Hi Mike, ... so here they are: Sun, 24 September 1793. Poole, Sept. 22. Sailed - Unity, Morson, for London. True Briton, 1 June 1797. Poole, May 31. Entered Outwards, Unity, Geo. Morson. Sun, 9 August 1797. Poole, Aug. 8. Entered Inwards, Unity, Geo. Morson. True Briton, 5 October 1797. Poole. Entered Outwards, Oct. 4. Unity, George Morson. True Briton, 25 October 1797. Ship News. Poole, Oct. 22. Arrived, Unity, Morson, from London. True Briton, 4 November 1797. Poole, Nov. 2. Sailed. Unity, Morson, for London. True Briton, 14 November 1797. Portsmouth. Cleared Out, Unity, Geo. Morson. True Briton, 29 March 1798. Southampton. Cleared Out March 18. Unity, George Morson. True Briton, 4 September 1798. Portsmouth Sept. 1. Cleared Outwards - Unity, George Morson. Sun andTrue Briton, 12 January 1799. Dover Jan. 11. Cleared Outwards, Unity, George Morson. Albion and Evening Advertiser, 14 June 1800. Poole, June 13. Sailed - Unity, Morson, for London. Then there are the few for John Morson and Atlas: True Briton, 3 January 1797. Ship News. Poole, Dec. 30. Atlas, Morson, for Rochester. True Briton, 15 August 1797. Cleared Outwards, August 14. Portsmouth. Atlas, John Morson. True Briton, 30 January 1798. Entered Inwards, Jan. 29. Poole - Atlas, John Morson. Finally, I found two accounts of the wrecks of sloops named Unity, and curiously both were in 1824, the last year in which I could find Morson's name linked with the vessel. Whether either of these were the Unity of George Morson one simply can't tell, because the master's name is never mentioned, but note there were at least nine listed in Lloyd's Register for that year. All were sloops named Unity, and there were presumably a number of others just pottering locally around the coast. Whatever, he seems to have have survived! The Bury and Norwich Post, Wednesday 26 May 1824. On Saturday night se'nnight the Unity sloop, bound to London with whiskey, was wrecked on the sands between Overstrand and Syderstrand, near Cromer. Her distress was observed, and a Beckhithe boat, manned by the fishermen ... succeeded in rescuing the crew, consisting of three men and two boys. ... The vessel went to pieces in a very short time after the crew were saved, and the wreck was driven, at high tide, close under the cliff. A great quantity of the cargo was saved, and taken to Mundesley ... . (seems to remind me of a certain Ealing comedy!) The Bury and Norwich Post, 1 December 1824. Dreadful Storm. ... The Fox revenue cruiser, with two of her crew, the sloop Unity, a small vessel (name unknown) and a schooner from Malaga to Hamburgh, were totally lost off Bridport; crews saved, except one man. Whether either of these was Morson's Unity is anyone's guess, but these may come in useful. Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: Mike Morson <m.morson@ntlworld.com> To: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 23 June, 2011 10:54:29 Subject: RE: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER  Hi Peter, I would indeed like the 18th century references if possible. George's brother John Morson was a fisherman/Oyster Dredgerman around that time but was a Grocer by 1802. Their father John Morson 1728-1807 was also a fisherman/Dredgerman but he sold his 60 tons fishing smack in 1788, so i would think that the references in the 1790's would have been for his son. Many thanks for the Insurance tips & archives refs, which are helping to fill in the details. Regards Mike Morson -----Original Message----- >From: Peter Klein [mailto:klein84@btinternet.com] >Sent: 23 June 2011 10:12 >To: Mike Morson >Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER > > >Hello Mike, > > >I do have a note of the late 18th-century references (if you would like to >have them), but they did not specify any cargoes, which is always of >interest. Morson was usually sailing from Poole during the 1790s, but also >Portsmouth, Southampton, and Dover. I did notice another Morson, John, who >was master of the Atlas., but no apparent mention after 1798 He also sailed >from Poole and Portsmouth, and Rochester was given as a destination. A >brother perhaps? Another Morson in Rochester was Anthony, an attorney, who >was frequently involved with bankruptcy proceedings. > > >Neither Unity nor Atlas are listed in Lloyd's Registers of Shipping, >indicating that they were probably owned by their masters or a family >business, sailing around the British coast and carrying cargoes that they >bought at the point of loading and then resold at their destination. This >would not have required insurance, they not carrying other people's goods, so >the owner/master would have borne total loss had this occurred. > > >The subject of shipkeepers has been covered in the "Mariner archives", so it >would be well worth checking what has been said there. > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search > > >Kind regards, > > >PK > > ________________________________ From: Mike Morson <m.morson@ntlworld.com> >To: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> >Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >Sent: Thursday, 23 June, 2011 9:37:48 >Subject: RE: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER > > >Thanks Peter, > >I do have occasional use of the 18th/19th century Newspaper site, so will >recheck as the name MORSON can also be printed as MOSSON or MAWSON. > >I also have noted in a Lloyds Register of shipping listing that "Benjamin >Vehn" was described as the "SHIPKEEPER" of the UNITY and he became a >Greenwich Pensioner having served between 1793 -1825. He also was born in the >Medway Area. Any thoughts on whether there are likely to be any additional >sources of information relative to the "UNITY" or B. Vehn as a >"SHIPKEEPER". > >Regards >Mike Morson >-----Original Message----- >>From: Peter Klein [mailto:klein84@btinternet.com] >>Sent: 21 June 2011 23:00 >>To: Mike Morson >>Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER >> >> >>Hello Mike, >> >> >>Have you looked at the 18th/19th-century newspaper reports? I have access >>to these, if you think they might be of interest. For instance, the >>following eight occur during the early 19th-century, not that they are all >>that informative: >> >> >>Ipswich Journal, 30 March 1811 - Ipswich March 30. Sailed, Unity, Morson, >>for Rochester, with corn. >>Royal Cornish Gazette, 4 April 1812 - Penzance. Sailed. Unity, Morson, for >>Rochester. >>The Bury and Norwich Post, 26 November 1817 - Wisbech, Nov. 24. Sailed. >>Unity, Morson. >>The Bury and Norwich Post, 23 December 1818 - Lynn, Dec. 21. Arrived. >>Unity, Morson, from Newcastle, with pease. >>The Bury and Norwich Post, 8 December 1819 - Wisbech, Dec. 6. Sailed. >>Unity, Morson, for London. >>The Bury and Norwich Post, 15 October 1823 - Yarmouth, Oct. 13. Arrived. >>Unity, Morson, from Colchester, with stones. >>The Bury and Norwich Post, 21 January 1824 - Yarmouth, Jan. 19. Unity. >>Morson, from Poole, with pipe-clay. >>The Bury and Norwich Post, 28 January 1824 - Yarmouth, Jan. 26. Sailed. >>Unity, Morson. >> >> >>Let me know if you think those from the 18th-century might be of interest, >>although perhaps you already have them? >> >> >>Regards, >> >> >>PK >> >> ________________________________ From: Mike Morson <m.morson@ntlworld.com> >>To: Marinerslist <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> >>Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 18:25:04 >>Subject: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER >> >>Hi All, >> >>One of my ancestors George Morson lived in Rochester/Chatham in Kent. I >>have >>come across various records of a George Morson being the Captain of a >>SLOOP >>called the "UNITY" between 1793-1826 operating between various south of >>England Ports including Rochester,Dover, & London in "Lloyds List Marine >>News 1740-1837" index. >> >>Could any reader offer suggestions as to any other records i could look at >>in my research. >> >>Many Thanks >> >>Mike Morson >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >>the subject and the body of the message >>

During the 1880's the Barque "Adonis" was beached on Tybee Sands at the mouth of the Savannah River, Georgia USA does anyone know from whom I should discover details of her loss. She 'was built about 1865 at Montrose in Scotland and named "Woolhampton" and throughout the 1860's & 1870's she was operated by a number of owners, including Benjamin Greene in the Sugar trade between London and St Kitts, the master in charge of her was Robert Henry Laws (1828-1891), my great-grandfather. At the 1871 census The "Woolhampton" as she then was, I found in Gourock harbour but no sign either on the ship or in the town of the crew other than the Carpenter Joseph S Laws (I still have a few of his tools) and the ships cook, I believe there was a sugar refinery there which would account for the ship but not her missing crew. During 1873 she had a voyage from London to Mauritius and return, and each year between 1874 to 1881 she voyaged between London and St Kitts, but during 1882 had been sold to a Norwegian company and renames "Adonis", and loss as above. Henry LAWS (1800-1880), & his son Robert Henry (1828-1891) who both had a long career at sea, as master I guess both were at sea from about the age of six or so if not earlier there were other sons & relatives at sea during the following years. 