Hello Gordon,   >From the newspapers, here are some 'possibles' to check against Lloyd's registers for master's name, owner's name. Apparently there was more than one SHANKS as master, but the shipping news usually gives surname only.   Here's the link to Lloyd's registers online: http://www.maritimearchives.co.uk/lloyds-register.html   and here's the list of possibles: 1841 - schooner BELECK CASTLE of Glasgow 1841-2  - CLYDE 1842 - HUGH WALKER 1842 - SARAH 1843-4 - ROBINA 1845 - HANNAH ISABELLA 1845-6-7, 1849 - brig ANNA or ANN 1846, 1848 - MAGOG 1848 - SUPERB 1851 - COILA 1853-4-5 - AGNES SOPHIA of Glasgow 1854 - MINERVA 1854 - ship CANADA of Greenock   Regards, Adi --- On Mon, 7/4/11, Nivard Ovington <ovington1@sky.com> wrote: Hi Gordon I took the liberty of giving your post a subject line, "posting" does not tell the reader very much One possible sighting Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Monday, April 28, 1845; Issue 4408. A Chartered Vessel At Glasgow - For Antigua, Direct. The fine A1 British built coppered Brig ROBINA, 130 tons register Walter SHANKS, Commander, has a great part of her cargo engaged, and will meet with immediate dispatch. Apply to N.R. HANDYSIDE 18 Gordon Street Glasgow 26th April 1845 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My g g grandfather was Captain Walter Shanks, born in Saltcoats, Scotland on > December 18, 1818. He was the son of a ship's carpenter and perhaps part > owner of a shipbuilding business at the Braes in Saltcoats. My understanding > is that Captain Shanks was a Master Mariner. I have only been able to find > one record of him from 1850 as Captain of the Brig Minerva bound from > Londonderry to Philadelphia. Captain Shanks apparently owned a small fleet > of ocean crossing vessels. He died on the Keswick Ridge in New Brunswick at > age 81 on September 19th, 1900. Can anyone help me find any other records of > Captain Shanks? > > Thank you > > Gordon Shank

