mariners & Ships in Australian Waters: >> http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ >> >> On the home page I did a search for John Booth and it came up with >> a John F.Booth , master of Sarah Ann and clicking on Sarah Ann >> brings up the crew list. >> >> You can search for crew members or ships, I have found it very >> useful. >> >> Hope this helps >> >> Ann uk. >> >> >> Hello List, >> >> Continuing my search for information on Capt John F Booth, who sailed >> Australian waters between 1863-1883. >> >> Since my last post I've may a little headway into the search for my >> GG >> Grandfather, but still have come up against some roadblocks and am >> again after some advice. >> >> Spent a few hours at the National Maritime Museum in Sydney a few >> months back and came away with the need to a) get my records in order >> and b) provide evidence that the information I was accessing was for >> MY John Booth. It seems in the mid 19th century there where a number >> of John Booths’ floating around Australian waters. It seems my GG >> Grandfather was aware of that at the time and almost exclusively >> added >> his middle initial to records to differentiate himself. >> >> While there I was able to find the records for the first (and it >> seems >> only) vessel he owned in Australian waters, the Dolphin (#48398 ). >> Unfortunately it seems that he failed to add his registration number >> to the papers. (or he didn’t have a registration number) >> >> First question: Was it a requirement for all captains of seagoing >> vessels to be Master Mariners, or was it more a professional >> qualification, and only used as a point of difference between >> Captains? >> >> At this stage I don’t have enough biographical information (DOB,p >> lace >> of birth) so Lloyds list is of no use to me. There are a few John >> Booths listed but none fit. >> >> Nothing in Clips either. >> >> I need to visit the Victorian Archives or Tasmanian Archives, but.. >> >> I have a number of inward shipping records for Newcastle, NSW and am >> wondering if there would be any additional records to be found in the >> NSW archives? I don’t expect there to be crew agreements as these are >> usually made before departure? >> >> I am based in Sydney so accessing this information is easier. >> >> Sorry to be vague, but am still trying to wade through what may be >> available and knowing where to look in the first place. >> >> Sarah Ann entered Newcastle 12 March 1873 >> Sarah Ann entered Newcastle 21 October 1873 >> Sarah Ann entered Newcastle 3 March 1874 >> >> Much Thanks. >> >> Paul Booth >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message

Hello List, Continuing my search for information on Capt John F Booth, who sailed Australian waters between 1863-1883. Since my last post I've may a little headway into the search for my GG Grandfather, but still have come up against some roadblocks and am again after some advice. Spent a few hours at the National Maritime Museum in Sydney a few months back and came away with the need to a) get my records in order and b) provide evidence that the information I was accessing was for MY John Booth. It seems in the mid 19th century there where a number of John Booths’ floating around Australian waters. It seems my GG Grandfather was aware of that at the time and almost exclusively added his middle initial to records to differentiate himself. While there I was able to find the records for the first (and it seems only) vessel he owned in Australian waters, the Dolphin (#48398 ). Unfortunately it seems that he failed to add his registration number to the papers. (or he didn’t have a registration number) First question: Was it a requirement for all captains of seagoing vessels to be Master Mariners, or was it more a professional qualification, and only used as a point of difference between Captains? At this stage I don’t have enough biographical information (DOB,p lace of birth) so Lloyds list is of no use to me. There are a few John Booths listed but none fit. Nothing in Clips either. I need to visit the Victorian Archives or Tasmanian Archives, but.. I have a number of inward shipping records for Newcastle, NSW and am wondering if there would be any additional records to be found in the NSW archives? I don’t expect there to be crew agreements as these are usually made before departure? I am based in Sydney so accessing this information is easier. Sorry to be vague, but am still trying to wade through what may be available and knowing where to look in the first place. Sarah Ann entered Newcastle 12 March 1873 Sarah Ann entered Newcastle 21 October 1873 Sarah Ann entered Newcastle 3 March 1874 Much Thanks. Paul Booth

Hello List I'm trying to make contact with anyone on the list who has researched Mariners and ships crews out of Launceston in the mid-late 19 century 1860-1880. I wont bore the list with all the details, but I have a relative who was a Captain out of Launceston between 1864-1867 and then off and on until 1882. At some stage in the distant future I'm going to attack the Tasmanian Archives resources (TA72: MARINE BOARD OF LAUNCESTON) but in the meantime would love to know what to expect. Thanks, Paul