1833 - 38 H LAWS, Master of Barque "Blanche" owners Shepherd & Co; London - St.Kitts Master Henry LAWS 1838 - 39 H Laws, Master of Brig "William Fulcher" owners Pochley & Co; - London - Nevis 1839 - 40 H Laws, Master of Barque "Benjamin Greene" owners Blythe & Greene; - West Indies 1842 - 43 H Laws, Master of Brig "William Fulcher" owners Pochley & Co; London - West Indies 1843 - 50 H Laws, Master of Barque "Benjamin Greene" owners Blythe & Greene; London -West Indies 1851 - 52 H Laws, Master of Barque "Nautilus" R H Laws Mate, owners Blythe & Greene; London -West Indies 1852 - 53 R H Laws Master of Barque "Catherine Green" owners Blythe & Greene; London - West Indies 1853 - 61 R H Laws Master of Barque "St Michael" 39958 owners Blythe & Greene; London -West Indies & Africa 1861 - 64 R H Laws Master of Barque "Devonshire" 24844 owners Blythe & Greene; London - West Indies 1854 - 64 H Laws Master of Barque "Nautilus" owners Blythe & Greene; London - West Indies 1864 - 68 R H Laws Master of Barque "Nautilus" owners Blythe & Greene; London - France, Portugal, Spain & West Indies 1864 - 65 R H Laws Master of Barque "Devonshire" owners Blythe & Greene; London - West Indies 1865 - 74 Master of Barque "Nautilus" owners Blythe & Greene; London - West Indies 1873 - 74 R H Laws Master of Barque "Woolhampton" owners Blythe & Co; London - Mauritius 1875 - 80 H Laws Master of Barque "Nautilus" owners W Binney; London - West Indies 1876 - 77 R H Laws Master of Barque "Woolhampton" owners Blythe Greene & Co; London - St Kitts 1878 - 80 R H Laws Master of Barque "Woolhampton" owners J Swindell; London - St Kitts 1881 - 82 R H Laws Master of Barque "Woolhampton" owners N C Sendall; London - St Kitts I'd love to see some photographs of any of these ships, There is an old oil-painting of the Woolhampton off the Needles signed by Tudjay, in the possession of my cousin Nicholas Laws (the celebrated film director hanging I guess, in his home in South Africa. John P Laws Registrar LAWS FAMILY REGISTER

I would be interested in the American version of this, as I have a court case between my great grandfather (a seaman) and his first mate and Captain of the Katherine J. Ireland for cruel and unusual treatment, if I recall the exact terms correctly. I would like a newspaper look up to get all of the data. it's probably in the Globe, as he was of Boston, MA, but it might be in another paper. I have seen part of the report and know that the mate and Captain lost the case. at least, they had to pay a fine. would someone with access to the newspaper archives please check for the reports on the case of Charles Wagner and send them to me? this was in and around August of 1884. thank you for your help. Cornelia

Mick, In the Lloyds of the time in the 3rd column ( just the right place to get mixed up with the Masters details) the letters AP followed by the horse power signify auxiliary engines. I did think that 200 hp was a bit on the high side for an auxiliary. Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: Mick [mailto:mick@irishshipwrecks.com] Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 2:09 PM To: Mariners; Colin Boyd Subject: Re: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton Thanks again Colin I had a note from Pete Owens of the Clip website he has access to the Appropriation books of the Register General of shipping, A foot note under the entry for Malacca says " Sold to Foreigners 30/5/62 as per cert [or might be "subsequently"] repurchased by British subjects and reregistered at Liverpool under the name of Florida 176/1862 [1864?]. Lost per return 21/6/67 " The cert[ificate] and return refer to correspondence between the Superintendents of Shipping and the Board of Trade. The date of the return may not be the date of the loss, or even the date when the register was closed. It all helps to build up a history. In the 1860s all ships carried sails so Lloyds would include her rig , what abbreviation or symbol do Lloyds use to show auxiliary steam engine ? I am still missing the vital conformation of her loss at Ballycotton, which will come from Lloyds List or her Register at Liverpool. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

Thanks again Colin I had a note from Pete Owens of the Clip website he has access to the Appropriation books of the Register General of shipping, A foot note under the entry for Malacca says " Sold to Foreigners 30/5/62 as per cert [or might be "subsequently"] repurchased by British subjects and reregistered at Liverpool under the name of Florida 176/1862 [1864?]. Lost per return 21/6/67 " The cert[ificate] and return refer to correspondence between the Superintendents of Shipping and the Board of Trade. The date of the return may not be the date of the loss, or even the date when the register was closed. It all helps to build up a history. In the 1860s all ships carried sails so Lloyds would include her rig , what abbreviation or symbol do Lloyds use to show auxiliary steam engine ? I am still missing the vital conformation of her loss at Ballycotton, which will come from Lloyds List or her Register at Liverpool. Mick www.irishshipwrecks.com