Our old friend, John Stevenson, has provided me with the following. It seems all the evidence points to the RANGER coming to her end on the Goodwin Sands, and I have also sent the aberdeenships website the information collated by our members. Ron Mapplebeck -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [teesmaritime] STRANGE BUT TRUE? - was Re: [MAR] CHRISTIE'S SHIPPING REGISTER [was Re: The sinking of the'Ranger'] [2 Attachments] Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 15:23:47 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: johndee.ships@btinternet.com <johndee.ships@btinternet.com> Reply-To: teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com To: <teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com> CC: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com>, <teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com> [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from johndee.ships@btinternet.com included below] Good afternoon Ron, Have been following this thread closely over the past weeks for as you know my research interest is Scottish Maritime History . I have checked several Scottish newspapers of the time and have come up with nothing to confirm the loss of a vessel RANGER off the Aberdeen coast in or around September 1833.. What I have found I have attached . *These are extracts from the " CALEDONIAN MERCURY" newspaper of Edinburgh * Plus *Morning Chronicle 3/9/1833* *"The RANGER of Sunderland has been abandoned near to the Goodwin Sands "* ** *This message is repeated in C.M of same date* ** Have checked the ABERDEEN JOURNAL and ABERDEEN WEEKLY JOURNAL from 1/9/1833 to 30/12/1833 and there is no report on a vessel RANGER being lost on the NE Scotland coast. I consulted "Shipwrecks of N.E. Scotland " by David Ferguson , " Shipwrecks of the North of Scotland " by Bob Baird and what is the definitive book on Scottish shipwrecks , "Off Scotland " by Ian Whittaker . None of these list a RANGER lost off N.E Scotland in 1833. To make doubly sure have spoken to both Bob and Ian and they confirm while there are records of fourteen vessels (1773/1964) bearing this name having been lost around the Scottish coast there is no report of a loss in 1833. From this evidence I would say that there was only one vessel involved - that which was off Goodwin Sands. Perhaps Aberdeen Art Gallery & Museums just got their facts wrong !!!!!!!!! Trust this is of help and interest to you all Regards John John S.Stevenson Edinburgh Sunny spells, flat calm , 19C @15.00 /-------Original Message-------/ /*From:*/ Ron Mapplebeck <mailto:ron.mapplebeck1@virgin.net> /*Date:*/ 05/07/2011 12:55:49 /*Cc:*/ MARINERS@rootsweb.com <mailto:MARINERS@rootsweb.com>; teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com <mailto:teesmaritime@yahoogroups.com> /*Subject:*/ [teesmaritime] STRANGE BUT TRUE? - was Re: [MAR] CHRISTIE'S SHIPPING REGISTER [was Re: The sinking of the'Ranger'] It seems the story of the RANGER fits into the "strange but true" category! Susan has confirmed (off-list) that the documentation she has confirms her RANGER sinking off Aberdeen on 1 September 1833, and this is very much supported by the commemorative glass fully detailed at: http://www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?index=115108&shipid=100687 <http://www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?index=115108&shipid=100687> This leaves the following as being "strange but true" coincidences: Same ship name (RANGER), Same type of vessel (schooner), Same date of loss/abandonment (1 September 1833), Same port of registry (Sunderland - Peter found another item relative to the schooner at Dover), Owner/master (Christie - also a master mariner - as owner of the RANGER lost off Aberdeen, Christie as master of the RANGER abandoned off Calais). I suppose it might just be possible that the journalists reporting the Calais/Dover vessel got their ship particulars mixed up with the other RANGER through her loss arising at exactly the same time!? It would be of great interest if anyone could further fill out the details of both vessels. In the meantime it would still be of equal interest to know more about the John Christie who compiled the shipping registers (for north-east England). Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 01/07/2011 00:31, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > This may be of no direct relevance to Susan's enquiry, but I turned to > the 1858 edition of Christie's Shipping Register online, link to this on > Mariners' at: > http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/Lloyds_on_line.html > > I wanted to check if her John Christie was still showing among > Sunderland shipowners by that time, but there appears to be no trace. > (In the light of Peter's subsequent reply of the abandoned RANGER being > taken into Dover, was the Christie given as master this same John, or > some other relative? As Susan has contemporaneous correspondence it > seems he [and the rest of the crew] may have been found, rescued, or > reached shore separately?) > > I was intrigued to note that this particular Register, which is of local > interest to me as I live just down the coast in Middlesbrough (UK), was > compiled by a John Christie but from an address in Newcastle (by 1858). > Just wondered who he actually was, as I do not see him listed otherwise > as having any shipping interest on the Tyne? Indeed, might he be the > same John Christie as Susan's relative? > > I am copying this onto the TEESMARITIME Yahoo! forum in case anyone in > this neck of the woods knows the answer. (I also append Peter's response > for their further information.) > > Ron Mapplebeck > **** > On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: >> I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the >> schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship >> dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the >> letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives >> from Sunderland, UK. >> >> I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >> . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of >> Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. >> Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? >> >> This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for >> the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm >> suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was >> this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would >> there only be one of these made? >> >> I welcome any information. >> Many thanks, >> >> Susan Enns >> Canada. > ***** > The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the 8th > September 1833: "The Late Gales. The Ranger schooner, Christie, > master, was > brought in this morning (Dover), having been discovered on the 2nd inst. > by the > smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5 miles from Calais, driving westwards > towards the > French coast. No person whatever was on board, and she had lost both > anchors, > and the pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become > of the > crew." > > Regards, > > PK > ***** FREE Animations for your email - by IncrediMail! 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Hi Ted This looks to be her most recent post on a Rootsweb list, some four months ago :- http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/bedford/2010-02/1266618812 Worth a try? Regards Gordon From: "Ted Finch" <mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk> To: <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 9:28 AM Subject: [MAR] Fw: sue given >Anyone have a current address for Sue Given please? >Ted >From: Anne, Alan & Samuel Berry >To: mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk >Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:28 AM >Subject: sue given >Ted >I notice that you have in the past being in contact with a Sue Given >researching the schooner >Saucy Lass, My Great grandfather owned her in New >Zealand before his death when it moved to Australia. I am having >difficulty contacting Sue. I would appreciate if you could pass my e-mail >address on to Sue so she can make contact. >Regards >Alan Berry

