has anyone any experience as to how reliable Lloyds Shipping Registers were ? My dilemma is this: I am chasing James Dillon, who in 1827 was in command of the ENTERPRIZE / Enterprise, 151t, Heaviside owner. Dillon took the vessel from London to Bombay via Deal, with a supercargo who took over the command of the vessel once they got to Bombay. >From 1828 neither Dillon nor the Enterprise can be found in Lloyds or other India shipping records (online at least). And in 1828 a vessel called the Enterprize was wrecked enroute from Bombay to Pondicherry (her master's name was Cook). And from 1828 I cannot find Dillon in command of other vessels. But whilst researching in the 1830's Lloyds registers, I found that in 1834 the Enterprize suddenly shows up again on the Lloyds registers, with James Dillon in command, 152 tons, J. Allan as her owner, and of the port of London, but no other details for this and subsequent years. With a bit of research I found that in 1834 the societies who published the Register Books of shipping annually finished up, and this new (and subsequent) editions were LLOYDS REGISTER OF BRITISH AND FOREIGN SHIPPING, established 1834. So, did the Enterprize keep function with Dillon as master and simply escape the attention of the Lloyds registers from 1828 - 1833, or, when this new LLoyds began in 1834, were they accessing/using outdated ships registers/information ? cheers Jenny Fawcett

Hello Mike,   I'm assuming that you mean this website? http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/lloydslist/   You can also see the actual Lloyd's List newspapers at: http://catalog.hathitrust.org/Record/000549597   You may pick up a few more citations there. The OCR makes a lot of mistakes, so best to search more than once - by ship name, by surname, by spelling variants of surname. For the citations you already have, it will be nice to be able to print out the actual newspaper piece, rather than just the abstract.   Regards, Adi --- On Tue, 6/21/11, Mike Morson <m.morson@ntlworld.com> wrote: .... I have come across various records of a George Morson being the Captain of a SLOOP called the "UNITY" between 1793-1826 operating between various south of England Ports including Rochester,Dover, & London in "Lloyds List Marine News 1740-1837" index.

Greetings I hope that some on this list may be able to give me some clues as to how I can find out if Henry Blandford 1 & 2 are the same person, here is what I have found out. Henry Blandford 1 Henry was a seaman on the Brothers an immigrant ship from England to Australia which arrived in Sydney on the 11th March 1841. On arrival in Sydney members of the crew including Henry were indicted for mutiny and insubordination on board the Brothers, on the 6th January 1842 off the Cape of Good Hope. The indictment contained two counts, the first charging revolt the second with insubordination on the high seas. Henry was also found loitering around the female quarters. On 6th June 1842 Mary McKay, who coincidentally was on the Brothers, gave birth to a son known as Henry Charles Blandford, my g g grandfather. Nothing is known of Henry snr after the incident on the Brothers. Mary McKay married some years later and described herself as a spinster. Henry Blandford 2 In the Hampshire Advertiser & Salisbury Guardian Saturday 5th March 1842 there is an article that describes the death of all the crew, including Captain Bazin, of the Eleanor in Gambia. According to the report while at the Nunes two crew members became sick and died. Without sufficient provisions to take them home they put into the Gambia on the 6th January 1842 where they all caught a fever and died or as the article says "we are sorry to say has taken them off." One of the crew was a Henry Blandford. According to the state records of NSW, in May 1841 there was a Brig called Eleanor in Sydney and in August 1841 there was a Barque called Eleanor in Sydney. I read some where that there are records in England that list all mariners with a unique number that details the ships they sailed on. Is any one able to give me contact details of who would hold these records? And can anyone tell me what is meant by the term "Nunes"? My apologies for this long email but I and other family researchers have been wondering what happened to our ggg grandfather Henry Blandford 1 Howard Australia