Mick, I looked at the original Customs House Register for 1860 and did find 'Malacca'. It was first registered on 7/12/1860 with Charles Mark Palmer as the sole owner. The next entry is for 22/2/1862 when 43 shares were transferred to William James Fernie and Henry Fernie of Liverpool and the vessel's registration transferred to that port. I don't know how much info you have on dimensions but the following are taken from the initial registration document: Length : 267.2 ft Breadth : 37.65 ft Depth of Hold : 21.15 ft Length of Engine Room : 33 ft containing 2 engines. Total 250 hp The vessel was registered as a screw driven steamship whereas Lloyds has her as a barque with auxillary steam engine. Hope it helps Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mick Sent: Monday, June 20, 2011 3:39 PM To: Mariners Subject: Re: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton Hi Colin In my original message I was trying to confirm her loss off Ballycotton, but so much other good info has surfaced its all welcome and I will use it. I missed her in Lloyds as the entry in my copy for 1861 has a line through it , as if to delete it ?. The name change came before 1864 as she appears in MNL 1864 as Florida. As a diver I can tell you the specs are always important when trying to ID a wreck , its unlikely this one will ever be found intact but on my site I try to include as much detail of the vessels build as possible, you just never know when it my be needed. Thanks for your input Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mick To: Mariners Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

Hello Mike, I do have a note of the late 18th-century references (if you would like to have them), but they did not specify any cargoes, which is always of interest. Morson was usually sailing from Poole during the 1790s, but also Portsmouth, Southampton, and Dover. I did notice another Morson, John, who was master of the Atlas., but no apparent mention after 1798 He also sailed from Poole and Portsmouth, and Rochester was given as a destination. A brother perhaps? Another Morson in Rochester was Anthony, an attorney, who was frequently involved with bankruptcy proceedings. Neither Unity nor Atlas are listed in Lloyd's Registers of Shipping, indicating that they were probably owned by their masters or a family business, sailing around the British coast and carrying cargoes that they bought at the point of loading and then resold at their destination. This would not have required insurance, they not carrying other people's goods, so the owner/master would have borne total loss had this occurred. The subject of shipkeepers has been covered in the "Mariner archives", so it would be well worth checking what has been said there. http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search Kind regards, PK ________________________________ From: Mike Morson <m.morson@ntlworld.com> To: Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 23 June, 2011 9:37:48 Subject: RE: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER  Thanks Peter, I do have occasional use of the 18th/19th century Newspaper site, so will recheck as the name MORSON can also be printed as MOSSON or MAWSON. I also have noted in a Lloyds Register of shipping listing that "Benjamin Vehn" was described as the "SHIPKEEPER" of the UNITY and he became a Greenwich Pensioner having served between 1793 -1825. He also was born in the Medway Area. Any thoughts on whether there are likely to be any additional sources of information relative to the "UNITY" or B. Vehn as a "SHIPKEEPER". Regards Mike Morson -----Original Message----- >From: Peter Klein [mailto:klein84@btinternet.com] >Sent: 21 June 2011 23:00 >To: Mike Morson >Cc: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER > > >Hello Mike, > > >Have you looked at the 18th/19th-century newspaper reports? I have access to >these, if you think they might be of interest. For instance, the following >eight occur during the early 19th-century, not that they are all that >informative: > > >Ipswich Journal, 30 March 1811 - Ipswich March 30. Sailed, Unity, Morson, for >Rochester, with corn. >Royal Cornish Gazette, 4 April 1812 - Penzance. Sailed. Unity, Morson, for >Rochester. >The Bury and Norwich Post, 26 November 1817 - Wisbech, Nov. 24. Sailed. >Unity, Morson. >The Bury and Norwich Post, 23 December 1818 - Lynn, Dec. 21. Arrived. Unity, >Morson, from Newcastle, with pease. >The Bury and Norwich Post, 8 December 1819 - Wisbech, Dec. 6. Sailed. Unity, >Morson, for London. >The Bury and Norwich Post, 15 October 1823 - Yarmouth, Oct. 13. Arrived. >Unity, Morson, from Colchester, with stones. >The Bury and Norwich Post, 21 January 1824 - Yarmouth, Jan. 19. Unity. >Morson, from Poole, with pipe-clay. >The Bury and Norwich Post, 28 January 1824 - Yarmouth, Jan. 26. Sailed. >Unity, Morson. > > >Let me know if you think those from the 18th-century might be of interest, >although perhaps you already have them? > > >Regards, > > >PK > > ________________________________ From: Mike Morson <m.morson@ntlworld.com> >To: Marinerslist <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 18:25:04 >Subject: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER > >Hi All, > >One of my ancestors George Morson lived in Rochester/Chatham in Kent. I have >come across various records of a George Morson being the Captain of a >SLOOP >called the "UNITY" between 1793-1826 operating between