It seems the story of the RANGER fits into the "strange but true" category! Susan has confirmed (off-list) that the documentation she has confirms her RANGER sinking off Aberdeen on 1 September 1833, and this is very much supported by the commemorative glass fully detailed at: http://www.aberdeenships.com/related.asp?index=115108&shipid=100687 This leaves the following as being "strange but true" coincidences: Same ship name (RANGER), Same type of vessel (schooner), Same date of loss/abandonment (1 September 1833), Same port of registry (Sunderland - Peter found another item relative to the schooner at Dover), Owner/master (Christie - also a master mariner - as owner of the RANGER lost off Aberdeen, Christie as master of the RANGER abandoned off Calais). I suppose it might just be possible that the journalists reporting the Calais/Dover vessel got their ship particulars mixed up with the other RANGER through her loss arising at exactly the same time!? It would be of great interest if anyone could further fill out the details of both vessels. In the meantime it would still be of equal interest to know more about the John Christie who compiled the shipping registers (for north-east England). Ron Mapplebeck (UK) **** On 01/07/2011 00:31, Ron Mapplebeck wrote: > This may be of no direct relevance to Susan's enquiry, but I turned to > the 1858 edition of Christie's Shipping Register online, link to this on > Mariners' at: > http://www.mariners-l.co.uk/Lloyds_on_line.html > > I wanted to check if her John Christie was still showing among > Sunderland shipowners by that time, but there appears to be no trace. > (In the light of Peter's subsequent reply of the abandoned RANGER being > taken into Dover, was the Christie given as master this same John, or > some other relative? As Susan has contemporaneous correspondence it > seems he [and the rest of the crew] may have been found, rescued, or > reached shore separately?) > > I was intrigued to note that this particular Register, which is of local > interest to me as I live just down the coast in Middlesbrough (UK), was > compiled by a John Christie but from an address in Newcastle (by 1858). > Just wondered who he actually was, as I do not see him listed otherwise > as having any shipping interest on the Tyne? Indeed, might he be the > same John Christie as Susan's relative? > > I am copying this onto the TEESMARITIME Yahoo! forum in case anyone in > this neck of the woods knows the answer. (I also append Peter's response > for their further information.) > > Ron Mapplebeck > **** > On 30/06/2011 20:34, Susan Enns wrote: >> I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the >> schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship >> dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the >> letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives >> from Sunderland, UK. >> >> I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >> . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of >> Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. >> Would there be a Scottish newspaper account? >> >> This site also indicates that a commemorative 'coin' Rummer Glass for >> the schooner was made with the markings of J& B Christie. I'm >> suspecting these initials represent John and Barbara CHRISTIE. Was >> this common practice to manufacture commemorative glasses and would >> there only be one of these made? >> >> I welcome any information. >> Many thanks, >> >> Susan Enns >> Canada. > ***** > The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the 8th > September 1833: "The Late Gales. The Ranger schooner, Christie, > master, was > brought in this morning (Dover), having been discovered on the 2nd inst. > by the > smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5 miles from Calais, driving westwards > towards the > French coast. No person whatever was on board, and she had lost both > anchors, > and the pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become > of the > crew." > > Regards, > > PK > *****

Anyone have a current address for Sue Given please? Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne, Alan & Samuel Berry To: mariners-l@efinch90.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 4:28 AM Subject: sue given Ted I notice that you have in the past being in contact with a Sue Given researching the schooner Saucy Lass, My Great grandfather owned her in New Zealand before his death when it moved to Australia. I am having difficulty contacting Sue. I would appreciate if you could pass my e-mail address on to Sue so she can make contact. Regards Alan Berry -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3724 - Release Date: 06/24/11 18:34:00