Hi Harold, This is your ship. HUDSON 3679 gross tons cargo steamer built 1900 by Sunderland S.B.Co.Ltd.--Sunderland [yard number 203] Built as HUDSON for Anglo-American Oil Co.Ltd.--London [ON. 112704] 1912 HUDSON MARU K.Fujioka--Kobe 1914 " Tatsuma Kisen Goshi Kaisha --Kobe Captured by the German raider SMS Mowe on 5 th. of January 1917 near Fernando Noronha.Released and sent to Pernambuco with crews of sunken ships. 1919 returned to owners 1924 K.Masuda--Kobe [same name] 1930 NAGATO MARU Hayashikane Shoten K.K.--Fuchu 1933 " Nippon Godo Kisen K.K.--Habu 1934 TOTEN MARU " 1939 " Nippon Suisan K.K.--Habu Torpedoed and sunk by USS BARB,11 June 1944,in position 46. 58 N by 143, 50 E.[off the coast of Sakhalin] Hope this helps. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia [all info sourced from W.A.Schell register for 1900] ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hwabz@aol.com> To: <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: [MAR] Standard Oil steamer Hudson > I'm looking for any and all information about a steamship HUDSON owned by > British Standard Oil that made a trip from New York to China and Japan in > 1902. Her captain, JOHN KELLY, died during the voyage at Colombo, Ceylon > on > August 31, 1902. I haven't nailed down an official number for the ship > yet, > but she might have been 112704 built 1900 London. Any information that > would help in identifying this ship and/or the purpose of her trip to the > far > east in 1902 would be much appreciated. > Thanks, > Harold > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Greetings.....can anyone provide me with the name of the 'Master' of SS Exterminator while she was in convoy QP-13? Thanks in advance. Bud & R.J....We Wish You Well MY BLOG FOR NAVAL ARTICLES MY MERCHANT SHIP HISTORY SITE

> In theory she was only sailing locally, so what she might have been doing in the Gambia I do not know. Apart from occasional problems with the slave trade ISTR that a cruiser was earmarked each year to spend time at the Gambia keeping the peace when the seasonal trade in gum commenced, a trade which attracted a number of merchantmen at a certain time each year. I suspect that the thinking was that if a slave trader slipped into the river whilst pretending to be a gum trader and encouraged the local chiefs to start slave trading again the natives would head for the hills and legitimate trade would dry up as there would be little or no labour to tend the crops and go out fishing etc. Paul On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 13:54:24 +0100 (BST), Peter Klein <klein84@btinternet.com> wrote: >For what it's worth, according to Lloyd's Register for 1841/42 Captain Bazin >appears to have been master of the Eleanore (with an "e" on the end), a brig >built in Guernsey in 1840, 167 tons, and owned by Blondell of Guernsey. She >appears again in 1842/43, this time under a captain Makernot, and later capt. >Wakeham (1843/44) etc. In theory she was only sailing locally, so what she >might have been doing in the Gambia I do not know. 50° 33' N, 2° 26' W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Hello Howard, For what it's worth, according to Lloyd's Register for 1841/42 Captain Bazin appears to have been master of the Eleanore (with an "e" on the end), a brig built in Guernsey in 1840, 167 tons, and owned by Blondell of Guernsey. She appears again in 1842/43, this time under a captain Makernot, and later capt. Wakeham (1843/44) etc. In theory she was only sailing locally, so what she might have been doing in the Gambia I do not know. From other vessels listed in 1841/42, the two Eleanors that reached Australia were probably: (1) barque Eleanor, 300 tons, Captain Holderness, owners Godwin & Co., London, sailing from London to Sydney. She was loading at London for Sydney on the 25 February 1841, leaving via Deal on the 2 April. This Eleanor was destroyed by fire at anchor when at "Aleppee" (presumably Alleppey or Alappuzha, Kerala), said to be an act of sabotage, before the 29 October 1842, while on her way to Calcutta. (2) brig Eleanor, 253 tons, Capt. Mossman, owned by Cockburn, London, and sailing from London to N.S.W. She was said elsewhere to have arrived in Sydney from London before 7 September 1840. She left Mauritius for Hobart on the 13 March 1841, and then left Sydney on 12 June back to Mauritius. She arrived in Melbourne from Mauritius on 12 February 1842. These are the only two listed as sailing for Australia in that year. I hope this might help in teasing these various vessels apart. Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Howard Benson <hdb@hotkey.net.au> To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 27 June, 2011 12:18:11 Subject: [MAR] Henry BLANDFORD 1 & Henry BLANDFORD 2 - Mariner Greetings I hope that some on this list may be able to give me some clues as to how I can find out if Henry Blandford 1 & 2 are the same person, here is what I have found out. Henry Blandford 1 Henry was a seaman on the Brothers an immigrant ship from England to Australia which arrived in Sydney on the 11th March 1841. On arrival in Sydney members of the crew including Henry were indicted for mutiny and insubordination on board the Brothers, on the 6th January 1842 off the Cape of Good Hope. The indictment contained two counts, the first charging revolt the second with insubordination on the high seas. Henry was also found loitering around the female quarters. On 6th June 1842 Mary McKay, who coincidentally was on the Brothers, gave birth to a son known as Henry Charles Blandford, my g g grandfather. Nothing is known of Henry snr after the incident on the Brothers. Mary McKay married some years later and described herself as a spinster. Henry Blandford 2 In the Hampshire Advertiser & Salisbury Guardian Saturday 5th March 1842 there is an article that describes the death of all the crew, including Captain Bazin, of the Eleanor in Gambia. According to the report while at the Nunes two crew members became sick and died. Without sufficient provisions to take them home they put into the Gambia on the 6th January 1842 where they all caught a fever and died or as the article says "we are sorry to say has taken them off." One of the crew was a Henry Blandford. According to the state records of NSW, in May 1841 there was a Brig called Eleanor in Sydney and in August 1841 there was a Barque called Eleanor in Sydney. I read some where that there are records in England that list all mariners with a unique number that details the ships they sailed on. Is any one able to give me contact details of who would hold these records? And can anyone tell me what is meant by the term "Nunes"? My apologies for this long email but I and other family researchers have been wondering what happened to our ggg grandfather Henry Blandford 1 Howard Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Serafina O N 49895 3 masted Barque Extract from Official Log Monday 3-15 A M May 29th 1865, Seaman going aloft to stow the fore Top sail fell out of the fore rigging overboard.Action taken backed the fore Topsail,lowered the gig and used every exertion to save him but before the boat got to him, he sank and was drowned. The voyage Liverpool to Bonny, Bonny back to Liverpool. All He,s belongings was auctioned off on board they made a grand total of 13 shillings. Wages up to the time of death 29thMay 1865 £4-0-8 plus He,s personnel effects £0-13-0 total £4-13-8. It was a hard life. Regards George,