various south of >England Ports including Rochester,Dover, & London in "Lloyds List Marine >News 1740-1837" index. > >Could any reader offer suggestions as to any other records i could look at >in my research. > >Many Thanks > >Mike Morson > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Harold, The subject of Protests is covered well in Isaac Ridler Butts' Laws of the Sea: the Rights of Seamen, Coasters & Fishermen's Guide, and Master's and Mate's Manual, published in 1857, and available on Google Books. The OED defines the protest as "a written declaration by the master of a ship, attested by a justice of the peace or a consul, stating the circumstances under which officers or crew have incurred liability or the ship or cargo has suffered damage." Butts says that a master must enter a general protest against any losses, damages, and misfortunes, within 24 hours of arrival at his destination, but if he is driven by stress of weather out of his regular course, he is absolutely bound to do so at the first port he may arrive at. Having done this, the general protest may be extended to cover specific damage or grievance. He said: "It is usual for ship-masters, immediately after arriving in port from a foreign voyage, to enter a general protest, to be extended afterwards. This he does, whether he is aware of having sustained any damage from the perils of the sea or not. Should he afterwards find that the ship or cargo did sustain damage, he may then extend upon his general protest". http://books.google.com/books?id=cqYpAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA92&dq=protest+losses+damages&hl=en&ei=meoCTvzfI8G38gOD263dDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CDcQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=protest%20losses%20damages&f=false What would happen if a master was rash enough not to cover himself by a protest he does not say, but presumably he might either be open to legal action by the ship-owner or, as you suggest, refusal to cover losses by the underwriters. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: "Hwabz@aol.com" <Hwabz@aol.com> To: mariners@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, 23 June, 2011 2:31:06 Subject: [MAR] Making "a protest" after loss of a ship Can someone please enlighten me about the formal process of "making a protest" after the loss of a ship? After the ship EXPRESS was lost with all hands but one seaman, her owner, William Kelly, at once noted protest before a notary, "Fearing that the master of the said ship may be lost, and that the seaman so saved may be unable to make a protest.” The protest was sworn on the “Holy Evangelists of Almighty God,” and after recounting his knowledge of the voyage he ended up protesting against the – “Winds, seas, weathers, accidents, and occurrences aforesaid, and against all losses or damages suffered or to be suffered,” etc. Was this action a necessary legal precursor to claiming an insurance loss? Thanks, Harold ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone please enlighten me about the formal process of "making a protest" after the loss of a ship? After the ship EXPRESS was lost with all hands but one seaman, her owner, William Kelly, at once noted protest before a notary, "Fearing that the master of the said ship may be lost, and that the seaman so saved may be unable to make a protest.” The protest was sworn on the “Holy Evangelists of Almighty God,” and after recounting his knowledge of the voyage he ended up protesting against the – “Winds, seas, weathers, accidents, and occurrences aforesaid, and against all losses or damages suffered or to be suffered,” etc. Was this action a necessary legal precursor to claiming an insurance loss? Thanks, Harold

Thankyou Lynn for that information regarding my great grandfather John Geil, coast guard. In fact we had accessed “coastguardsofyesteryear” and Tony Daly of that site had been tremendous help in providing photographs of the coast guard base in Claggan also a death registration of John Geil. We understand unfortunately that Tony is no longer available. What perhaps we did not mention was that the Irish coast guard stations at that time were manned with English coast guards and therefore this event should have been officially recorded and archived at Kew? At least that’s what we thought! We have his Royal Navy history that includes his transfer to the Coast Guards, his posting to Claggan and the date and death by drowning but no details of the event, other than the newspaper article. Also thanks to Paul Benyon who outlined the pension possibilities and information that indicated the authorities generally did not investigate or report on this type of incident. John Geil was certainly surrounded by mystery his first wife Sophia Rider following his Ireland Coast Guard transfer, and second wife Mary Gaven following his drowning, both untraceable. Perhaps another 15 years before we finally sort him out! Joan Gibbs, Queensland, Australia.