Hello Susan,   May we know the exact wording of the information that leads you to believe that your RANGER sank off the coast of Aberdeen? Is it just this bit from the Aberdeen ship site? "Lost off Aberdeen 1st September 1833"   Well........ it's not unknown for museums to be wrong.     I've been to the Aberdeen ships site and had a look and then to the newspapers and I come to the same conclusion as Peter because:   1) From the entry on the Aberdeen site, (extract below) new sole owner John Christie was a master mariner of Sunderland. It was logical that he would both take command and transfer the registry.     16 February 1830 - Alexander Matthew, John Lumsden, James Brebner, Alexander Dalgarno, Robert Catto, Alexander Duthie the younger, William Maitland, William Catto and John Catto all of Aberdeen in the County of Aberdeen, merchants, William Reid of the same place, shipbuilder, and William Stewart, Advocate, only accepting Executor of the last will and testament of James Mess, late of the same place, merchant, deceased transferred by Bill of Sale date 15 February 1830 sixty four sixty fourth shares to John Christie of Sunderland near the sea in the County of Durham, Master Mariner. Shipbuilder NICOL REID Dimensions length 59 5/6' x breadth 18 3/6' x depth 10 9/12' Registered Tonnage: 84 ton   2) From: MARINE INTELLIGENCE . The Newcastle Courant etc (Newcastle-upon-Tyne, England), Saturday, August 31, 1833; Issue 8275   " ARRIVALS AT FOREIGN PORTS. from Newcastle. .....Ranger, Christie; ... Caen."   3) From: Multiple News Items . The Standard (London, England), Monday, September 02, 1833; Issue 1968.   "The Ranger, of Sunderland, has been abandoned near the Goodwin Sands."   4) From: SHIP NEWS . The Morning Post (London, England), Tuesday, September 03, 1833; Issue 19575   "DEAL, SEPT. 1.- ...FIVE P.M.- Another crew is just landed belonging to the Ranger, from Caen to Sunderland; the vessels were totally lost, and I fear, from the severity of the gale, many more have suffered."   5) From: Multiple News Items . The Standard (London, England), Wednesday, September 04, 1833; Issue 1970   "RAMSGATE, SEPT. 2.- ... The Ranger of Sunderland, reported as riding in a dangerous situation near the Goodwin Sands, is gone to pieces. Crew saved. Several anchors and chains have been picked up and landed here today."   6) From: THE LATE GALES . The Examiner (London, England), Sunday, September 8, 1833; Issue 1336. This is again the article that Peter gave you. The information in it tallies with what is in the attached snippetts #2-5.   Regards, Adi   --- On Thu, 6/30/11, Susan Enns <bellenns@rogers.com> wrote: Interesting but I'm quite sure this isn't the account I'm looking for.  The 'Ranger' I'm looking for,  sank off the coast of Aberdeen, Scotland. I appreciate your input. Susan. On 30-Jun-11, at 6:32 PM, Peter Klein wrote: > Hi Susan, > > The following report was printed in The Examiner (of London) for the  > 8th September 1833:  "The Late Gales.   The Ranger schooner,  > Christie, master, was brought in this morning (Dover), having been  > discovered on the 2nd inst. by the smack Endeavour, about 4 or 5  > miles from Calais, driving westwards towards the French coast.  No  > person whatever was on board, and she had lost both anchors, and the  > pumps were choked and useless. It is not known what has become of  > the crew." > > Regards, > > PK > > From: Susan Enns <bellenns@rogers.com> > To: MARINERS@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thursday, 30 June, 2011 20:34:03 > Subject: [MAR] The sinking of the 'Ranger' > > I'm looking for as much information as I can find regarding the > schooner 'Ranger'. I have a letter describing the sinking of the ship > dated Sept.1st, 1833 but no identification as to the author of the > letter. It came to me in a bundle of old letters written by relatives > from Sunderland, UK. > > I believe this schooner is the vessel described at http://www.aberdeenships.com/single.asp?index=100687 >   . At this site, it suggests the owner was John CHRISTIE of > Sunderland who I believe to be a relative. > Would there be a Scottish newspaper account?