Harold, I was going to send you the info that Joe has just sent. Only addition I can make is that according to 1901-1902 Lloyds Register 'Hudson' was originally called (or to be called) 'J. Kelly'. Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Hwabz@aol.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 1:59 AM To: mariners@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Standard Oil steamer Hudson I'm looking for any and all information about a steamship HUDSON owned by British Standard Oil that made a trip from New York to China and Japan in 1902. Her captain, JOHN KELLY, died during the voyage at Colombo, Ceylon on August 31, 1902. I haven't nailed down an official number for the ship yet, but she might have been 112704 built 1900 London. Any information that would help in identifying this ship and/or the purpose of her trip to the far east in 1902 would be much appreciated. Thanks, Harold ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

2nd go. Hi Peter No all of which is or may be useful and thank you for it If its the same man, and it looks like it probably is , he is still calling himself a Master Mariner in 1871 Many thanks for your help Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) The ship's name appears to have been Haidee. According to the MNL, Kellow's certificate was number 526, as a 2nd class master, examined at London. Kellow was said to have been born in 1817, and gained his cert. on the 29 Dec. 1847, then of the barque Earl of Ripon of London. Curiously, the certificate was only finally removed in the 1861 MNL, and then there is merely a blank rather than it being annotated as cancelled. A Robert Kellow died at East Stonehouse, Plymouth, in the June quarter of 1882 at the age of 64, which might possibly be him. All of which is probably not a great deal of good to you! Regards, PK