Hi Curt, Many thanks indeed. It looks then as if she was probably British or Scottish built, but at around this time all sorts of other possibilities occur - even being taken as a prize during the Napoleonic wars and then renamed. Sadly she didn't make it into the Lloyd's registers for 1834, when the place of build first starts to be recorded, and then we would have really known! Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: Curt and Peg <curtnpeg@verizon.net> To: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 16 June, 2011 19:16:09 Subject: Re: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, Hi Peter There are no ENTERPRIZE for 1809. The closest ones are 1804,1805. ENTERPRISE -1804 Hallowell Maine brig 128 ton lg. 71'71/2" beam 23' 1" draft 9'11/2" built by James Thatcher owned by Nathan Moody Master S. Twycross ENTERPRISE 1805 Hallowell Maine Ship 229 ton lg 87' beam 24'61/4" draft 12'318" built by Benjamin Brooks owner John Agry Master G. Colcord Curt At 40 16'30"N 75 22'30"W ----- Original Message ----- >From: Peter Klein >To: Curt and Peg >Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2011 12:43 PM >Subject: Re: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, > > >Hello Curt, > > >Your list certainly sounds interesting, and many British ships were indeed >American built, but remember that the Enterprise was not necessarily >originally bearing that name. The two things that may be useful to you are >that she was built in 1809, and that she was rated at 151 tons, but she does >not appear in Lloyd's Registers before 1825, least ways not as "Enterprise". > She may be there, but under a different name, only changing to Enterprise on >acquiring a new owner. Or, she was known as Enterprise but being a brig was >only used for local coastal work and not registered with Lloyds. From 1829 >she disappears from Lloyd's Register yet again. Once again there are several >possibilities - change of owner and name; or scrapped, wrecked, or reverted >to local coastal work. > > >Regards, > > >PK > > > ________________________________ From: Curt and Peg <curtnpeg@verizon.net> >To: Joan Fawcett <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au>; mariners-l@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, 16 June, 2011 16:54:17 >Subject: Re: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, > >Hi Joan >I have 13 Enterprizes Built in Maine USA. UK ships were often built in the >states. If you are interested, I'll provide a list of their info. >Pleasent at 40 30'16"N 75 22'30"W >Curt >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joan Fawcett" <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au> >To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:31 PM >Subject: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, > > >> Well after three years of trying to get some documents from the archives >> in >> WA I have been successfull.!!! >> My now favourite niece popped in for me whilst over there on work >> undertakings (but on her day off, of course) and secured the papers for >> me. >> >> Finally I have a lead on tracing the former history of my Captain >> Armstrong. >> >> In one of the documents he is applying for a position as a pilot, and he >> gives references, presumably from former employers (or maybe aquaintances) >> but I shall work on the former theory first. >> >> So what I am looking for now is for any information on L- >> The Salamany, with her captain R. Wamms (?) and >> The Enterprise, captain James Dillon. >> >> Both ships will be post April 1830. Possibly Royal Navy, >> >> If anyone can start the ball rolling, I will go and hunt through the >> collections and see what I can find, but I would be grateful for any leads >> >> cheers >> Jenny Fawcett >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Curt, Your list certainly sounds interesting, and many British ships were indeed American built, but remember that the Enterprise was not necessarily originally bearing that name. The two things that may be useful to you are that she was built in 1809, and that she was rated at 151 tons, but she does not appear in Lloyd's Registers before 1825, least ways not as "Enterprise". She may be there, but under a different name, only changing to Enterprise on acquiring a new owner. Or, she was known as Enterprise but being a brig was only used for local coastal work and not registered with Lloyds. From 1829 she disappears from Lloyd's Register yet again. Once again there are several possibilities - change of owner and name; or scrapped, wrecked, or reverted to local coastal work. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Curt and Peg <curtnpeg@verizon.net> To: Joan Fawcett <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au>; mariners-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 16 June, 2011 16:54:17 Subject: Re: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, Hi Joan I have 13 Enterprizes Built in Maine USA. UK ships were often built in the states. If you are interested, I'll provide a list of their info. Pleasent at 40 30'16"N 75 22'30"W Curt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Fawcett" <jfawcett@hotkey.net.au> To: <mariners-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 10:31 PM Subject: [MAR] great excitement...and Enterprize & the Salamany, > Well after three years of trying to get some documents from the archives > in > WA I have been successfull.!!! > My now favourite niece popped in for me whilst over there on work > undertakings (but on her day off, of course) and secured the papers for > me. > > Finally I have a lead on tracing the former history of my Captain > Armstrong. > > In one of the documents he is applying for a position as a pilot, and he > gives references, presumably from former employers (or maybe aquaintances) > but I shall work on the former theory first. > > So what I am looking for now is for any information on L- > The Salamany, with her captain R. Wamms (?) and > The Enterprise, captain James Dillon. > > Both ships will be post April 1830. Possibly Royal Navy, > > If anyone can start the ball rolling, I will go and hunt through the > collections and see what I can find, but I would be grateful for any leads > > cheers > Jenny Fawcett > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Gremlins in the works, so original did not get through to the List. Trying to reforward now! -------- Original Message -------- Subject: ADMIN RESPONSE - re James Grimshaw (was Re: [MAR] (no subject)) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2011 14:21:34 +0100 From: Ron Mapplebeck <ron.mapplebeck1@virgin.net> To: judith williams <judith32@internode.on.net> CC: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Judith, Yes, hopefully, given time, one of our members will be able to find some information about James Grimshaw for you. We do have a reasonably high success rate in this regard but, unfortunately, success cannot be guaranteed. It may perhaps be the case that you had not realised that MARINERS/MARINERS' LIST operates on an entirely voluntary basis which means members devote their own precious spare time to reasearching, using their own resources, or those they have access to, questions raised dealing with both genealogy aspects of mariners, and also the ships on which they served. Sometimes, members have the necessary information more or less to hand and can provide an immediate response, at other times it may take a longer period to dig through "archives". However, please do not be discouraged if we are unable to help - sometimes the required information turns up quite some time afterwards from one source or another. Ron Mapplebeck Joint Administrator ***** On 16/06/2011 04:41, judith williams wrote: > Obviously the system works, so I hope someone can help find James Grimshaw. > > Judith William > > > > _____ > > Hello Mariners, > > Thanks for your VERY rapid responses, even if they are automatically > > generated. Good system. > > My query is about James Grimshaw of Liverpool. His daughter, Hannah, died in > > Sydney in 1885,aged 82 years. Her death certificate stated that her father's > > occupation was "Master Mariner". We understand that she left England in 1830 > > with her husband, John Williams (!) and two sons. > > We would like to know whether there is a way of confirming the occupation. I > > have already begun the guessing game of possible dates for him, but at > > present would guess a birth of 1770's. > > Judith Williams, > > Metung, Victoria, Australia. > >