Hi Gordon I took the liberty of giving your post a subject line, "posting" does not tell the reader very much One possible sighting Glasgow Herald (Glasgow, Scotland), Monday, April 28, 1845; Issue 4408. A Chartered Vessel At Glasgow - For Antigua, Direct. The fine A1 British built coppered Brig ROBINA, 130 tons register Walter SHANKS, Commander, has a great part of her cargo engaged, and will meet with immediate dispatch. Apply to N.R. HANDYSIDE 18 Gordon Street Glasgow 26th April 1845 Nivard Ovington in Cornwall (UK) > My g g grandfather was Captain Walter Shanks, born in Saltcoats, Scotland on > December 18, 1818. He was the son of a ship's carpenter and perhaps part > owner of a shipbuilding business at the Braes in Saltcoats. My understanding > is that Captain Shanks was a Master Mariner. I have only been able to find > one record of him from 1850 as Captain of the Brig Minerva bound from > Londonderry to Philadelphia. Captain Shanks apparently owned a small fleet > of ocean crossing vessels. He died on the Keswick Ridge in New Brunswick at > age 81 on September 19th, 1900. Can anyone help me find any other records of > Captain Shanks? > > Thank you > > Gordon Shank

I wonder if anyone can help me in my long time search for Captain William Mason? I wrote about him to Mariners several years ago, when I only knew that he was a Mariner, and at that time I thought he might be on the East India company routes, as his sons later became East India merchants. Since then, I have discovered that he had several other children born between 1828 and 1838, which rather precludes long sea voyages. I only know that he sailed out of Limehouse, and that all trace of him finished between the 1841 and 1851 censuses, by which time he was a master mariner, and serving as captain, revealed on his wifes grave as being the widow. He married in 1825 at Limehouse, but did not appear in the 1841 census, so I have no place of birth or any other information. Was Limehouse used for coastal trade round the UK that might provide the answer? Or could he have been on the West India trade routes ? I shall be very grateful for any suggestions or help. Greetings to all, Doreen Milligan.

Hi Colin, Thank`s for that info on SIMPATIA.It looks like the San Francisco museum collection has the wrong details on this ship.The photo is of a 3 masted barque so your ship is most probably the correct one. Pity it was not Dumbarton built, that is my main interest,i collect photos of ships built there. Kindest regards, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Boyd" <colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk> To: "Joe McMillan" <joemac@internode.on.net>; <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 7:22 PM Subject: RE: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA Morning Joe, Managed to find the following in 1894-95 Lloyds: SIMPATIA ex ANGELO PADRE, ex DEIVA Barque 711 tons 164.3 ft x 32.1 ft x 20.4 ft 1 deck Capt. Schiffano Built : A. Briasco Fu GB at Sestri Ponente in 1871 Ownwers : G. Dall'orso di And Registered at Spezia. Since 'simpatia' means friendship or community or together etc. I'm surprised that the name wasn't more common. There are a couple of entries in the New York Times web site but for some annoying reason I was unable to get the year to show. 'Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Captain Scotto arrived 42 days from Seville with mdse. Vessel to Funch, Edye & Co.' 'Wed. July 2nd. Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Capt. Diamonico arrived 120 days from Cagliari with salt. To Slocovitch & Co.' Hope this is the right vessel. Does the photograph show a barque? Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joe McMillan Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA Hi all, In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. Thank`s in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