Hello Nivard, The ship's name appears to have been Haidee. According to the MNL, Kellow's certificate was number 526, as a 2nd class master, examined at London. Kellow was said to have been born in 1817, and gained his cert. on the 29 Dec. 1847, then of the barque Earl of Ripon of London. Curiously, the certificate was only finally removed in the 1861 MNL, and then there is merely a blank rather than it being annotated as cancelled. A Robert Kellow died at East Stonehouse, Plymouth, in the June quarter of 1882 at the age of 64, which might possibly be him. All of which is probably not a great deal of good to you! Regards, PK ________________________________ From: Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> To: mariners-l@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, 26 June, 2011 20:41:36 Subject: [MAR] Robert KELLOW circa 1855 - 1858 Try again :-( (you get the distinct impression that Roostweb don't want you to post things!) I wondered if anyone had anything on a Captain Robert KELLOW There is a newspaper article about his involvement as Master of the Haldee in August 1855, they sailed from Plymouth to Quebec and landed in October he is then replaced as Master and his involvement seems to revolve around him not paying the crews wages , the main dispute is the new owner Thomas HOBBS of Liverpool trying to take possession of the ship from a Richard KINSLEY There is also the following article The Mercantile marine magazine and nautical record 1858 At the Royal Court of the resident magistrate, Cape Town, on the 17th June last, Robert Kellow, Master of the ship Countess of Yarborough, of London, was tried upon charges of drunkenness and obstructing the sailing of said vessel, proffered against him by Thomas Tinley Esq, Shipping Master, Cape Town. Defendant did not appear although he was personally summoned. It being the opinion of the Court that there existed sufficient ground for removing the Master from the command of the ship, and the above having been represented to the Board of Trade, their Lordships have directed that the Certificate of Competency, No 536, of Robert Kellow, shall be Canceled. Anyone have anything on this man please? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm looking for any and all information about a steamship HUDSON owned by British Standard Oil that made a trip from New York to China and Japan in 1902. Her captain, JOHN KELLY, died during the voyage at Colombo, Ceylon on August 31, 1902. I haven't nailed down an official number for the ship yet, but she might have been 112704 built 1900 London. Any information that would help in identifying this ship and/or the purpose of her trip to the far east in 1902 would be much appreciated. Thanks, Harold

Try again :-( (you get the distinct impression that Roostweb don't want you to post things!) I wondered if anyone had anything on a Captain Robert KELLOW There is a newspaper article about his involvement as Master of the Haldee in August 1855, they sailed from Plymouth to Quebec and landed in October he is then replaced as Master and his involvement seems to revolve around him not paying the crews wages , the main dispute is the new owner Thomas HOBBS of Liverpool trying to take possession of the ship from a Richard KINSLEY There is also the following article The Mercantile marine magazine and nautical record 1858 At the Royal Court of the resident magistrate, Cape Town, on the 17th June last, Robert Kellow, Master of the ship Countess of Yarborough, of London, was tried upon charges of drunkenness and obstructing the sailing of said vessel, proffered against him by Thomas Tinley Esq, Shipping Master, Cape Town. Defendant did not appear although he was personally summoned. It being the opinion of the Court that there existed sufficient ground for removing the Master from the command of the ship, and the above having been represented to the Board of Trade, their Lordships have directed that the Certificate of Competency, No 536, of Robert Kellow, shall be Canceled. Anyone have anything on this man please? Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK)

Was it possible to become a Lieut. at age 18y ? I am researching Robert Wemyss, who according to his death notice was born c1796 "Robert Wemyss, for many years commander of ship BOMBAY CASTLE in India, died Edinburg 19.2.1860, age 64 ". According to the Navy Biographical Dictionary of 1849, , Robert Wemyss entered? the Navy in 1805, and was promoted to Lieut in 1814. Is that possible ? According to the 1814 NAVY LIST, his date of 1st Warrant was 1814. According to the 1815 NAVY LIST, he was on the VENERABLE, 74g, in the West Indies. with thanks Jenny

Morning all Would anyone have any information on the above named company of London.I have traced some fifteen vessels at present,but background information seems scarce. Howard D Nutt 17 Burnthill Crescent Newtownabbey BT36 5AE Phone 02890879791 Mobile07974683388