Hi, Only just got back from a holiday. Has anyone given you this link yet? I found several of "my" coastguards on it. GENUKI has also a list for Lighthouse Keepers, found some of mine there as well. Anyway hope it helps. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/Coastguards/ Maureen

I would appreciate if anyone could advance any further information about James Dillon, master in the Royal Navy. I have traced that he was appointed to command of the POMPEE on the 10th November 1814, and was , I think, on the CORNWALLIS previous to that, possibly 1809. I am trying to find what became of this man. with thanks Jenny Fawcett

Hello Mike, Have you looked at the 18th/19th-century newspaper reports? I have access to these, if you think they might be of interest. For instance, the following eight occur during the early 19th-century, not that they are all that informative: Ipswich Journal, 30 March 1811 - Ipswich March 30. Sailed, Unity, Morson, for Rochester, with corn. Royal Cornish Gazette, 4 April 1812 - Penzance. Sailed. Unity, Morson, for Rochester. The Bury and Norwich Post, 26 November 1817 - Wisbech, Nov. 24. Sailed. Unity, Morson. The Bury and Norwich Post, 23 December 1818 - Lynn, Dec. 21. Arrived. Unity, Morson, from Newcastle, with pease. The Bury and Norwich Post, 8 December 1819 - Wisbech, Dec. 6. Sailed. Unity, Morson, for London. The Bury and Norwich Post, 15 October 1823 - Yarmouth, Oct. 13. Arrived. Unity, Morson, from Colchester, with stones. The Bury and Norwich Post, 21 January 1824 - Yarmouth, Jan. 19. Unity. Morson, from Poole, with pipe-clay. The Bury and Norwich Post, 28 January 1824 - Yarmouth, Jan. 26. Sailed. Unity, Morson. Let me know if you think those from the 18th-century might be of interest, although perhaps you already have them? Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Mike Morson <m.morson@ntlworld.com> To: Marinerslist <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 18:25:04 Subject: [MAR] George Morson 1762-1841-MARINER Hi All, One of my ancestors George Morson lived in Rochester/Chatham in Kent. I have come across various records of a George Morson being the Captain of a SLOOP called the "UNITY" between 1793-1826 operating between various south of England Ports including Rochester,Dover, & London in "Lloyds List Marine News 1740-1837" index. Could any reader offer suggestions as to any other records i could look at in my research. Many Thanks Mike Morson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, One of my ancestors George Morson lived in Rochester/Chatham in Kent. I have come across various records of a George Morson being the Captain of a SLOOP called the "UNITY" between 1793-1826 operating between various south of England Ports including Rochester,Dover, & London in "Lloyds List Marine News 1740-1837" index. Could any reader offer suggestions as to any other records i could look at in my research. Many Thanks Mike Morson

Ooops ! With respect to the appointment to the Brisk it looks as though I've confused the issue - I intended to imply that I doubt if he was appointed to another ship during the 1820s as there would have been a lot of other officers seeking appointments to sea-going ships, but with only a few ships in service, many officers spent long periods unemployed and on half-pay, that is unless that had good connections in the upper echelons of the service i.e. patrons in good positions ! As mentioned recently I think the best way to illustrate the post war cut backs is probably by giving the number of ratings and marines manning the fleet in 1813 was 140,000, which by 1817 had been reduced to a mere 19,000 men : http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval_History/Reports/Budgets/Budgets.htm Paul On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 16:37:36 +0100, Paul Benyon <pbenyon@pbenyon.plus.com> wrote: >Hi Jenny > >I have him promoted to Master 30 Nov 1809, > >http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Nbd/masters/20534.html > >and mentioned in a list of the masters, medical officers, and pursers >published in 1827 : see : > ><http://books.google.com/books?id=Iu8NAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA9&dq=%22James+Dillon%22+Master&hl=en&ei=qqcATuCnKM6UOrfJoP8N&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false> > >There is another mention of him in what appears to be an early edition >of the Navy List for 1828, but he would appear to have disappeared >from the Navy List before the end of the year (1828). Unfortunately >the Navy Lists for this period do not detail when or why officers have >been removed. So to summarise he seems to have disappeared prior to >the September edition for 1828, but the on-line copy in Google Books >which I down loaded some months ago seems to have been a loose leaf >version or was scanned in reverse order and it is very difficult to >follow, to say the least ;-) > >Regarding his appointments, I agree that he was appointed to the >POMPEE 16 Nov 1814, as Master, which is not to say that he was in >command : the ship was commanded by Captain Sir J. Athol Wood, and >there were a number of Lieutenants who would have been senior to him, >in that they held an executive rank. In Nov 1815 I have a note that >the vessel was returning her stores and guns preparatory to being paid >off: > >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/P/03597.html > >which appears to tie in with his removal from the ship's books about >this time. In view of the difficulty officers experienced getting >appointments following the end of the Napoleonic wars, with too many >officers looking for appointments to too few ships and vessels, I >wouldn't be surprised if the appointment mentioned by Peter Klein to >the Brisk: > >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/B/00681.html > >wasn't the only one before he disappeared from the Navy List, but >unfortunately we don't know whether his disappearance from the List >was caused by his death, or because he may have found work as a Master >in the Merchant Service. Many Masters and Paymasters, with family >commitments etc., and the need to maintain their status, found that >they were unable to exist on their half-pay and there are a number of >letters on the subject in newspapers of the 1820s and 30s, and a few >managed to find work elsewhere, but at the same time we know that folk >often died much younger in those days, what with cholera and other >diseases for which there was no treatment. > >Unlike the Merchant Service the Master of an RN ship was rarely in >command unless, when a senior master, he was appointed as master in >command of say a troop or store ship i.e. a vessel that would not >normally have been used for offensive purposes and was only lightly >armed for defensive purposes. > >Paul > > >On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:14:52 +1000, "pat fawcett" ><orangebox@aussiebb.com.au> wrote: > >>I would appreciate if anyone could advance any further information about >>James Dillon, master in the Royal Navy. >> >>I have traced that he was appointed to command of the POMPEE on the 10th >>November 1814, and was , I think, on the CORNWALLIS previous to that, >>possibly 1809. >>I am trying to find what became of this man. >> >>with thanks >>Jenny Fawcett >> >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >50° 33' N, 2° 26' W >http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hi Jenny I have him promoted to Master 30 Nov 1809, http://www.pbenyon1.plus.com/Nbd/masters/20534.html and mentioned in a list of the masters, medical officers, and pursers published in 1827 : see : <http://books.google.com/books?id=Iu8NAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA9&dq=%22James+Dillon%22+Master&hl=en&ei=qqcATuCnKM6UOrfJoP8N&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false> There is another mention of him in what appears to be an early edition of the Navy List for 1828, but he would appear to have disappeared from the Navy List before the end of the year (1828). Unfortunately the Navy Lists for this period do not detail when or why officers have been removed. So to summarise he seems to have disappeared prior to the September edition for 1828, but the on-line copy in Google Books which I down loaded some months ago seems to have been a loose leaf version or was scanned in reverse order and it is very difficult to follow, to say the least ;-) Regarding his appointments, I agree that he was appointed to the POMPEE 16 Nov 1814, as Master, which is not to say that he was in command : the ship was commanded by Captain Sir J. Athol Wood, and there were a number of Lieutenants who would have been senior to him, in that they held an executive rank. In Nov 1815 I have a note that the vessel was returning her stores and guns preparatory to being paid off: http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/P/03597.html which appears to tie in with his removal from the ship's books about this time. In view of the difficulty officers experienced getting appointments following the end of the Napoleonic wars, with too many officers looking for appointments to too few ships and vessels, I wouldn't be surprised if the appointment mentioned by Peter Klein to the Brisk: http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/18-1900/B/00681.html wasn't the only one before he disappeared from the Navy List, but unfortunately we don't know whether his disappearance from the List was caused by his death, or because he may have found work as a Master in the Merchant Service. Many Masters and Paymasters, with family commitments etc., and the need to maintain their status, found that they were unable to exist on their half-pay and there are a number of letters on the subject in newspapers of the 1820s and 30s, and a few managed to find work elsewhere, but at the same time we know that folk often died much younger in those days, what with cholera and other diseases for which there was no treatment. Unlike the Merchant Service the Master of an RN ship was rarely in command unless, when a senior master, he was appointed as master in command of say a troop or store ship i.e. a vessel that would not normally have been used for offensive purposes and was only lightly armed for defensive purposes. Paul On Tue, 21 Jun 2011 23:14:52 +1000, "pat fawcett" <orangebox@aussiebb.com.au> wrote: >I would appreciate if anyone could advance any further information about >James Dillon, master in the Royal Navy. > >I have traced that he was appointed to command of the POMPEE on the 10th >November 1814, and was , I think, on the CORNWALLIS previous to that, >possibly 1809. >I am trying to find what became of this man. > >with thanks >Jenny Fawcett > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Jenny, This may not be of a great deal of help, but a James Dillon was appointed Master to HM sloop Brisk in 1823, announced in the Caledonian Mercury of the 7th April. Brisk was a 10 gun brig-sloop, or sloop-of-war, launched in 1819 (eventually sold off in 18430. Dillon would have sailed under Captain E. Stewart, who tragically drowned on he 23 December 1823 when the gig, in which he was being ferried from Chatham to the Brisk, then lying at anchor off Sheerness, was upset after colliding with a buoy by night in the Medway. Also drowned were the Brisk's purser Thomas Smith, the gun-room steward, and four other men. James Dillon's name is not mentioned in the list. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: pat fawcett <orangebox@aussiebb.com.au> To: mariners-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 21 June, 2011 14:14:52 Subject: [MAR] James Dillon RN I would appreciate if anyone could advance any further information about James Dillon, master in the Royal Navy. I have traced that he was appointed to command of the POMPEE on the 10th November 1814, and was , I think, on the CORNWALLIS previous to that, possibly 1809. I am trying to find what became of this man. with thanks Jenny Fawcett ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having another go at getting my reply through to Mariners - been having problems with rootsweb server rejecting several attempts: My reply: Miramar show the MALACCA as launched 1.11.1860 and completed 12.1860. However, they give no details of any subsequent history. Ron Mapplebeck Middlesbrough, UK *** On 20/06/2011 11:14, Colin Boyd wrote: > Mick > When you asked for information did you mean of the vessel or loss? > I found her in the 1861 Lloyds as the 'Malacca' but nothing after that. > She was registered as an iron barque with a 200 HP auxillary steam > engine at 1610 tons old measurement and 1354 on the new. She is shown > as being owned by C. Palmer of Newcastle and trading from London to the > Mediterranean. She had 7 bulkheads and was classed as A1 for 6 years > from 4/1861. > However the Yard List for Palmers Shipyard shows her as being Yard No. > 96 and not launched until 11/5/1863! (could be a misprint for > 11/5/1861). She is definitely not in the 1864 or 1865 Lloyds under > either name. > > Cheers > Colin > > > Colin Boyd > Documentation Assistant > Collections and Exhibitions > Tyne& Wear Archives& Museums > > Tel: 0191 2772177 > Fax: 0191 2302614 > Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk > > > > > R > ead Tyne& Wear Archives& Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here > > > > - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ > > > Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub > > Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk > > 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. > > > > v.1TWAM > > From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mick > Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:05 PM > To: Mariners > Subject: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton > > Hi All > > I am looking for some information on the SS. Florida. > > She was first registered in Newcastle in 1860 as Malacca O.N 29107 > 1452 ntr 250hp > > She is not listed in MNL 1861 > > Listed in MNL 1864 as Florida Registered in Liverpool. > > Listed in MNL 1867 as owned by "The British& American Steam Navigation > Company, Liverpool" ? > http://www.theshipslist.com/ships/lines/basn.htm this company had > ceased trading in 1841. > > Her register was closed in June 1867 > > Meanwhile on the South Coast of Ireland in March 1867 the news papers > report an unknown steamer is lost off Ballycotton, > Ballycotton is approx 10 miles to the east of Cork Harbour (Cobh) Then > Known as Queenstown. > > Abstracts from the Board of Trade Wreck reports lists her, > Florida Crew 37 (lost) Cargo Coal, Supposed Foundered off Ballycotton. > > There are no news paper reports of the loss of S.S Florida for March or > April or none that I can find. > > Could any one connect the Florida to the Unknown off the coast of Cork > or place the Florida somewhere else ?. > > Also the British& American Steam Navigation Company, famous for the SS > Sirius, did this company wind up in 1841 or continue. > > > > Mick O Rourke > > > www.irishshipwrecks.com > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT > department. > > All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. > > This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

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Hi Colin In my original message I was trying to confirm her loss off Ballycotton, but so much other good info has surfaced its all welcome and I will use it. I missed her in Lloyds as the entry in my copy for 1861 has a line through it , as if to delete it ?. The name change came before 1864 as she appears in MNL 1864 as Florida. As a diver I can tell you the specs are always important when trying to ID a wreck , its unlikely this one will ever be found intact but on my site I try to include as much detail of the vessels build as possible, you just never know when it my be needed. Thanks for your input Mick O Rourke www.irishshipwrecks.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Mick To: Mariners Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:04 PM Subject: [MAR] Steam Ship Florida Lost Off Ballycotton