My g g grandfather was Captain Walter Shanks, born in Saltcoats, Scotland on December 18, 1818. He was the son of a ship's carpenter and perhaps part owner of a shipbuilding business at the Braes in Saltcoats. My understanding is that Captain Shanks was a Master Mariner. I have only been able to find one record of him from 1850 as Captain of the Brig Minerva bound from Londonderry to Philadelphia. Captain Shanks apparently owned a small fleet of ocean crossing vessels. He died on the Keswick Ridge in New Brunswick at age 81 on September 19th, 1900. Can anyone help me find any other records of Captain Shanks? Thank you Gordon Shank

Morning Joe, Managed to find the following in 1894-95 Lloyds: SIMPATIA ex ANGELO PADRE, ex DEIVA Barque 711 tons 164.3 ft x 32.1 ft x 20.4 ft 1 deck Capt. Schiffano Built : A. Briasco Fu GB at Sestri Ponente in 1871 Ownwers : G. Dall'orso di And Registered at Spezia. Since 'simpatia' means friendship or community or together etc. I'm surprised that the name wasn't more common. There are a couple of entries in the New York Times web site but for some annoying reason I was unable to get the year to show. 'Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Captain Scotto arrived 42 days from Seville with mdse. Vessel to Funch, Edye & Co.' 'Wed. July 2nd. Bark SIMPATIA (Ital) Capt. Diamonico arrived 120 days from Cagliari with salt. To Slocovitch & Co.' Hope this is the right vessel. Does the photograph show a barque? Cheers Colin Colin Boyd Documentation Assistant Collections and Exhibitions Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums Tel: 0191 2772177 Fax: 0191 2302614 Email: colin.boyd@twmuseums.org.uk R ead Tyne & Wear Archives & Museums' new blog, and get involved with our social media, games and digital projects here - http://www.twmuseums.org.uk/engage/ Leader of the North East Regional Museums Hub Our mission is to help people determine their place in the world and define their identities, so enhancing their self-respect and respect for others. Find out more at: www.twmuseums.org.uk 2009 North East Public Sector Organisation of the year. v.1TWAM From: mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:mariners-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Joe McMillan Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA Hi all, In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. Thank`s in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify your IT department. All incoming and outgoing email are monitored for compliance with Tyne and Wear Museums email, Internet and security policy. This email has been swept by MIMEsweeper.

I don't think I've heard of this before so apologies if everyone else is already aware of it. I learnt today that the British Library are busy digitising a whole load of old newspapers, apparently quite separate to those available through Gale with which many of us are familiar. They are scanning 8000 pages a day, and pages are intended to be fully searchable. At this point there seems to be no date as to when the collection is likely to "Go live", except that it is expected to be Autumn 2011 and that they will launch with a million pages and expect to expand to four million within a couple of years. The project is in collaboration with findmypast, but I can find no mention on the website as to whether access will be free (as with the Australian Trove collection) or not. One suspects a subscription to findmypast will be required to repay what no doubt will be a considerable cost. As for coverage, they say they are planning to focus on events such as wars and particular geographical areas. This won't necessarily help our nautical or family history research much, at least at first (the cities they mention - Birmingham, Derby, Manchester, Nottingham, Norwich, Leeds and York, along with local titles from London boroughs - don't strike one as particularly nautical) and one hopes that they will be systematic about giving good coverage, but I guess they have to start somewhere; scanning 200-odd years of newspapers is a huge task. Hopefully it will grow to be an invaluable resource. See the website at www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk for further details, and to register to be notified of progress. Cheers Piers

Hi all, In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. Thank`s in advance, Joe McMillan, South Australia.