A Royal Marines pension record indicates "Last Ship - 2nd DRM". It has been suggested that this means "2nd Division Royal Marines" - seems OK but can anyone confirm this? Many thanks Ruth in Hampshire

Sailed on the MV Ambassador in 1961 as RO. Joined in Jarrow dry dock to pick up a cargo of fertiliser in Hamburg for Shanghai. Engine broke down enroute Hamburg in a North Sea storm so it was a tow job to the nearest German port for repairs. Engine broke down again in the Indian Ocean enroute to Shanghai. I paid off in London after 6 months. Ironically I was on a tanker a few years later enroute to the Caribbean when the auto alarm was triggered by a distress signal. It was the Ambassador which was in distress in poor weather conditions about 300 miles N of our posn. From memory the closest vessel was an Italian passenger ship. The engine had broken down on the Ambassador. She stayed afloat for a day or so before going under. A number of the crew were lost including the RO and the Captain when they abandoned ship. A few stayed with the wreck and were picked up by yhe US Coast Guard Cheers John No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.872 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3720 - Release Date: 06/23/11 04:34:00

Harold You are correct, it seemed to be for marine insurance purposes. It also seemed to be a merchant captains opportunity to protect his reputation and explain the circumstances for what might well be his major career low point. Some observations from my research on British privateers on the coast of South America during 1790 to 1815. A ship protest was typically lodged by the master or owner's representative gathering the key details in a legal form, and usually it was being made at a location distant from the home port. In Sydney there are many examples of English captains and supercargoes lodging a Ship's Protest with the local judge advocate, and giving a detailed description of the events leading to the loss (or injury). The issue in the late 18th & early 19th C was that the marine insurers / underwriters would be looking for a reason not to pay up on the loss. It was in the interests of the owner and master that the contemporaneous events were documented, and were authoritative. For those with a maritime history interest a Ship Protest, and the subsequent proceedings in court, can prove a researchers dream. The challenge is to locate which court, if any, the claims were heard: the Court of Common Pleas, or Court of Exchequer, or Court of Chancery, or Kings Bench. I have yet to locate any Ship protests in the British archives such as the TNA. I know of a particular protest supposedly lodged in London in 1810. Can't seem to find it. If some kind soul has noticed a TNA group that has Ship protests, then a bottle of Australian wine is yours for the taking. Chris Maxworthy Australian Assocation for Maritime History (AAMH) > 1. Making "a protest" after loss of a ship (Hwabz@aol.com) > > Subject: [MAR] Making "a protest" after loss of a ship > To: mariners@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <4a01e.2a0bc536.3b33f15a@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Can someone please enlighten me about the formal process of "making a > protest" after the loss of a ship? > > After the ship EXPRESS was lost with all hands but one seaman, her owner, > William Kelly, at once noted protest before a notary, "Fearing that the > master of the said ship may be lost, and that the seaman so saved may be > unable to make a protest.? > > The protest was sworn on the ?Holy Evangelists of Almighty God,? and after > recounting his knowledge of the voyage he ended up protesting against the > ? > ?Winds, seas, weathers, accidents, and occurrences aforesaid, and against > all losses or damages suffered or to be suffered,? etc. > > Was this action a necessary legal precursor to claiming an insurance loss? > > Thanks, > > Harold >

Many thanks to Peter and Chris for their help with protesting the loss of a ship. The Mariners List comes through again. Harold

John wrote :- >an old oil-painting in the possession of my cousin Nicholas Laws (the >celebrated film director hanging I guess, in his home in South Africa. I sincerely hope there's a missing closing bracket in there somewhere? :-) Regards Gordon From: "John P Laws" <johnplaws@f2s.com> To: "'Mariners'" <mariners@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2011 5:11 PM Subject: [MAR] Barque "Adonis" beached on Tybee Sands GA >I'd love to see some photographs of any of these ships, There is an old >oil-painting of the Woolhampton off the Needles signed by Tudjay, in the >possession of my cousin Nicholas Laws (the celebrated film director >hanging >I guess, in his home in South Africa. >John P Laws >Registrar >LAWS FAMILY REGISTER