Hi Joe, The only Simpatia I can find in the registers is an Italian bargue, built 1874 at Sestria Ponente and owned by M. Pallezzo, Genoa. She still appears in the 1900 register registered in Italy. Saraca built 1877 by Birrell at Dumbarton, owned by McPherson, Glasgow. By 1892 she was French owned and registered in Nantes. No Saroca listed. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe McMillan" <joemac@internode.on.net> To: <Mariners-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA > > Hi all, > In the collection of the San Francisco Museum there is a > photograph of a sailing ship titled SIMPATIA.The notes with the photo > state that the ship was built by BIRRELL at Dumbarton in 1877 ex SAROCA. > I think that the former name should be SARACA built 1877 by > Birrell,Stenhouse & Co at Dumbarton but i can find no information as to > whether the SARACA became SIMPATIA. > The SARACA built by Birrell was renamed TERCERO in 1904 and was converted > to a steamer in 1918 and was wrecked in 1922. > Can anyone provide any info on the SIMPATIA. > Thank`s in advance, > Joe McMillan, > South Australia. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3738 - Release Date: 07/01/11 18:34:00

Hi Joe SARACA O.N 76797 never carried the name Simpatia. I can find only one Simpatia, built as Sirius by Russell & Co Port Glasgow, she was renamed Simpatia in 1932 (see Clyde Built Ships). Mick Mariners List ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe McMillan To: Mariners-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 9:44 AM Subject: [MAR] Sailing ship SIMPATIA

Hi all, Can anyone help with info on our seafaring ancestors... 1838 - Ninian Stewart (Stuart) Fisheries Officer of Grobsness Delting, North Shetland died age 43yrs(assumed drowned/fishing vessel sunk) - six years after his son was born. He was one of three Fisheries Officers that lived in "Grobsness Haa". Other fisheries officers that lived in "Grobsness Haa" were - John Couper, Robert Cowie. "Grobsness Haa" was built in 1800 for George Barron, merchant. I can imagine being a fisheries officer in and around the North Sea and the Norwegian Sea would be pretty risky. 1879 - Ninian's son Robert Stewart (Stuart) aka Robert Charles aka Robert Bannatyne Stewart..born 1832 "Grobsness Haa", Delting, Nth Shetland - Sea Captain/Master Mariner - died age 47 on the 1st Nov 1879 at or off New Haven, Connecticut (presumed drowned/shipwreck). His wife Mary died 8 yrs beforehand, his son James would have been 15 yrs of age. 1862 he married 1862 Mary Kennedy Allan in London 1864 his son James Nicholson Stewart born Limehouse London (shipping port) 1871 his wife Mary died in Bow Bethnal Green (perhaps very impoverished?) Thank you Noni Brown

Jeff, Wingrove was a 2,806 ton cargo steamer, built 1896 by Short Bros, Sunderland for P. W. Richardson, London. 1901 sold to Talbot SS Co, London, 1906 transferred to Egypt & Levant SS Co, London.. On 18th Dec.1911 she sailed from Plymouth for Port Said with a cargo of coal and went missing. Coal cargos were liable to spontaneous combustion, or the ship was possibly lost in bad weather. Most ships were not equipped with radio at this time. regards Ted ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Coleman" <Jeff.Coleman@ntlworld.com> To: "Mariners List" <MARINERS@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: [MAR] Wingrove 105879 > > Can anyone tell me anything about this ship, supposed lost late 1911 or > early 1912? > > Was she sailing from Cardiff? > > Jeff > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > MARINERS-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.449 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3738 - Release Date: 07/01/11 18:34:00

Can anyone tell me anything about this ship, supposed lost late 1911 or early 1912? Was she sailing from Cardiff? Jeff

I do not have too much information about my father, but I know he was on a ship hit by a torpedo and was rescued at sea in 1941-1943. I do not know the name of the ship he was on or the exact dates. All I know is that he ended up in the San Francisco California in the Mare Island, San Francisco, California area. The VetRecs in the USA do not have a record of him I was informed. Do you know of any way I may research who he worked for and/or what ships he may have been aboard during WWII? The U.S. Merchant Marine does not have a record of him, so I think he worked for a company? I do not know where to start looking for any info on him. His name was Anthony J. Terracino, born 9/30/1921, and was from Brooklyn, N.Y. Thanks very much. Laura Laura

There is a full account of the rescue at http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:P031whXWFP4J:http://www.ss346.com/PDFs/ImhofRescue1961.pdf Thanks P, J and Ted that was an amazing story. Mick Mariners List